dontlook.1823 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Here is the rotation I made up just for daggers. For those that don't know CnD's build uses sword in the other main hand. I wanted to make one with just the dagger because I like the flow of it. This is the link to the Sword variation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Seems like it's doing good numbers in PvE at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, mortrialus.3062 said: Seems like it's doing good numbers in PvE at least. This game's PvE is brain dead easy this is not an accomplishment anyone can succeed in PvE and you don't even need to know how to play. Edited August 18, 2021 by Genesis.5169 2 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decease.3215 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Dont be fool by this dps.. This elite only work on target that dont move.. In reality you wont do nearly as much damage and reflect will be a mesmer killer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha.1308 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Genesis.5169 said: This game's PvE is brain dead easy this is not an accomplishment anyone can succeed in PvE and you don't even need to know how to play. say it 10x more for the devs in the back the only pve that needs to be thought about in terms of balance at this point is raids, and even then it's beyond questionable to design class mechanics around smacking a boss not trying to belittle pve players, but it certainly doesn't need to be a focus point whatsoever in terms of the entirety of class mechanics when simple coefficient tweaks fixes basically any pve imbalance if something doesn't work in pvp, there's a huge issue if something doesn't work in pve, you literally just tweak numbers, because it's an AI you're fighting, and they aren't going to care if they get hit with 30k damage in one swing Edited August 18, 2021 by Alpha.1308 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said: say it 10x more for the devs in the back the only pve that needs to be thought about in terms of balance at this point is raids, and even then it's beyond questionable to design class mechanics around smacking a boss not trying to belittle pve players, but it certainly doesn't need to be a focus point whatsoever in terms of the entirety of class mechanics when simple coefficient tweaks fixes basically any pve imbalance if something doesn't work in pvp, there's a huge issue if something doesn't work in pve, you literally just tweak numbers, because it's an AI you're fighting, and they aren't going to care if they get hit with 30k damage in one swing PvP is even more of a joke considering it will never be balanced because there is no such thing as a match between people of equal skill. There will never be an even encounter. There will always be a delta in player skill, which means someone will always be crying they lost a 1v1 or a skirmish because of a class imbalance. And spare me about braindead gimmicks when you can permastealth in WvW and disengage at will on some classes while being uncatchable or having classes overloaded with immunities and immunity procs. Edited August 18, 2021 by Zenith.7301 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha.1308 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zenith.7301 said: PvP is even more of a joke w.a.t. imagine thinking pvp could be worse than pushing a group of enemies into a wall and smacking them raids are the only pve in this game offering any form of difficulty, and even then it's still a memory game of "remember the patterns" i still remember watching a video of a dude multi boxing and actually beating a raid ahahahhahaa when you can 5 box this game and win a spvp match or 10+ box and win a wvw engage, lemme know 1 hour ago, Zenith.7301 said: someone will always be crying they lost a 1v1 or a skirmish because of a class imbalance. 1 hour ago, Zenith.7301 said: braindead gimmicks when you can permastealth in WvW and disengage at will on some classes while being uncatchable or having classes overloaded with immunities and immunity procs. uhm m.e.g.a.y.i.k.e.s. holy projection Edited August 18, 2021 by Alpha.1308 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, Alpha.1308 said: w.a.t. imagine thinking pvp could be worse than pushing a group of enemies into a wall and smacking them raids are the only pve in this game offering any form of difficulty, and even then it's still a memory game of "remember the patterns" i still remember watching a video of a dude multi boxing and actually beating a raid ahahahhahaa when you can 5 box this game and win a spvp match or 10+ box and win a wvw engage, lemme know uhm m.e.g.a.y.i.k.e.s. holy projection Nobody pushes enemies into a wall. 2016 and it's FGS memes are long over. Rest of your mean girl act doesn't even merit a response. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha.1308 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Zenith.7301 said: Rest of your mean girl act doesn't even merit a response. 2 hours ago, Zenith.7301 said: And spare me about braindead gimmicks when you can permastealth in WvW and disengage at will on some classes while being uncatchable or having classes overloaded with immunities and immunity procs. again, holy projection don't start off by sounding childish if you can't handle a little pushback using logic and literal video evidence and i'm sorry you dislike facts, but FGS meme still very much applies to everything that isn't raids and even raids..... some dude on reddit actually posted heatmaps of raid mobility, over like 1000 people or something??? they all did the e.x.a.c.t.s.a.m.e.t.h.i.n.g. i looked it up for you so you don't have to, here's more video evidence, you're welcome still waiting for you to multibox in spvp/wvw now i'll be waiting for the spvp/wvw heatmaps you got otherwise good luck trying to prove to anyone that pvp is somehow more of a joke than the pve in this game Edited August 18, 2021 by Alpha.1308 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontlook.1823 Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) This discussion took an interesting turn, lol? Edited August 19, 2021 by dontlook.1823 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha.1308 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, dontlook.1823 said: This discussion took an interesting turn, lol? did it, though? this is what happens when devs forsake an entire game mode for a class design you posted a target golem dummy numbers, which is seemingly what the devs do when designing their classes someone mentioned pve numbers looking good someone else mentioned pve is a joke discussion proceeded to continue on as to why pve is a joke, and why your videos don't actually solve much nothing against you, don't get me wrong but it seems typical for forums to discuss actual issues and be frustrated about how much effort you put into this for it to be more or less useless again, nothing against you, it's appreciated that you're just trying to figure rotations out but it's also extremely disheartening to think about how it hardly matters, especially if they HOPEFULLY change how this god-awful thing works, which, is also highly unlikely, knowing them but, you know the more discussions that turn into this, the better, in all honesty Edited August 19, 2021 by Alpha.1308 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Alpha.1308 said: did it, though? this is what happens when devs forsake an entire game mode for a class design you posted a target golem dummy numbers, which is seemingly what the devs do when designing their classes someone mentioned pve numbers looking good someone else mentioned pve is a joke discussion proceeded to continue on as to why pve is a joke, and why your videos don't actually solve much nothing against you, don't get me wrong but it seems typical for forums to discuss actual issues and be frustrated about how much effort you put into this for it to be more or less useless again, nothing against you, it's appreciated that you're just trying to figure rotations out but it's also extremely disheartening to think about how it hardly matters, especially if they HOPEFULLY change how this god-awful thing works, which, is also highly unlikely, knowing them but, you know the more discussions that turn into this, the better, in all honesty They didn't design Virtuoso to be good at PvE. They designed it to be bad at PvP and then gave it damage numbers good enough in PvE to point at it and go 'look it does something'. Once again its PvP screwing over Mesmer. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Levetty.1279 said: They didn't design Virtuoso to be good at PvE. They designed it to be bad at PvP and then gave it damage numbers good enough in PvE to point at it and go 'look it does something'. Once again its PvP screwing over Mesmer. Mistakes were made. Edited August 19, 2021 by Genesis.5169 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genesis.5169 said: For real if you don't pvp you should stop posting. How many spvp games you have and whats your wvw rank im curious. How old are you? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Levetty.1279 said: How old are you? Even more mistakes. Edited August 19, 2021 by Genesis.5169 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) That is over with. Edited August 19, 2021 by Levetty.1279 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis.5169 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Levetty.1279 said: You have made several posts saying that Virtuso is bad at PvP and now want to start an argument because I have also said it. You certainly don't act older then me. Actually your right i misread your post sorry. I'm going to edit the previous posts. Early morning, way to used to having to fight mesmer hate again sorry. Edited August 19, 2021 by Genesis.5169 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genesis.5169 said: Actually your right i misread your post sorry. I'm going to edit the previous posts. Early morning, No worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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