Where is our dps spec?

Carighan.6758 · November 6, 2017

It's right over there on the Elementalist, Warrior or Ranger forum. Rerolling is easy, and frankly if 5 years down the line you expect the development cadence to randomly change you'll end up being disappointed. Enjoy what is there. Or don't, but I doubt it'll change much.

Belishine.7493 · November 6, 2017

i have noticed that you think that alot you think that the mes is not in a pve dps area i can say you keep forgeting every time you go in mirage clock your clones do to and do the ambush attack witch greatly increases the overall dps of mes by a lot now yes i wish i could dodge one more time to get a big chain going of ambush but you forget that would make mes op even more then they are right now in wvw and spvp so i think they are ok for right now.

musu.9205 · November 6, 2017

@Belishine.7493 said:i have noticed that you think that alot you think that the mes is not in a pve dps area i can say you keep forgeting every time you go in mirage clock your clones do to and do the ambush attack witch greatly increases the overall dps of mes by a lot now yes i wish i could dodge one more time to get a big chain going of ambush but you forget that would make mes op even more then they are right now in wvw and spvp so i think they are ok for right now.

actually its not overall increase dps . since you have to keep 3 clones up to begin with which cost a lot of your dps since you cant have phant then .and would make mes op even more for what ?pve its not even good for most of instance content .not viable for fractalpvp , sure everyone and otheir mother used that HI trait instead EM totally .

can you clueless people stop saying stuff before you ever bother to check wiki ?like after 5 years , its pretty tiresome that complaint to mes has been so stupid at so many level after 5 years . like for real .

musu.9205 · November 6, 2017

@takatsu.9416 said:mirage in whatever pve, wvw, PvP, is just an enhancement for survivability, mobility and a bit of ambush bonus and utility, not really setting us up for DPS. Our one shot 30k wvw pvp power bursts is based on old stuff - just that we can evade and survive better while doing high risk offensive stuff like that. Pve 30k Condi rotations is possibly respectable but not the biggest addition. Mirage is not designed as our DPS spec. However one point does stand in its favour and that's based on the mesmer specialties of avoiding damage while dealing damage. So you can argue other specs might not be as successful staying on consistent dps if they have to evade or get out of the way, while a mirage may contribute to DPS uninterrupted and stopping less

until you realize that you can't really cast anything otherwise you lose another mechanic of mirage : ambush .so the selling point of casting while dodging is a lie since all mirage power is still balanced around we have ambush + we can cast while dodge which can't happen at same time . so whatever .

Refia Montes.3205 · November 6, 2017

It's here. Half baked and revolves around the same boring gameplay.

musu.9205 · November 6, 2017

@Refia Montes.3205 said:It's here. Half baked and revolves around the same boring gameplay.

behind every other dps class . at least we kinda win over poor necro . that's something

Abelisk.4527 · November 6, 2017

All Mesmer needs is a single buff to make it work very well.

I remember when Scepter/Warhorn Tempest was meta in raids, but when Phoenix was nerfed it was out of the game. What I think needs to happen is a Phantasm rework. Bullet system in place, where you can activate the Phantasm by simply using up its charge. It doesn't count as an illusion. This way you would be able to shatter while maintaining Phantasms.

Levetty.1279 · November 6, 2017

@musu.9205 said:
@Refia Montes.3205 said:It's here. Half baked and revolves around the same boring gameplay.

behind every other dps class . at least we kinda win over poor necro . that's something

Take that shit back to reddit.

Necros have been doing this shit since they weren't in speed clear of dungeons (neither were 2 - 4 other classes depending on what point in life the game was but that didn't bother Necros) and all its ever been is annoying. They are top tier in every other part of the game, the class to carry through dungeons and fractals, WvW tactics have pretty much revolved around them for years and unlike Mirage they got an actual elite spec in PoF with new mechanics and new ways to play but because they have no raid build they fucking cry all over the place and insert themselves into every other topic whether its talking about other class weaknesses or QoL requests like build templates. Fuck off.

musu.9205 · November 7, 2017

@Levetty.1279 said:
@musu.9205 said:
@"Refia Montes.3205" said:It's here. Half baked and revolves around the same boring gameplay.

behind every other dps class . at least we kinda win over poor necro . that's something

Take that kitten back to reddit.

Necros have been doing this kitten since they weren't in speed clear of dungeons (neither were 2 - 4 other classes depending on what point in life the game was but that didn't bother Necros) and all its ever been is annoying. They are top tier in every other part of the game, the class to carry through dungeons and fractals, WvW tactics have pretty much revolved around them for years and unlike Mirage they got an actual elite spec in PoF with new mechanics and new ways to play but because they have no raid build they kitten cry all over the place and insert themselves into every other topic whether its talking about other class weaknesses or QoL requests like build templates. kitten off.

well the comment i replied to is certainly talking about raid dps . so yeah necro is/was and likely will be bad there .and they are not top tier of pvp for half of the time .but yeah they pretty much defined wvw meta .but thing is engi and mes are most broken class in this game also least played (since they don't fit into any traditional class type tho mesmer can be considered as summoner .we can always expect worst . like anet often "BUFF" those two classes with actual nerf .

keyokku.5412 · November 7, 2017

@musu.9205 said:
until you realize that you can't really cast anything otherwise you lose another mechanic of mirage : ambush .so the selling point of casting while dodging is a lie since all mirage power is still balanced around we have ambush + we can cast while dodge which can't happen at same time . so whatever .

You don't have to do the ambush. U can and should remove the autocast on the autoattack. You can do your full rotation and use the evade solely while doing other skills just time the rotations right. I know I'm not a raid rotation player but in wvw or PvP I'm evading while casting all my other attacks, healing, stomping, etc. I don't see why you can't evade while on other parts of your rotation and avoid the ambush. Ambush isn't a DPS increase anyway according to tests and calculations, so you can take it off autocast and not do it.

Refia Montes.3205 · November 7, 2017

@takatsu.9416 said:
@musu.9205 said:
until you realize that you can't really cast anything otherwise you lose another mechanic of mirage : ambush .so the selling point of casting while dodging is a lie since all mirage power is still balanced around we have ambush + we can cast while dodge which can't happen at same time . so whatever .

You don't have to do the ambush. U can and should remove the autocast on the autoattack. You can do your full rotation and use the evade solely while doing other skills just time the rotations right. I know I'm not a raid rotation player but in wvw or PvP I'm evading while casting all my other attacks, healing, stomping, etc. I don't see why you can't evade while on other parts of your rotation and avoid the ambush. Ambush isn't a DPS increase anyway according to tests and calculations, so you can take it off autocast and not do it.

It is a DPS increase, but make sure to time it well, just after the 3rd auto. It's stronger than the first two attacks due to hitting 2 times per axe, and there are 3 axes (cause it's traited).

keyokku.5412 · November 7, 2017

@Refia Montes.3205 said:
@takatsu.9416 said:
@musu.9205 said:
until you realize that you can't really cast anything otherwise you lose another mechanic of mirage : ambush .so the selling point of casting while dodging is a lie since all mirage power is still balanced around we have ambush + we can cast while dodge which can't happen at same time . so whatever .

You don't have to do the ambush. U can and should remove the autocast on the autoattack. You can do your full rotation and use the evade solely while doing other skills just time the rotations right. I know I'm not a raid rotation player but in wvw or PvP I'm evading while casting all my other attacks, healing, stomping, etc. I don't see why you can't evade while on other parts of your rotation and avoid the ambush. Ambush isn't a DPS increase anyway according to tests and calculations, so you can take it off autocast and not do it.

It is a DPS increase, but make sure to time it well, just after the 3rd auto. It's stronger than the first two attacks due to hitting 2 times per axe, and there are 3 axes (cause it's traited).

Sorry that's right I was still thinking of the sword remnant from chrono meta, and for some reason I remember alot of talk about it, axes use that ambush

draxynnic.3719 · November 7, 2017

@Abelisk.4527 said:All Mesmer needs is a single buff to make it work very well.
I remember when Scepter/Warhorn Tempest was meta in raids, but when Phoenix was nerfed it was out of the game. What I think needs to happen is a Phantasm rework. Bullet system in place, where you can activate the Phantasm by simply using up its charge. It doesn't count as an illusion. This way you would be able to shatter while maintaining Phantasms.

So, kinda like what they did with guardian spirit weapons?

I'd... rather not, to be honest, although it could be done as an elite specialisation's "thing".

musu.9205 · November 7, 2017

@takatsu.9416 said:
@musu.9205 said:
until you realize that you can't really cast anything otherwise you lose another mechanic of mirage : ambush .so the selling point of casting while dodging is a lie since all mirage power is still balanced around we have ambush + we can cast while dodge which can't happen at same time . so whatever .

You don't have to do the ambush. U can and should remove the autocast on the autoattack. You can do your full rotation and use the evade solely while doing other skills just time the rotations right. I know I'm not a raid rotation player but in wvw or PvP I'm evading while casting all my other attacks, healing, stomping, etc. I don't see why you can't evade while on other parts of your rotation and avoid the ambush. Ambush isn't a DPS increase anyway according to tests and calculations, so you can take it off autocast and not do it.

well i was talking about pve ofc . casting while evading is a huge advantage in pvp.but right now in pve . it just counters our ambush attack . and like someone else in this thread said ambush on axe is a dps increase .also all of ambush need some adjusts at least . and many need direct buff like gs / scepter .once that's done (doubtfully but well ) , we will be back to this problem .

btw , its annoying that i found when i tried to use dodge while stomp with dodge key + movement key , often sword ambush will fire off and cancel the stomp . now i just click endure bar to dodge while stomping , this bug never happened again.

OriOri.8724 · November 7, 2017

@draxynnic.3719 said:
@Abelisk.4527 said:All Mesmer needs is a single buff to make it work very well.
I remember when Scepter/Warhorn Tempest was meta in raids, but when Phoenix was nerfed it was out of the game. What I think needs to happen is a Phantasm rework. Bullet system in place, where you can activate the Phantasm by simply using up its charge. It doesn't count as an illusion. This way you would be able to shatter while maintaining Phantasms.

So, kinda like what they did with guardian spirit weapons?

I'd... rather not, to be honest, although it could be done as an elite specialisation's "thing".

The bigger problem with his suggestion (personal taste for it aside) is that its neither a single buff nor an easy one. Most of core mesmer would have to be redesigned to fit the new phantasms, and due to the extensive reworks, that means that chrono would also have to be redone, and potentially mirage as well (even though it needs to be redone partially anyway). Fundamentally changing phantasms like that, to be done well, could necessitate changing all of core mesmer, and up to 7 traitlines with it. That's just not something I expect to ever see in GW2 unless ANet stops producing more elite specs and can dedicate their balance trio to doing the work.

Cwnannwn.7681 · November 8, 2017

Mirage and Core are already DPS. Core Power Mesmer has an incredibly comfy, low effort rotation and hits the 30ks just fine. Assassin gear, sigils of air and force (the qtfy build going zerk/acc is a misunderstanding of how mesmer works imo), and you're pretty set.

Levetty.1279 · November 8, 2017

@Cwnannwn.7681 said:Mirage and Core are already DPS. Core Power Mesmer has an incredibly comfy, low effort rotation and hits the 30ks just fine. Assassin gear, sigils of air and force (the qtfy build going zerk/acc is a misunderstanding of how mesmer works imo), and you're pretty set.