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Duo Queue for Plat 2+? Post SS of your rating 80 votes

Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+
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No, this would harm the leaderboard
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Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs
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Other other, I don't play this game to be friends with people - let everyone suffer with me in solo queue muahaha!
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  • Sinful.2165Sinful.2165 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2018
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    https://imgur.com/a/x6Pvd2f

    Now we can put this debate to rest, with facts. Many people feel people who won't be affected by this change shouldn't have a vote in the matter; I am inclined to agree.

    EDIT: 1,600 rating for me for those too lazy to click links.

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2018
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    This thread already exists twice and its been explained multiple times why your asserting that 1600 teams dont affect lower tier players is wrong

    Please stop spamming the forums with your false assertions

    /thread

  • Sinful.2165Sinful.2165 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    This thread already exists twice and its been explained multiple times why your asserting that 1600 teams dont affect lower tier players is wrong

    Please stop spamming the forums with your false assertions

    /thread

    If the argument is that MMR dips too low to pull players together for games; the counterpoint can be made that the reason is because PvP population is in a severe decline due to a multitude of reasons, one of which is not being able to play with your friends in a multiplayer game. The solo nature of the ranked queue means you have to deal with people farming the legendary backpack achievements by playing with 3 different classes, bad players being placed at a high rating right out of the gate and getting farmed down to their skill level (duo or not, they're getting farmed down for good reason: they don't belong there) because the placement system is completely whack.

    Players sitting in spawn having a tantrum at their team, refusing to contribute and throwing the game for any reason at all. People not working together because they are all strangers in a TEAM match. The list goes on and on why solo only queue is not fun.

    I understand why we shouldn't have full premades queuing ranked, it would be completely unbalanced if that pool is mixed with solo queue. That's why we have ATs now. But if they allow duo queue in ranked, why the arbitrary decision to cut it off at plat 2? The leaderboard above that is completely RNG because 1 player isn't going to carry a team. There's no real indication of individual skill, luck plays just as much of a factor. Win trading happened, cheaters got to keep their titles.. the rewards for being top of the leaderboard are meaningless so why punish players for wanting to play competitive matches with a friend?

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2018
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Sinful.2165 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    This thread already exists twice and its been explained multiple times why your asserting that 1600 teams dont affect lower tier players is wrong

    Please stop spamming the forums with your false assertions

    /thread

    If the argument is that MMR dips too low to pull players together for games; the counterpoint can be made that the reason is because PvP population is in a severe decline due to a multitude of reasons, one of which is not being able to play with your friends in a multiplayer game. The solo nature of the ranked queue means you have to deal with people farming the legendary backpack achievements by playing with 3 different classes, bad players being placed at a high rating right out of the gate and getting farmed down to their skill level (duo or not, they're getting farmed down for good reason: they don't belong there) because the placement system is completely whack.

    Players sitting in spawn having a tantrum at their team, refusing to contribute and throwing the game for any reason at all. People not working together because they are all strangers in a TEAM match. The list goes on and on why solo only queue is not fun.

    I understand why we shouldn't have full premades queuing ranked, it would be completely unbalanced if that pool is mixed with solo queue. That's why we have ATs now. But if they allow duo queue in ranked, why the arbitrary decision to cut it off at plat 2? The leaderboard above that is completely RNG because 1 player isn't going to carry a team. There's no real indication of individual skill, luck plays just as much of a factor. Win trading happened, cheaters got to keep their titles.. the rewards for being top of the leaderboard are meaningless so why punish players for wanting to play competitive matches with a friend?

    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

  • @Legatus.3608 said:
    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

    Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    https://imgur.com/a/HXmRGKS

  • Coolguy.8702Coolguy.8702 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2018
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    We just had this poll a few days ago>

    @Legatus.3608 said:

    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    Players under 1600 still get queued against high level players. Another question is why do they get to play with their friends but we cant? Thats why those players shouldnt be allowed to vote, because they dont know how it feels being alone all the time

    As for you thinking the game is better off wihout duo q, queue times have been longer each season ever since they removed duo q. mmr is still kitten as well. Ive had games where multiple plat 2+ players were matched against gold players. The last poll was also in favor of duo q(50-49%). And just about every high level player wants it back

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 24, 2018
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

    Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

    It's not RNG at all, you're statistically less likely to fill a team with 3 potentially open slots than you are for a team with 4 potentially open slots. Further, you're intentionally preventing the match making algorithm to properly balance the teams by not allowing it to place people on opposing teams. Not to mention the inherent advantages of being in voice comms with your friends and/or having complementary builds or strategies.

    Look I'm sorry but you can have either 5 man teams or solo queues, and under the current population a 5 man queue would kill pvp the same way it led to pointless repeat matchup farming in SWTOR. The fact that duo queue even exists at all in a rated system with 5 man teams regardless of bracket is a total kitten joke.

    Do you want to play with your buddies or do you want the rating system and pvp itself to actually mean anything at all? You can't have both. How many teams are there in the average AT? And how many of those teams consistently win the ATs? Whatever you see in AT's, that's the identical result of allowing teams in regular pvp.

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Coolguy.8702 said:
    We just had this poll a few days ago>

    @Legatus.3608 said:

    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    Players under 1600 still get queued against high level players. Another question is why do they get to play with their friends but we cant? Thats why those players shouldnt be allowed to vote, because they dont know how it feels being alone all the time

    As for you thinking the game is better off wihout duo q, queue times have been longer each season ever since they removed duo q. mmr is still kitten as well. Ive had games where multiple plat 2+ players were matched against gold players. The last poll was also in favor of duo q(50-49%). And just about every high level player wants it back

    1. Play with your friends
    2. Meaningful pvp that isn't trash

    Pick one

  • @Legatus.3608 said:
    It's not RNG at all, you're statistically less likely to fill a team with 3 potentially open slots than you are for a team with 4 potentially open slots. Further, you're intentionally preventing the match making algorithm to properly balance the teams by not allowing it to place people on opposing teams. Not to mention the inherent advantages of being in voice comms with your friends and/or having complementary builds or strategies.

    Have you considered that the matchmaker is most likely going to try to put a duo on each team in games where there are duos?

    Do you want to play with your buddies or do you want the rating system and pvp itself to actually mean anything at all? You can't have both. How many teams are there in the average AT? And how many of those teams consistently win the ATs? Whatever you see in AT's, that's the identical result of allowing teams in regular pvp.

    The players that are actually going to appear on the leaderboard are the players that are 1600+ and want duo queue lol

    Do you think every game with players below 1600 is meaningless trash because it's possible for players to be queued together in duos?

  • Sampson.2403Sampson.2403 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2018
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    Yes, it's very odd to have a solo Q restriction on an MMO where the only ranked mode is 5v5.

    https://imgur.com/a/Oqqs5vG

  • Coolguy.8702Coolguy.8702 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @Legatus.3608 said:

    @Coolguy.8702 said:
    We just had this poll a few days ago>

    @Legatus.3608 said:

    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    Players under 1600 still get queued against high level players. Another question is why do they get to play with their friends but we cant? Thats why those players shouldnt be allowed to vote, because they dont know how it feels being alone all the time

    As for you thinking the game is better off wihout duo q, queue times have been longer each season ever since they removed duo q. mmr is still kitten as well. Ive had games where multiple plat 2+ players were matched against gold players. The last poll was also in favor of duo q(50-49%). And just about every high level player wants it back

    1. Play with your friends
    2. Meaningful pvp that isn't trash

    Pick one

    Gonna go with 1 since the pvp rn isnt meaningful or fun

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    It's not RNG at all, you're statistically less likely to fill a team with 3 potentially open slots than you are for a team with 4 potentially open slots. Further, you're intentionally preventing the match making algorithm to properly balance the teams by not allowing it to place people on opposing teams. Not to mention the inherent advantages of being in voice comms with your friends and/or having complementary builds or strategies.

    Have you considered that the matchmaker is most likely going to try to put a duo on each team in games where there are duos?

    Do you want to play with your buddies or do you want the rating system and pvp itself to actually mean anything at all? You can't have both. How many teams are there in the average AT? And how many of those teams consistently win the ATs? Whatever you see in AT's, that's the identical result of allowing teams in regular pvp.

    The players that are actually going to appear on the leaderboard are the players that are 1600+ and want duo queue lol

    Do you think every game with players below 1600 is meaningless trash because it's possible for players to be queued together in duos?

    As a matter of fact, yes, I do

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @Legatus.3608 said:

    @Coolguy.8702 said:
    We just had this poll a few days ago>

    @Legatus.3608 said:

    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    Players under 1600 still get queued against high level players. Another question is why do they get to play with their friends but we cant? Thats why those players shouldnt be allowed to vote, because they dont know how it feels being alone all the time

    As for you thinking the game is better off wihout duo q, queue times have been longer each season ever since they removed duo q. mmr is still kitten as well. Ive had games where multiple plat 2+ players were matched against gold players. The last poll was also in favor of duo q(50-49%). And just about every high level player wants it back

    1. Play with your friends
    2. Meaningful pvp that isn't trash

    Pick one

    It's trash either way.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You know...more of us would have taken this poll seriously if you had included the option : potato.

    oh well...move along folks nothing to see here.

    Soon™ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Milan.9035Milan.9035 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Yes, it's very odd to have a solo Q restriction on an MMO where the only ranked mode is 5v5.

    https://imgur.com/a/Oqqs5vG

    It would be very strange to have an mmo where 5v5 ranked is played and the biggest team in 2 players and the leaderboard isindividual rank.

    It has to be either solo with personal rating like we have now or 5v5 with 5 man teams and the team gets the rank. Having anything in between makes no sense for anything competitive.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, this would harm the leaderboard

    @Milan.9035 said:

    @Sampson.2403 said:
    Yes, it's very odd to have a solo Q restriction on an MMO where the only ranked mode is 5v5.

    https://imgur.com/a/Oqqs5vG

    It would be very strange to have an mmo where 5v5 ranked is played and the biggest team in 2 players and the leaderboard isindividual rank.

    It has to be either solo with personal rating like we have now or 5v5 with 5 man teams and the team gets the rank. Having anything in between makes no sense for anything competitive.

    This.

    I finished... somewhere in the sixties last season, can't log in right now for screenshot. And don't want to put in that much effort anyway...

  • Patrick.2987Patrick.2987 Member ✭✭✭

    Only teamq is fun no one cares for leaderboard or the game anymore anyway just add teamq back.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, this would harm the leaderboard

    I actually think that it would harm the leaderboards. If it isn't 5 man que enabled, just leave it to solo que past 1600.

  • Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+


    Let me play with friends, kthx.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • dagger dave.5201dagger dave.5201 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    Leaderboard and rank doesn't really matter... tbh I wouldn't duo queue but I see no reason for top players not to be able to play with friends outside of at..

    Current rating 1650+ on NA and EU

  • Master Ketsu.4569Master Ketsu.4569 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People are forgetting that it's not about balance it's about win trading. It was already explained ( thread is still up on reddit, google it yourself as posting the link here will get it deleted by mods ) how duo Q and matchmaking can be exploited to rig the leaderboards quite easily and you only need 4 people to do it. The real question is whether or not being able to play with your friends is worth it to you for the price of dealing with significantly more match manipulation.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

    Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

    It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

  • @Faux Play.6104 said:
    It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

    You're describing a scenario where there's 10 players queuing for a match and two of them happen to be queued together, and the players are just randomly distributed across the two teams. What happens when you actually account for stuff like how your personal mmr impacts whether you'll be grouped with a particular set of players when a matchmaker tries to create teams with equal average mmrs, how the matchmaker will try to even out the 10 player's respective professions so that they're distributed evenly to the two teams, how a matchmaker will typically tend to place a duo on each team in cases where there are duos in a match? Idk, maybe you're right and if we allow players rated 1600+ to duo together, solo queue players will just be turbo-kitten and lose 62.5% of the time, but I played back when duo queues were allowed and I solo queued without that being a problem

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2018

    All I want is PIPS in unranked or team queue in ranked re-introduced.

    If people want to manipulate their way onto the leaderboards then not my problem, just another person that makes me feel better about myself due to their pathetic lifestyle but for the love of beer let me play with guildies and friends again and know that our time isn't being wasted....

    It's so hard to attract people to this mode as it is.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Faux Play.6104 said:
    It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

    You're describing a scenario where there's 10 players queuing for a match and two of them happen to be queued together, and the players are just randomly distributed across the two teams. What happens when you actually account for stuff like how your personal mmr impacts whether you'll be grouped with a particular set of players when a matchmaker tries to create teams with equal average mmrs, how the matchmaker will try to even out the 10 player's respective professions so that they're distributed evenly to the two teams, how a matchmaker will typically tend to place a duo on each team in cases where there are duos in a match? Idk, maybe you're right and if we allow players rated 1600+ to duo together, solo queue players will just be turbo-kitten and lose 62.5% of the time, but I played back when duo queues were allowed and I solo queued without that being a problem

    Implying that mmr will somehow distribute people to the 3 slots more than the 5 slots, riiight

  • Vornollo.5182Vornollo.5182 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    Rating is 1451 at the time of writing this.
    Reached higher Platinum in previous seasons though.

    I just find it really weird to not allow friends to play together.
    Yes, low rating players may face them, but hey. That's part of it. It's just another (albeit steep) step on the learning curve.
    I personally don't want to farm for rewards or any of that, I play sPvP simply because it's fun and because I want to challenge myself to improve, nothing is quite as exhilarating as winning a close match in this game. Most fun I've had all season (so far) was two days back, winning a game 500 to 498, after having to come back from 368 to 493. Hard work, but it felt so kitten good and everyone (yes, all 10) actually commented one another on the well played match. That's how it should be.
    That includes sometimes facing the odds. I am of a mind that, you will win, even against these duo's, if you really want to. Because if you really want to, you'll learn from your losses and improve. You'll actually try to become a better player and can actually beat even those people.
    Not wanting an equal playing field for everyone in terms of duo queues, is just your own ego and weakness shining through. If you're afraid of facing some platinum+ players, maybe you should look into improving and learning from them.

    [PUSH] Constant Pressure

  • kipthelip.5802kipthelip.5802 Member ✭✭
    edited July 26, 2018

    First of all when you d> @Faux Play.6104 said:

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

    Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

    It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

    That is countered by the fact when you win in a duo you get less MMR gain then when you are solo and when you lose to a DUO you get less MMR loss. So it washes out in the end. Get on an account that has a MMR that can still duo and do some solo and some duo and you'll quickly see what I mean. All these straw men you anti-group players line up can easily be swept away. Allowing duoing won't stop anyone good from placing high but it might just bring some people back.

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @kipthelip.5802 said:
    First of all when you d> @Faux Play.6104 said:

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

    Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

    It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

    That is countered by the fact when you win in a duo you get less MMR gain then when you are solo and when you lose to a DUO you get less MMR loss. So it washes out in the end. Get on an account that has a MMR that can still duo and do some solo and some duo and you'll quickly see what I mean. All these straw men you anti-group players line up can easily be swept away. Allowing duoing won't stop anyone good from placing high but it might just bring some people back.

    It doesn't quite work that way, you don't gain points for losing more closely, you just lose less points. You're still losing the points.

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    No, this would harm the leaderboard

    Guess we need five more threads like this, the options aren't biased enough yet.

    I don't even care about the leaderboard, but I'm fairly sure it would make the match quality even worse by widening the rating gaps within matches even further. I posted an explanatory vid in the other thread.
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  • Curennos.9307Curennos.9307 Member ✭✭✭

    PvP in this game has been a joke to varying degrees for quite a while. I highly doubt Anet is ever going to reach a suitable level of balance between classes/builds or quality in matchmaking/leaderboard calcu-whatsits. I see no point in giving up DuoQ/whateverQ in exchange for something that doesn't exist.

  • Revilrad.1962Revilrad.1962 Member ✭✭
    edited July 27, 2018
    Other other, I don't play this game to be friends with people - let everyone suffer with me in solo queue muahaha!

    Same response to other thread which is the same thread as this actually :

    Can anyone explain it to me why the "pros" complaining about solo queue arent just playing AT? Seriously? There. That is your dream. 5v5. You can get your dream team and go for it.
    My Explanation of current state :
    ANET introduced A frikkin legendary backpack which takes ages to complete in a ranked gametype. They also time-gated it to oblivion so you need multiple seasons to get it. I seriously think that is the problem. Because the "PvE noobs" you get teamed up with, dont care how the match goes. They just want to get the backpack and gtfo. But the surplus of new players will keep that ranks filled.
    I think Anet should introduce a pro leaugue parallel to the normal ranked league. After you reach platinum in normal league, you should Change leagues and go play "there". This new league will have its own pool of players hence the matchmaking wont be pairing people with silver/bronzes because there will be none.
    And the gold/silver/bronze players can keep their soloqueue becasue getting stomped by 2 pros communicating via TS gets boring very fast even if you are only farming for a legendary and dont want to continue PvPing.

  • Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @Revilrad.1962 said:
    Same response to other thread which is the same thread as this actually :

    Can anyone explain it to me why the "pros" complaining about solo queue arent just playing AT? Seriously? There. That is your dream. 5v5. You can get your dream team and go for it.
    My Explanation of current state :
    ANET introduced A frikkin legendary backpack which takes ages to complete in a ranked gametype. They also time-gated it to oblivion so you need multiple seasons to get it. I seriously think that is the problem. Because the "PvE noobs" you get teamed up with, dont care how the match goes. They just want to get the backpack and gtfo. But the surplus of new players will keep that ranks filled.
    I think Anet should introduce a pro leaugue parallel to the normal ranked league. After you reach platinum in normal league, you should Change leagues and go play "there". This new league will have its own pool of players hence the matchmaking wont be pairing people with silver/bronzes because there will be none.
    And the gold/silver/bronze players can keep their soloqueue becasue getting stomped by 2 pros communicating via TS gets boring very fast even if you are only farming for a legendary and dont want to continue PvPing.

    The back is almost two (if not already) years old. Basically everyone who wants it has it.
    As for ATs, they offer one or two good games every 6 hours. The first couple rounds could be won wearing a blindfold.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Other other, I don't play this game to be friends with people - let everyone suffer with me in solo queue muahaha!

    @AngelLovesFredrik.6741 said:

    @Revilrad.1962 said:
    Same response to other thread which is the same thread as this actually :

    Can anyone explain it to me why the "pros" complaining about solo queue arent just playing AT? Seriously? There. That is your dream. 5v5. You can get your dream team and go for it.
    My Explanation of current state :
    ANET introduced A frikkin legendary backpack which takes ages to complete in a ranked gametype. They also time-gated it to oblivion so you need multiple seasons to get it. I seriously think that is the problem. Because the "PvE noobs" you get teamed up with, dont care how the match goes. They just want to get the backpack and gtfo. But the surplus of new players will keep that ranks filled.
    I think Anet should introduce a pro leaugue parallel to the normal ranked league. After you reach platinum in normal league, you should Change leagues and go play "there". This new league will have its own pool of players hence the matchmaking wont be pairing people with silver/bronzes because there will be none.
    And the gold/silver/bronze players can keep their soloqueue becasue getting stomped by 2 pros communicating via TS gets boring very fast even if you are only farming for a legendary and dont want to continue PvPing.

    The back is almost two (if not already) years old. Basically everyone who wants it has it.
    As for ATs, they offer one or two good games every 6 hours. The first couple rounds could be won wearing a blindfold.

    But the intoduction of PoF created a surplus of returning and new players who didn't get the Backpack.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2018
    No, this would harm the leaderboard

    There is a huge difference between random players queuing together and high skills players doing it. The communication advantage is huge.

    In addition, There surely is not enough 1600 plus players in the pool. Putting 2 of them in 1 team will result in long wait times as well (assuming the game will try to put 2 equal skilled players on the other team).

    My current rating is 1591, 11 wins and 4 loses so far.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @kipthelip.5802 said:
    First of all when you d> @Faux Play.6104 said:

    @Solaerin.8635 said:

    @Legatus.3608 said:
    None of this stuff is relevant at all. The question was why should players under 1600 vote on duo queues above 1600. The answer to that question is because they still get queued against those duo teams.

    The other question about whether the game would be better off with or without duo queues has already been answered by the popular opinion poll.

    This is brought up a lot, but why does it matter whether or not two of your teammates happen to be grouped together? If there's a really strong duo that's queuing ranked, it's just rng whether they end up on your team or the enemy team, just like it's rng whether or not they end up on your team if they're both solo.

    Also, his post happens to be extremely relevant, because most people who are 1600+ WANT duo queue, so you may very well see a population increase in pvp for people who are 1600+. If this is the case, plat 1/lower player would be less likely to have people 1600+ in their matches altogether

    It is pretty simple math. their team will have 3 open slots. The team that plays them will have 5. So times you are in a match with them 62.5% of the time you will be against them and 37.5 % of the time you will be with them. You are almost twice as likely to be on the short end of the stick.

    That is countered by the fact when you win in a duo you get less MMR gain then when you are solo and when you lose to a DUO you get less MMR loss. So it washes out in the end. Get on an account that has a MMR that can still duo and do some solo and some duo and you'll quickly see what I mean. All these straw men you anti-group players line up can easily be swept away. Allowing duoing won't stop anyone good from placing high but it might just bring some people back.

    Your rating gain/loss after a match has nothing to do with who you are paired with. It has to do with the average rating of the team you face and your individual rating.

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    Yet another meaningless poll. We need option to remove duo queue from ranked queue and not unranked.

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2018
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    Please stop this unnecessary spamming. Duo queue favourers have not been able to make any valid argument that will actually improve game experience. Most arguments ignore official game format and leaderboard and focus on what suits players and their friends. You've got game modes to enjoy with friends already. Go play those please. Unranked, ATs, World boss trains, ktrains, wvw zergs (get all mates into a zerg). Want hardcore, go do 10 man raids. Leave ranked alone for Solo q.

  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    It’s funny that a lot of players still don’t know how the Matchmaker works, if players Duo their skill rating gets artificially inflated for matchmaking purposes to make the opposing team have higher rated players(in the majority of cases).

    The skill rating gain/loss is solely based on your individual rating vs the opposing teams average rating.

    The MM is very good at matching extremely close opposing teams average rating wise, those players that duo with their artificially inflated rating get paired with players of much lower rating etc to average out the teams rating.

    And to those saying Duo Q would exponentially increase the Q times, we had Duo Q and Q times weren’t more than 3-5 mins during normal peak hours.

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:
    It’s funny that a lot of players still don’t know how the Matchmaker works, if players Duo their skill rating gets artificially inflated for matchmaking purposes to make the opposing team have higher rated players(in the majority of cases).

    It's even funnier that people don't understand the competitive edge duo queue provides. Matchmaking is not capable of estimating this effect.

    It's extremely funny that some people just blatantly ignore this fact in favour of determination to wreck another game more and abuse leaderboarbs.

    It's not at all funny that a duo queue can easily manipulate match outcomes through various unhealthy measures.

    The skill rating gain/loss is solely based on your individual rating vs the opposing teams average rating.

    We know how amazing matchmaking is.
    You've never come across one sided games?

  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2018
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @BadMed.3846 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:
    It’s funny that a lot of players still don’t know how the Matchmaker works, if players Duo their skill rating gets artificially inflated for matchmaking purposes to make the opposing team have higher rated players(in the majority of cases).

    It's even funnier that people don't understand the competitive edge duo queue provides. Matchmaking is not capable of estimating this effect.

    It's extremely funny that some people just blatantly ignore this fact in favour of determination to wreck another game more and abuse leaderboarbs.

    It's not at all funny that a duo queue can easily manipulate match outcomes through various unhealthy measures.

    The skill rating gain/loss is solely based on your individual rating vs the opposing teams average rating.

    We know how amazing matchmaking is.
    You've never come across one sided games?

    Again the MM compensates by placing Duo Q players against higher rated players and gives those Duo Q players worse teammates, they get hit twice for the ability to play with their friend, and again it’s so hilarious that we are quite a few seasons in and players still don’t understand how the MM or Skill Rating actually work. And remember the rating between the two teams has a very low difference between each other.

    One sided games? Not normally unless someone intentionally afk/throws a match, or I am playing at the most complete dead play times like 2am in the morning.

    TLDR

    Duo Q players get paired with worse rated players and paired against better rated players.

    Oh and please explain how Duo Q players can Manipulate match outcome by unhealthy measures, this should be treat to hear.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, this would harm the leaderboard

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @BadMed.3846 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:
    It’s funny that a lot of players still don’t know how the Matchmaker works, if players Duo their skill rating gets artificially inflated for matchmaking purposes to make the opposing team have higher rated players(in the majority of cases).

    It's even funnier that people don't understand the competitive edge duo queue provides. Matchmaking is not capable of estimating this effect.

    It's extremely funny that some people just blatantly ignore this fact in favour of determination to wreck another game more and abuse leaderboarbs.

    It's not at all funny that a duo queue can easily manipulate match outcomes through various unhealthy measures.

    The skill rating gain/loss is solely based on your individual rating vs the opposing teams average rating.

    We know how amazing matchmaking is.
    You've never come across one sided games?

    Again the MM compensates by placing Duo Q players against higher rated players and gives those Duo Q players worse teammates, they get hit twice for the ability to play with their friend, and again it’s so hilarious that we are quite a few seasons in and players still don’t understand how the MM or Skill Rating actually work. And remember the rating between the two teams has a very low difference between each other.

    One sided games? Not normally unless someone intentionally afk/throws a match, or I am playing at the most complete dead play times like 2am in the morning.

    TLDR

    Duo Q players get paired with worse rated players and paired against better rated players.

    Oh and please explain how Duo Q players can Manipulate match outcome by unhealthy measures, this should be treat to hear.

    All else held equal, the team with voice communication should win against the team that does not. It is as simple as that. I dunno why people are trying to over complicate things. In addition, there is no evidence that duo players are paired with worse rated players.

  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @otto.5684 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @BadMed.3846 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:
    It’s funny that a lot of players still don’t know how the Matchmaker works, if players Duo their skill rating gets artificially inflated for matchmaking purposes to make the opposing team have higher rated players(in the majority of cases).

    It's even funnier that people don't understand the competitive edge duo queue provides. Matchmaking is not capable of estimating this effect.

    It's extremely funny that some people just blatantly ignore this fact in favour of determination to wreck another game more and abuse leaderboarbs.

    It's not at all funny that a duo queue can easily manipulate match outcomes through various unhealthy measures.

    The skill rating gain/loss is solely based on your individual rating vs the opposing teams average rating.

    We know how amazing matchmaking is.
    You've never come across one sided games?

    Again the MM compensates by placing Duo Q players against higher rated players and gives those Duo Q players worse teammates, they get hit twice for the ability to play with their friend, and again it’s so hilarious that we are quite a few seasons in and players still don’t understand how the MM or Skill Rating actually work. And remember the rating between the two teams has a very low difference between each other.

    One sided games? Not normally unless someone intentionally afk/throws a match, or I am playing at the most complete dead play times like 2am in the morning.

    TLDR

    Duo Q players get paired with worse rated players and paired against better rated players.

    Oh and please explain how Duo Q players can Manipulate match outcome by unhealthy measures, this should be treat to hear.

    All else held equal, the team with voice communication should win against the team that does not. It is as simple as that. I dunno why people are trying to over complicate things. In addition, there is no evidence that duo players are paired with worse rated players.

    Except Ben P has stated how the MM chooses teams with Duos involved.... and states that they inflate the rating of the Duo Players and when they do that it makes their teammates be a lower rating to make the two teams average rating as close as possible....

  • BadMed.3846BadMed.3846 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @BadMed.3846 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:
    It’s funny that a lot of players still don’t know how the Matchmaker works, if players Duo their skill rating gets artificially inflated for matchmaking purposes to make the opposing team have higher rated players(in the majority of cases).

    It's even funnier that people don't understand the competitive edge duo queue provides. Matchmaking is not capable of estimating this effect.

    It's extremely funny that some people just blatantly ignore this fact in favour of determination to wreck another game more and abuse leaderboarbs.

    It's not at all funny that a duo queue can easily manipulate match outcomes through various unhealthy measures.

    The skill rating gain/loss is solely based on your individual rating vs the opposing teams average rating.

    We know how amazing matchmaking is.
    You've never come across one sided games?

    Again the MM compensates by placing Duo Q players against higher rated players and gives those Duo Q players worse teammates, they get hit twice for the ability to play with their friend, and again it’s so hilarious that we are quite a few seasons in and players still don’t understand how the MM or Skill Rating actually work. And remember the rating between the two teams has a very low difference between each other.

    One sided games? Not normally unless someone intentionally afk/throws a match, or I am playing at the most complete dead play times like 2am in the morning.

    TLDR

    Duo Q players get paired with worse rated players and paired against better rated players.

    Oh and please explain how Duo Q players can Manipulate match outcome by unhealthy measures, this should be treat to hear.

    All else held equal, the team with voice communication should win against the team that does not. It is as simple as that. I dunno why people are trying to over complicate things. In addition, there is no evidence that duo players are paired with worse rated players.

    Except Ben P has stated how the MM chooses teams with Duos involved.... and states that they inflate the rating of the Duo Players and when they do that it makes their teammates be a lower rating to make the two teams average rating as close as possible....

    That as close as possible bit....is where it all ends. It's not even close imo.

  • Sinful.2165Sinful.2165 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    Maybe I should've added another option to the poll 'remove chat box for ranked matches' because apparently communicating is an unfair advantage.

    As if two people on voice are going to steamroll the enemy by virtue of talking to each other.. the other three people on the team aren't in voice. There still has to be written communication to work together. Any possible advantage that could be garnered from two people in voice can also be had by anyone who pays close attention to the mini map at all times. You can see where the enemy is, you should be watching this even while dead and waiting to respawn so you can make good rotations.

    Ben has stated that the MMR went from 95% to 99% with the removal of duo queue - but at what cost? 4% increase at the expense of losing a big chunk of population because the only competitive game mode you can jump right into is strictly solo at 1,600+? It would be cool to see the population of when Ben took those numbers versus the population now. Arguably "better" MMR at the expense of fun. Not sure it was worth it.

    ATs are fun but too far and few between, unranked isn't an option for team play (get real with that argument).

    Also I won't name names but there's people who vote against this that have absolutely no business voting here. I've spoke to them myself, checked their rating. Interesting how people voting no don't post screen shots of their rating to give them a voice in the matter.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    If people wanna have "fun" and play with friends, I dont see whats the problem with playing on Unranked...anyway, either bring back Teamq, so we have both team and solo queue or just keep everything soloq only.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    If people wanna have "fun" and play with friends, I dont see whats the problem with playing on Unranked...anyway, either bring back Teamq, so we have both team and solo queue or just keep everything soloq only.

    Completely steamrolling new players 500-0 in unranked doesn't constitute as fun unless you like standing outside the enemy's spawn for the entire game cause they gave up under 2 minutes.

    So yeah, that's a problem.

  • rank eleven monk.9502rank eleven monk.9502 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    If people wanna have "fun" and play with friends, I dont see whats the problem with playing on Unranked...anyway, either bring back Teamq, so we have both team and solo queue or just keep everything soloq only.

    Completely steamrolling new players 500-0 in unranked doesn't constitute as fun unless you like standing outside the enemy's spawn for the entire game cause they gave up under 2 minutes.

    So yeah, that's a problem.

    First, you are not being matched with new players in unranked as it has it's own matchmaking system.
    Second, how is steamrolling others 500-0 in ranked more 'fun'?

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    Other, remove all team queuing from all game modes except AT where it belongs

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:
    If people wanna have "fun" and play with friends, I dont see whats the problem with playing on Unranked...anyway, either bring back Teamq, so we have both team and solo queue or just keep everything soloq only.

    Completely steamrolling new players 500-0 in unranked doesn't constitute as fun unless you like standing outside the enemy's spawn for the entire game cause they gave up under 2 minutes.

    So yeah, that's a problem.

    I see your point here, but lets be real, you are a top player, you aint gonna queue with your bronze friends(or will you?), you gonna queue with other top players...its just gonna be like AT are, you gonna steamroll most of your matches without trouble, the game dont have enough competitive players to support this, and the ones that are left probably gonna start queue dodging each other, and this had happened before...aint gonna talk about you, but lets be real, most of the "top" players just want easy wins and get their titles and stuff, otherwise, we wouldnt have wintrading be a thing, we wouldnt had queue dodge, people queueing on 4am or something, etc...the most exploited Seasons were when we had the ability to queue with other players, "top" players are the ones responsible for killing any chance of sPvP be something again...remenber the Guilds leaderboards? It was all the same guild, with same players just playing with diferent names lol

  • maxwelgm.4315maxwelgm.4315 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, implement duo queue for plat 2+

    I think the exactly current iteration of ranked (this very season) would have been better with duoQ up there on the top. Bear with me here, I'm not saying I want #1 and #2 players kicking kitten all day long, but rather that overall quality of matches would probably benefit from often having 2 knowledgeable players that also have a plan to play together on both teams. Matching two duos is great for the other 6 players in most cases, and all you have to do is preventing that 2 duos join the same team in general. Of course it was bonkers to play team and duoQ during bunker meta and other stuff, but in this burst scenario I think matches are just awful without at least 2 people previously coordinating.

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