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  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Camdal.6197 said:

    @Talindra.4958 said:
    quite a bad link for FoW with DL. DL is German speaking. how am i going to understand german.... i only know guten tag..

    It's not the first time FoW's been linked with german speaking server.

    Linguistically speaking it mostly isn't a problem, it's not as if they can't ping objects in chat, if trying to figure out what it actually says is too difficult.

    Though it does generate some interesting discussions about what's going on, on occation.

    well will see what happen anyway. its been 6 months we were linked with the same server.. so this is a change

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  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    @Deniara Devious.3948 said:
    Arenanet's "quality" metrics consider that Desolation [Europe] is full status server without a need for link. At reset, we have a queue at 1 map, other maps of course outnumbered and no queue.

    And yet, Deso ist still 1st in the current matchup (until now) against two other linked-servers and still has (often) big blobs.
    So, why are you complaining?

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  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    Well all of kain just trans to DR I bet. YB had a nice t1 moment now back to the basement. I think they chose deso and gand as no links just because they would least likely entirely desert and transfer off like all the babies from wsr and Dzag making t5 an embarrassment.

    No Ser, us KN originals all are happy to see the bandwagoners leave.

    We really just want links gone, if they are not going to give Alliances. We have always been ok playing where we settle. Course, we know neither of those will happen cause all those bandwagoners that just jumped from KN to DR just gave ANet like $4-5000 USD this week, and they will not give up that steady income from WvW as long as people are dumb enough to keep doing it.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    @Mlatic.8925 said:
    Why is t5 on EU still a thing? It is so obvious that there is not enough people for it. They even deleted it for one relink and it is beyond my understanding why they reintroduced it back in next relink.
    Kind of feel like they are trying to destroy last few wvw server communities.

    I want to preface this by saying that the wall of text to follow is not a response to Mlatic, it's more of a commentary to this whole thread in general. His qoutes just makes for a good starting point.

    I'm in no way, shape or form defending the linking system. It was not built to remain in 2020 and it should not remain in 2020. However, how the system is likely to work should be commonly known today. They are probably just going by simple metrics. The system likely has a bottom line that defines whether a player should count as adding to a server's WvW population or not.

    The system is also updating those populations at specific dates, presumtively manually so no automation has been built into the existing system, meaning that building something like that is likely better done in a whole system recode than trying to shoehorn it into the linking system. Is that bad? Sure, but at least we know how it works, at least we can understand it and at least we can see that there's no point writing automation for Linking when they are writing automation for Alliances. That is one way of describing what Alliances are - it's where they are writing the automation.

    So what happened with T4/T5 is likely that the defined playerbase totals had shrunk under a T5 need. The pandemic then made more people play, it also made people play more so more players likely pushed above the WvW threshold and everyone being locked in over the summer peaked it. It's not unique for computer games: the gardening and home decoration markets have boomed, guitars are sold out all over the world etc. It is very likely that these metrics are the reason that EU pinged from five tiers down to four tiers and up to five tiers again over the spring of 2020.

    This also impacts different servers differently. Again, I am not defending the system, I am merely explaining the system. Servers that used to be big PvX hubs back in 2014 before the Megaserver system will still have their players count towards the WvW population if they play above the threshhold. As a result, old large hubs likely sees as a disparate rise and decline in WvW populations any time something floods the mode with attention. These servers are impacted more by players getting more time on their hands and they are also impacted more by changes that makes WvW temporarily more appealing to players who do not usually play it enough to count towards their WvW population. So, if ArenaNet decides to drop the Sublime armor skin from 2000 wxp to 500 wxp those servers may see a short, unstable and/or fake spike in population.

    Servers like Gandara and Desolation used to be old PvX hubs. Them getting hit more frequently by the system is as such not surprising. It isn't fair, it isn't good but it also isn't surprising. The same goes for if a server has a large but rather casual WvW community as well. That means they have a larger amount of players who count towards their population but may be providing less coverage in hours played. That is because the system is more likely based on a threshhold than on an average. I have no source right now, but I also have a faint recollection that I read about this being the case a long time ago.

    Whether a server has a big population or not is likely to be somewhere in the middle between what impressions people on it versus people who come up against it has. The truth is likely best illustrated by saying that no servers are strong enough to be without links (because coverage still heavily impacts matchups). That just further underlines that the system is bad. At the same time, things are not as simple as looking at numbers alone because organized numbers are important. If a server declines to a low level of organisation it will feel more empty than it is. If a server climbs to a high level of organisation it will feel more populated than it is. For example, any server that sees a prime with queues on two maps and two empty maps has a population to cover all maps, they just do not have the organisation to cover all maps. Timezone coverage is a different issue, but for me that is more so a scoring imbalance issue than population imbalance issue or content-creation issue. A game shouldn't have regions and timezone coverage design, in fact for the past 20 years MMO's have known to avoid or balance timezone coverage design. This is likely a release placeholder that never got done. There are many easy ways to fix it.

    This makes the overall decline in organisation a rather important factor next to any decline in population. In my oppinion it is a more important factor because a developer has more control over that than direct player numbers and it is also a factor that will impact players numbers because players will start playing or stop playing depending on content created by player communities. I don't know if GW2 WvW suffers from a sharp decline of players. However, I do know that GW2 WvW suffers from a sharp decline of organisation and I know that it is a factor that makes players quit and stops players from (re-) starting. That is something Anet can do something about, if they wanted to.

    So, are Anet killing WvW? Yes, they are, but not in such direct or underhanded ways. Those are just how the system works and even if a system is bad it is up to us to be better or worse at gaming the system. The interesting bit is what is indirect. It is the same old reason as ever, it's the overall lack of attention and that they never deliver on fixing the things every experienced player know to be the problem. That we have servers, that they are full and that our matchup system does not work as it is supposed to be is what is "killing" WvW. Those are the things that ruin our tools to organize ourselves and make communities that can create content. Those two pieces of critique can exist at the same time, the system can be bad and we can be bad at using the system at the same time. Neither claim makes the other invalid.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Talindra.4958 said:
    the social component is the biggest part in wvw. and unable to communicate takes away that part.. and it is why it ruin the game for many when it comes to chicken try to speak with duck esp in battle .. especially servers that contain many wvw orientated guilds .. we have few guilds shift to other server already. .. these small guilds like us.. rely on map chat to scout for us.. when looking for fight.. and the map chat is in german..

    I am on english/german linked servers for a long time. Its not such a big problem. You can ping the objectives in chat, they are shown in the local language, "25+" does mean the same in english and german, directions are north/nord, east/ost, south/süd, west/west, left/links, right/rechts, back/zurück and the enemy colors are red/rot, green/grün and blue/blau.

    Sure, there is more info for scouting, but it is not hard to learn. Maybe your server can add some translation-info on your community-page/TS3/Discord.

    After a little training it is even possible to make a voice-comm lead dual-language in german/english and if the comm (or another player in voice-chat) does not now the correct translation, there will always be helpful players to translate.

    And for the social component: You can learn quit fast how to flame in other languages. B)

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  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Talindra.4958 said:
    the social component is the biggest part in wvw. and unable to communicate takes away that part.. and it is why it ruin the game for many when it comes to chicken try to speak with duck esp in battle .. especially servers that contain many wvw orientated guilds .. we have few guilds shift to other server already. .. these small guilds like us.. rely on map chat to scout for us.. when looking for fight.. and the map chat is in german..

    I am on english/german linked servers for a long time. Its not such a big problem. You can ping the objectives in chat, they are shown in the local language, "25+" does mean the same in english and german, directions are north/nord, east/ost, south/süd, west/west, left/links, right/rechts, back/zurück and the enemy colors are red/rot, green/grün and blue/blau.

    Sure, there is more info for scouting, but it is not hard to learn. Maybe your server can add some translation-info on your community-page/TS3/Discord.

    After a little training it is even possible to make a voice-comm lead dual-language in german/english and if the comm (or another player in voice-chat) does not now the correct translation, there will always be helpful players to translate.

    And for the social component: You can learn quit fast how to flame in other languages. B)

    yeah we will try first and see what happen :)
    I know the german can speak better English than I am :p

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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @WindBlade.8749 said:
    Fort Ranik (FR), Ring of Fire (EN)
    Seriously, so you give a free server transfert for all thoses frenchy that can't speak english to ?

    End of the week there will be no EN left on Fort Ranik I would guess. So you can use any language you like to speak to yourself till next relink.

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    seems Aurora Glade (EN), Ruins of Surmia (EN) is a great Combo. From what i heared, they are using bugs/exploits to cap towers and keeps on the red border all the time ^^

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    Well all of kain just trans to DR I bet. YB had a nice t1 moment now back to the basement. I think they chose deso and gand as no links just because they would least likely entirely desert and transfer off like all the babies from wsr and Dzag making t5 an embarrassment.

    No Ser, us KN originals all are happy to see the bandwagoners leave.

    We really just want links gone, if they are not going to give Alliances. We have always been ok playing where we settle. Course, we know neither of those will happen cause all those bandwagoners that just jumped from KN to DR just gave ANet like $4-5000 USD this week, and they will not give up that steady income from WvW as long as people are dumb enough to keep doing it.

    Oh yeah I didn't mean og kain players. It's just kain went from med pop forever to vh so I knew the bg got a bandwagon to the link. Now relinks base off kain at vh when it'll probably drop back to med pop and that just screws your whole yb/kain link as you won't have the numbers

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Halbarz.3854Halbarz.3854 Member ✭✭✭

    This relink is rather sad, might as well skip it.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Deniara Devious.3948 said:
    Arenanet's "quality" metrics consider that Desolation [Europe] is full status server without a need for link. At reset, we have a queue at 1 map, other maps of course outnumbered and no queue.

    And yet, Deso ist still 1st in the current matchup (until now) against two other linked-servers and still has (often) big blobs.
    So, why are you complaining?

    It's been only one night in T5, against more populated servers over a one week period.

    We don't have that much population left, nevermind Guilds on here to sustain our PPT or PPK.

    We might be more active due to the Pandemic, but most of the time we lack the population by being a solo Server and also we lack the Guilds to fight most Servers; which have so many more Prime Time guilds atm.

    Meanwhile Whiteside Ranik just mass migrated back to WSR, only because RoF was too dead to carry them out of T5, but people will have an excuse for this broken Linking system and what the players do to abuse how the system works currenctly.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jilora.9524 said:

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    Well all of kain just trans to DR I bet. YB had a nice t1 moment now back to the basement. I think they chose deso and gand as no links just because they would least likely entirely desert and transfer off like all the babies from wsr and Dzag making t5 an embarrassment.

    No Ser, us KN originals all are happy to see the bandwagoners leave.

    We really just want links gone, if they are not going to give Alliances. We have always been ok playing where we settle. Course, we know neither of those will happen cause all those bandwagoners that just jumped from KN to DR just gave ANet like $4-5000 USD this week, and they will not give up that steady income from WvW as long as people are dumb enough to keep doing it.

    Oh yeah I didn't mean og kain players. It's just kain went from med pop forever to vh so I knew the bg got a bandwagon to the link. Now relinks base off kain at vh when it'll probably drop back to med pop and that just screws your whole yb/kain link as you won't have the numbers

    Indeed Bruddha, but like your sig says, we know the drill now. For right now though, night of resent we were kicking a 4.0 KD ratio, which was suprising, but than again, we are so used to fighting outnumbered we call it the KN Boon.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    @phreeak.1023 said:
    seems Aurora Glade (EN), Ruins of Surmia (EN) is a great Combo. From what i heared, they are using bugs/exploits to cap towers and keeps on the red border all the time ^^

    What happen there? xD its weekend tho.. so the activity might slow down during weekdays. A few fow fighter guilds moved to RoS.. and they are nice people btw.

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  • That we have servers, that they are full and that our matchup system does not work as it is supposed to be is what is "killing" WvW. Those are the things that ruin our tools to organize ourselves and make communities that can create content. Those two pieces of critique can exist at the same time, the system can be bad and we can be bad at using the system at the same time. Neither claim makes the other invalid.

    Preach, brother.

  • @MindTricked.4283 said:

    @Jilora.9524 said:
    Well all of kain just trans to DR I bet. YB had a nice t1 moment now back to the basement. I think they chose deso and gand as no links just because they would least likely entirely desert and transfer off like all the babies from wsr and Dzag making t5 an embarrassment.

    Yeah, YB does MUCH better as a link than a host. We seem to be too fair-weather - we start in the basement, and our pop is relatively-low, to the point that we end up as a link, we rise in the ranks, and all the fair-weather types show up to push our metrics back up to Host-level. Re-link, we crash to the bottom as a host, people vanish, and we suffer again. The same cycle has repeated itself all year.

    Many of us are glad that we're not hosting ET again (and vice versa). Aside from a handful of guilds, we seem to have a LOT of problems working towards a common goal. Now, if Kaineng decides to bolt, well... shrugs.

    at least ET has some players and guild, and what about kng ? they have 50 players at most and 2 or 3 small guilds, i really don't know how the hell kng is veryhigh, but lets continue, this link between YB and kng is a joke, just look our activit this week, it is the worst of all servers we are even worse in activit then SoS that run a ghost timezone like ocx/sea.

  • @CrimsonNeonite.1048 said:
    More guilds moving to servers who are already stacked with guilds, is not good for the game mode either, but the current Linking System and Population limitations allows it.

    Now we have Fort Ranik/RoF will lack population unless it gets repopulated, while Desolation and Gandara might stay locked for a long while, even though people are actively trying to keep and rebuild our communities on these servers, with the limited population we have.

    So, either of us will end up moving between T5 and T4, with no way for players or guilds to transfer in to replace that lost population, that is not accounted for, with or without a link.

    It is amazing how one server with its bandwagoners i am looking at you WSRanik/Ridge can screw up everything for everyone else. Being RoF I am stuck with them. And guess what? Most of them bandwagonned again last night, because they were expecting someone to PPT them out of T5.
    Remember how they were crying that they moved to FR because their friends could not join them? Wonder what BS excuse they will use now for stacking. So basically now I am either stuck with a dead link for 2 months, or I move my kitten somewhere else.

    Currently both Deso and FR+RoF are getting annihilated by Miller's Sound.

    Gandara and Deso and being kept full is BS, they lost way too many people.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    And on stream these anet employees said they didnt want to close the transfers after relinking because servers are rebuilding community... Yeah right, how ignorant can they be about this...

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    @Daredevil.2745 guess i found one of the 5500 people i killed during the last two weeks lmfao

    also, tiers matter not even a bit. t2 and t3 fights last weeks been the easiest farm i had for quite some time - and our link was only low populated (however, had like 40 good players and 10 pugs, which was basically all we needed)

    ...btw dedicated toxic troll account lmfao. you made 2 posts in 2 years,

    both to make cheap shots against a server who changed more than you changed your pants during that time

    ?
    @aspirine.6852 i mean, they're not wrong. we gotta "rebuild" this stuff all the time again, because they disrupt it by force. the only rather constant time i remember has been ages ago.
    literally every some weeks u see a ton of new names currently. many (forum kinda shows this too) refuse to play anything but ranger-thief or are just crossing by for farming gift of battle (and take ten times as long as needed) etc

    @Anaide.8251 on point - this also shows how finally worthless people talking about "tiers" as if that had to do anything of prestige, is. u can transfer within seconds. and the strong WSR guilds just transfered back to re-stack again. and yeah, everyone that isn't blues in our matchup now is kinda messed up. we have only one "blob" that is only halfways (if even) filled with players who can play effectively, the rest rather is meatshields. so its kinda zerg in blobsize, while blues ppt undisturbed in 2 maps, while we struggle to cover one.

    btw, after gw2mists, FR and RoF had in sum 83 transfer-outs (in the "last 30 days")

    like yesterday night we had one queue, but our group on our own home border had still (midnight till 3am) constantly about 20 people less than the guys camping at our garri. idk why we had a queue, or what the ppl did who should been on that border. maybe they just exploded too fast bc dodge key pressing is "too meta", who knows.

    @Zok.4956
    i played friday relink (unlink in our case) and nope, desolation had basically one group jumping around and trying to fight with mediocre success. we acutally jumped around to avoid the WSR mainblob bc it made no sense to fight that, also they had queues so couldn't follow our jumps. we had only one map queued really the whole unlink night. didn't play most of saturday, but was even worse after looking at the kd/r. we also have next to no comms left, rather new ones that need much experience.

    yeah, our ppt group kittens ppt hard during odd times.
    (whenever they play, or wherever they play, i don't even know most of them since they seem to be migrated to us... kittens that expect a corpse server to carry them, bc they remembered that we smacked them some time in the past, probably when we had still any raid guilds.)

    what shall i say, switching server has never looked so tempting. that, or stopping to play for some time. just anet proves that they don't fix things by time... alliances greets from the mists.

  • so much malding for something that no matter how much you cry , will absolutely never change ^^

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  • You still can hope that SFRs fighting spirit destroys WSR bandwagon

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  • @diomache.9246 said:
    You still can hope that SFRs fighting spirit destroys WSR bandwagon

    kekW , you so mad at wsr bandwagon , arnt you? get your own server together ^^ go join Tiru reform help them form a strong server , pointless you keep malding on forum about wsr when you dont try to form anything on your own and still tunnel visioned on the : i paid for the game i do whatever i want

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  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    @Zok.4956
    i played friday relink (unlink in our case) and nope, desolation had basically one group jumping around and trying to fight with mediocre success. we acutally jumped around to avoid the WSR mainblob bc it made no sense to fight that, also they had queues so couldn't follow our jumps. we had only one map queued really the whole unlink night. didn't play most of saturday, but was even worse after looking at the kd/r. we also have next to no comms left, rather new ones that need much experience.

    yeah, our ppt group kittens ppt hard during odd times.
    (whenever they play, or wherever they play, i don't even know most of them since they seem to be migrated to us... kittens that expect a corpse server to carry them, bc they remembered that we smacked them some time in the past, probably when we had still any raid guilds.)

    what shall i say, switching server has never looked so tempting. that, or stopping to play for some time. just anet proves that they don't fix things by time... alliances greets from the mists.

    It felt as if Desolation stopped playing starting from Saturday evening on and if lots of players from Desolation already transferred to other servers and left the server. Before that it felt as if Desolation was kind of OK. We will see if the Deso server population status will change monday evening, when it is recalculated.

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  • @Simo.6819 said:

    @diomache.9246 said:
    You still can hope that SFRs fighting spirit destroys WSR bandwagon

    kekW , you so mad at wsr bandwagon , arnt you? get your own server together ^^ go join Tiru reform help them form a strong server , pointless you keep malding on forum about wsr when you dont try to form anything on your own and still tunnel visioned on the : i paid for the game i do whatever i want

    Sorry, I am now linked to your stupid bandwagon for eight weeks. So, I just don't play the game until re-linking.

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  • Yes going back to their original server is such a bandwagoning move. Also gandara and Miller/dzago RoS and many others can do the exact same thing but its only a problem when wsr does it , shows how obsessed you guys are with them.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hydrium.2174 said:
    Yes going back to their original server is such a bandwagoning move. Also gandara and Miller/dzago RoS and many others can do the exact same thing but its only a problem when wsr does it , shows how obsessed you guys are with them.

    It's none of them's original server.. But that's ok..
    I dont mind them going back to wsr. Just surprised since they said last time they went to ranik to get them all on one server for once..

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    The players are part of the problem too, but Anet won't change a thing apart from tweaking the Algorithm for the server populations, even if Alliances are years away.

    Although I think people asked about any changes to how Linkings work in their last WvW stream, so it wouldn't be a bad idea, to keep asking for some tweaks to the current Server linking system.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    @Hydrium.2174 said:
    Yes going back to their original server is such a bandwagoning move. Also gandara and Miller/dzago RoS and many others can do the exact same thing but its only a problem when wsr does it , shows how obsessed you guys are with them.

    Well, they can't really do that as they are fundamentally different organised servers. That's something that's amiss in discussions like this where there are two sides flinging poo at each other while neither looks at how the system guides decisions. This is for better or worse for different servers.

    Servers that cling to some sort of server identity don't really have guilds that recruit (to stay alive and thus become split over link and host). They are also less dependent on guilds forming quality tags and often happy enough bouncing between lower tiers through clouding and PPT (sometimes PPT'ing their way up the ladder) with the occassional quality tag content.

    Servers like that will obviously not fare well when being unlinked but they will not be as directly affected. Them being unlinked means that they lose the coverage and possible tags covered by the link but it doesn't necessarily outright murder their communities by tearing them apart as much less of their "host players" end up on the link. That's not to say that none of their groups are/do but they are hit by it to a much lesser degree. The downside of that is that they hobble-on and recycle old relationships, rely on returning players and the like rather than building new communities as if they started recruiting they would get more players locked out of their full status, split over their links etc., too.

    Servers (or communities) that have adopted some sort of Alliance identity (though in truth, there have always been players with guild identities that bridge over into alliance identities with frienships developing between guilds, all the way back to vanilla) will need to make decisions where they put their guild and alliance before their server. It doesn't mean that they don't care about their server at all but it is definately second to their guilds and their decisions are driven by keeping their guilds alive.

    With that, the people who bandwagon are not the alliance but rather the players looking to get in on the content provided by the alliance. The people outside the alliance are the bandwagon and when an alliance like that moves it is often times to shake off the bandwagon because the bandwagon causes problems for the alliance by clogging up their server so it becomes full, hinders recruitment and splits the players in the guilds of the alliance over link and host. So they move and rebuild servers to get their own players into the same server and to get away from players that stops them from recruiting.

    As always, most of these underlying machinations are dealt with by the Alliance system. If it would ever come to completion...

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think from this.. we know the urgency of alliance world reconstruction.. anet needs to take this as a more priority as WvW is part of the game, and needs a little more attention.

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  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @aspirine.6852 said:

    @Hydrium.2174 said:
    Yes going back to their original server is such a bandwagoning move. Also gandara and Miller/dzago RoS and many others can do the exact same thing but its only a problem when wsr does it , shows how obsessed you guys are with them.

    It's none of them's original server.. But that's ok..
    I dont mind them going back to wsr. Just surprised since they said last time they went to ranik to get them all on one server for once..

    That's the lie. We were separated from our guilds. We couldn't play with our friends. I predicted they would run back to WSR because it allows another stack for 500 gems. They just can't stand losing in a mode where winning doesn't matter. Then now say form your own bandwagon like this is what is supposed to happen. Everyone transfer 300 dudes to a med pop so we can win nothing. There are good guilds and players and then a bunch of not good guilds and players that need to so outnumber their opponent for a chance to win. Which one do you think they are?

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭✭

    Dont like the players of WSR. Bandwagoners, Macro Users and cocky on their streams. Not that kind of people i like in game or rl.

  • @phreeak.1023 said:
    Macro Users

    Not sure if serious.
    This isn't a hard game to play you know...

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    What anet should do regarding relinkings in 3 steps:
    1. Remove relinkings
    2.1 Either: Remove linked servers and give those people transfer of their choice
    2.2 Or: Keep linked servers but count population status from total of main + link. Allows annual or biannual population balancing (not bimonthly)
    3. Increase Transfer costs to Medium servers to 700 gems, lower Very High servers to 1500 gems.

    And yes, T1 servers will have more people than lower tiers, but that also means they're more enjoyable to play in for most people. T1 = City life, lot prefer. T4 = Rural life, some prefer.

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  • @diomache.9246 said:

    Sorry, I am now linked to your stupid bandwagon for eight weeks. So, I just don't play the game until re-linking.

    Victim of WSR :anguished:

    Kebab [Kill] - WSR

  • @Simo.6819 said:

    @diomache.9246 said:

    Sorry, I am now linked to your stupid bandwagon for eight weeks. So, I just don't play the game until re-linking.

    Victim of WSR :anguished:

    We're all the victims here. I stubbed my toe last night and I just know it was those WSR guys that caused it.

  • monkaS.4769monkaS.4769 Member
    edited September 28, 2020

    You seem to be stuck in the "WSR bad" "WSR bandwagoners" mindset, so let me help you out, yes?

    That's funny, because why leaving it in first place? Let's stick to the facts, can we?
    WSR blob left WSR because they can't fight out of tier 5 after their fully stacked server and link were separated.
    So they decided to switch to Ranik (linked with a big server that could ppt hard enough to carry them in tier 1)

    Here's the first thing you're wrong about. They moved off WSR due to alot of their guildies being stuck on a link and WSR had no link. They moved to FR due to it being one of the emptier servers, and AG had the PPT to sustain a decent tier.

    Now they are back at stacking WSR while having to get carried by SFR ppt.

    Now they're back because they were gone for 2 months, and the intention was always to go back to WSR. See it as sort of a vacation.

    I understand the logic behind that, but why don't transfer back before the re-link? Oh right, you could have ended up on a full server and no one could carry you.

    Why not transfer back before? Because we had Miller's Sound matchup and organized fights with them throughout the weekend. It was quality fights. Aswell as the fact that people like you would be complaining even if they did move before relink, unfortunately.

    Instead you destroyed Fort Ranik which is a completely dead server now and their new link, because the re-link was done with a "full" Fort Ranik - which will lead to more people transfering off.
    Additionally you destroyed WSR for many people because the queues there are now really huge - same logic here: SFR was rather Full and is now linked to another full server.

    Fort Ranik was already a dead server before the WSR move. What you say is straight up irrelevant. The french community of 20 players that was there, will most likely stay. As for the queues, you can blame anet on not doing linkings manually. They should just do like NA - remove t5, that way you won't have to deal with "dead" servers or matchups.

    :)

  • Simo.6819Simo.6819 Member ✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    The only issue with removing t5 in EU , is that the already long queues from t1 2 3 and 4 will increase even more , making game not playable , the true issue its on players mentality refusing to improve and cooperate together for a greater good , how many times we offered fights on an empty border to get both sides people on border , and eventually reroll setup if needed , people just straight up refuse to fight even if you give them winning or even conditions...
    Most of the farm that WSR does is inside t3 keeps from enemy servers , because thats the only way to get enemys to show up , you tell me if thats normal ...

    NA has much much different timezone activity across the day , there is west/east coast and SEA time activity , EU its only standart 8 pm German time to 22/23, ev. 22 to 1-2 am for Baruch or certain guilds in FR/DE server, its much harder to fit server population in borders if all play at same time , thats why NA can afford having 4 tiers and EU not

    Kebab [Kill] - WSR

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    @Tinnel.4369 said:

    @SpellOfIniquity.1780 said:

    @Tinnel.4369 said:

    @SpellOfIniquity.1780 said:

    Maguuma, Northern Shiverpeaks

    This is gonna be a fun week.

    One bad joke after another around here anymore.

    Chat is gonna be a whole other level of entertainment. I can't wait for this, lmao. Almost as good as if we had been linked with DB or YB. I love me some good old team chat meme chat.

    I may just xfer, I've done the Mag show before.

    I have totally quit WvW since the beginning of 2020. But because I needed 250+ more skirmish tickets, i went back to WvW for like a week and that time we were linked to Mag. I have been in Mag a few times before but the last link with them was bad. Mag is no more what it used to be.

    Those big/effective guilds have left. That week when I logged in, i always see two/three small guild squads running around separately and chatting in asian language, indo or maybe pinoy language, idk. They were totally oblivious to those non native players running with them. It was the worst one week ppt i have ever experienced in my 4 years of WvW. Glad that the one week run was over and now we are no more linked to Mag.

    Seriously, i would definitely transfer out if not for the fact that i don't play WvW anymore. Mag is not Mag anymore.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    One solution would be to give Fort ranik the link to SFR, and let WSR link with ROF. ...

  • Simo.6819Simo.6819 Member ✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    @Anaide.8251 said:

    @Simo.6819 said:
    Victim of WSR :anguished:

    Can you stop being such a white knight for bandwagoners? Do you find it normal that now I am either forced to go through these 8 weeks of kitten, or move myself, because I had the unfortune to be linked with FR?
    It is really fun getting steamrolled by MS, not being able to flip a camp, kill a sentry, getting spawn camped! Good kitten times over here.
    There is no shame in admitting you are expecting others to PPT for you, but have the 'nads and admit it.

    Many other guild/servers did the same as WSR , but ya all whining about wsr only , maybe its not me whiteknighting , maybe its you hating on wsr only
    Think about it this way , some people make use of it , some people dont , some abuse it , some profit from it ^^ its not illegal , also , you keep calling it bandwagon , when in reality its always the same exact package of people moving back to their original server so not really a bandwagon, you just dont know how to call a transfer without pronouncing bandwagon.

    META transfered from Gandara to RoS , their server got left alone without link by Anet , they decided to gtfo and join the third most stacked server of EU rn , why you dont comment about them :astonished:
    Guilds and people change server because they want to play the game right , you prefer to dont play for 8 weeks because reasons , fair enough ^^ have fun and cya in 8 weeks

    Kebab [Kill] - WSR

  • i agree with @Threather.9354 ...

    besides @Simo.6819 here u're just wrong. the queues are bigger than they should be, because anet recently (some months ago) lowered map caps. originally queues been across all maps and it was still somehow working... that's really just unnecessary whining.


    about those MS ... notsure, it's just Pony, dE and port or sth alike. nothing really special or hard to kill if we got more than newbies around. sadly system is trash, and it NEEDS an somewhat urgent fix, if Arenanet opens the floodgates with Steam-launch in 2 months rougly, because any non full server will get fulled up with totally new accounts then, of which only unknown % will be alt accounts of existing players. also, will take at least a month i guess till these players will first be able to enter Wvw effectively.

  • Simo.6819Simo.6819 Member ✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    i agree with @Threather.9354 ...

    besides @Simo.6819 here u're just wrong. the queues are bigger than they should be, because anet recently (some months ago) lowered map caps. originally queues been across all maps and it was still somehow working... that's really just unnecessary whining.


    about those MS ... notsure, it's just Pony, dE and port or sth alike. nothing really special or hard to kill if we got more than newbies around. sadly system is trash, and it NEEDS an somewhat urgent fix, if Arenanet opens the floodgates with Steam-launch in 2 months rougly, because any non full server will get fulled up with totally new accounts then, of which only unknown % will be alt accounts of existing players. also, will take at least a month i guess till these players will first be able to enter Wvw effectively.

    Map cap got lowered by 7 per border , not 50 slots. 7 map slots is not the end of the world and it does not justify the 40-60 man queues that we will have constantly if we remove a full tier worth of players and merge it into the rest.
    As i said , we are EU we have 2-3 hours of active primetime content where all players login to guild raids or simply play the game , we already have queues with 5 tiers , what do you think is gonna happen .
    Now , this is a fresh relink situation , and its fine that it is like this , but what would it be if a all people from t5 merge in the remaining ^^ check it out http://prntscr.com/upaxmk

    Kebab [Kill] - WSR

  • @diomache.9246 said:

    That's funny, because why leaving it in first place? Let's stick to the facts, can we?
    WSR blob left WSR because they can't fight out of tier 5 after their fully stacked server and link were separated.
    So they decided to switch to Ranik (linked with a big server that could ppt hard enough to carry them in tier 1)
    Now they are back at stacking WSR while having to get carried by SFR ppt.

    I understand the logic behind that, but why don't transfer back before the re-link? Oh right, you could have ended up on a full server and no one could carry you.
    Instead you destroyed Fort Ranik which is a completely dead server now and their new link, because the re-link was done with a "full" Fort Ranik - which will lead to more people transfering off.
    Additionally you destroyed WSR for many people because the queues there are now really huge - same logic here: SFR was rather Full and is now linked to another full server.

    As stated, I don't really care for WSR, the server is just the best example how entitled players destroy a game mode and not even thinking twice or learning from mistakes NA players made years ago. The only thing you achieve with what you're doing is making the already low population even lower and having less people to fight.
    And suddenly you complain about: dead game all over the internet.

    Well you basically explained yourself why wsr left in the first place. And leaving before the relinks would be actually 0 iq move , first off we had fights with miller scheduled and second why would you gamble and entire server tranfers before knowing where you are going to end up? what if we got linked with a server that we absolutely didnt want to be with? like servers that we want to fight. And again its only an issue for you when its with wsr who have been on the same server for 3 years , while germans bandwagon to servers all the time , gandara/gh/ros is the exactly same at the moment but i havn't heard anyone about that yet. And queues are only huge on sfr because its relink hype/weekend , im sure the queues will become manageable after a week orso , not saying that we don't have allot of players right now though.

  • @Simo.6819 said:

    @Anaide.8251 said:

    @Simo.6819 said:
    Victim of WSR :anguished:

    Can you stop being such a white knight for bandwagoners? Do you find it normal that now I am either forced to go through these 8 weeks of kitten, or move myself, because I had the unfortune to be linked with FR?
    It is really fun getting steamrolled by MS, not being able to flip a camp, kill a sentry, getting spawn camped! Good kitten times over here.
    There is no shame in admitting you are expecting others to PPT for you, but have the 'nads and admit it.

    Many other guild/servers did the same as WSR , but ya all whining about wsr only , maybe its not me whiteknighting , maybe its you hating on wsr only
    Think about it this way , some people make use of it , some people dont , some abuse it , some profit from it ^^ its not illegal , also , you keep calling it bandwagon , when in reality its always the same exact package of people moving back to their original server so not really a bandwagon, you just dont know how to call a transfer without pronouncing bandwagon.

    META transfered from Gandara to RoS , their server got left alone without link by Anet , they decided to gtfo and join the third most stacked server of EU rn , why you dont comment about them :astonished:
    Guilds and people change server because they want to play the game right , you prefer to dont play for 8 weeks because reasons , fair enough ^^ have fun and cya in 8 weeks

    Why would I complain about Gandara? I am not linked to them, now am I? Stop comparing apples and oranges in this case. So yes I will complain because I am forced into a crappy game mode because of others, because they decided to move to a dead server, make it full, wait for the relink and move out again.
    It is not illegal it is abusing the system. And this is only proves the point the other people made, they want someone to take them out of T5.

    FYI I know what a transfer is stop being condescending.

  • @Anaide.8251 said:

    FYI I know what a transfer is stop being condescending.

    To me you are just trying to prove something by crying on the forum hoping that Anet will do something to make your game experience better , go join another server if you dont like your server.

    Kebab [Kill] - WSR

  • @Simo.6819 said:

    @Anaide.8251 said:

    FYI I know what a transfer is stop being condescending.

    To me you are just trying to prove something by crying on the forum hoping that Anet will do something to make your game experience better , go join another server if you dont like your server.

    I am not crying, I am stating an opinion. It is obvious you are incapable of holding an objective view on this issue, wvw has massive problems, these "server transfers" screw up things even more.
    I like my server, RoF is not the problem, the host server is the problem. My game experience would not suffer at all if people did not use the "we want to play with our friends excuse", make a dead server full and then abandon it.

    Either you have something constructive to say or don't bother to reply and go to your stacked server.

    P.S. I will make sure to complain about Gandara when I get linked to them.

  • Simo.6819Simo.6819 Member ✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    Server transfers indeed dont help with the WvW balance done by Anet , but the Anet balance itself has no logic itself , so i dont even know if thats a problem...
    Honestly i would like Anet to adopt Glicko or a randomized Match up system , this 1 up 1 down kitten its very easy to manipulate and hard to avoid at the same time
    A randomized weekly MU will discourage ppters that aim to camp T1 for the whole Relink duration , and will spread variety in fights for guilds and roamers , also EOTM is still an option for fights you may think , but as i already mentioned previously , you cant use it if enemys straight up dodge .
    One of the reasons people move out of servers , is we only fighting but dont wanna be stuck in t5 because we dont have ppt
    Soooo > a random matchup generation will help in that matter , ofc you may be unlucky and still get a garbage matchup but you know , random is random for everyone.

    Anet created Drizzlewood for ppters , yet we still have them in wvw , can Anet please give us a randomized MU system ? :)
    This will probably fix the fact that people transfers right after every relink :) but i think Anet wants those money invested for transfering soooo , probably wont happen :)

    Kebab [Kill] - WSR

  • @Simo.6819 any proof on that? i never see official numbers from anet. we assume map caps are sth around 75 per color and some single digit lowering of that afaik

    besides, this queues would be perfectly fine if we had one more map. EotM for full map would have the capacities to take the overflow.

    outside of that, it has been eternities since i saw kinda queues. must been during warclaw release time - and one of these is likely just a fake Q.

    randomized matchups would be a pretty interesting thing, i'd rather have all borders randomized tho - so u get randomly alpine or desert as home borders, with options of having 3 desert but also 3 alpine borders. EBG starts should be as independently randomized.

    like, ppt ranks or tiers are overall literally worthless anyways. no reason to have this "ppt1st rise tier ppt2nd stay ppt3rd drops tier"-chaos. and that to just have all resetted within 2 months anyways. what for?