PvP build without GS or Spellbreaker?

Is it possible to create a viable build without GS or Spellbreaker to compete in PvP?Looked at metabattle and every build have GS or spellbreaker...

mesmerNecroGuardianRanger

@"Hitman.5829" said:mesmerNecroGuardianRanger

take that as a "no"

I run a core warrior loads of fun, great 1v1.Right now I use mace/axe axe/shield.Now used to run hammer axe/axe which very cc and damage

Axe/shield, dagger/shield, hammer, sword/axe, axe/mace should all be viable either on core or on one of the E-Specs. YMMV depending on personal skill and the skill of your opponents, but that is the case with every build.

I know you mentioned exceptions to Spellbreaker, but the dagger/shield call out there is fairly good. You are right that there is a fair amount of GS, but with the new Berserker rollout you see more of them about albeit with GS/Rifles getting their Meme on.

Dag/axe - axe shield is a fun combo aswell.Dont think that meta is the best thing there is because youre able to make other stuff work aswell if you take the time to make a non meta build of your own which also surprises people because,they all expect meta.

Yeah, just find what works for you and what 'feels right.' Not everyone likes GS, and it certainly needs some quality of life updates. Hammer may not do as much damage per hit, but the shear amount of CC is lolz. Sword/Axe is another not-quite-meta weapon set that is fairly versatile. Sword2->Axe5, Axe4->Sword3 are very good combos on a power build. If you run sword I recommend going Berserker so you don't have a gimped F1, Flurry needs a massive update and Flaming Flurry from the Berserker E-Spec is useful even on a power build.

Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why gimp yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

Without Greatsword (but with Spellbreaker) you can try something like this:http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseSjMdQnHW2BuhApIWICM8gcR+Jr8FmebBjAwHsnB-jpxHABwfEAsvMAAPAg3PEADcCAMb/BA

It's not really good, but feels different and works somehow.

Also different (Core-Warrior):http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAseTjMdQnHW2BuhApIGICM9LM92CWA4D2zwTwL45B-jpBHQBpZ/hHeEAGwDAIflBAwhAwAnAAA

Edit: Use another rune and she GS trait in strength, is better ^_^

Ans you could try Berserker with Mace/Shield + Sword/Torch on condition.These are all just inspirations, there are a ton of build that work, depending on your skill and ranking :-)

But the best still is Greatsword+Spellbreaker and without that it is really hard to reach something in higher tiers.

I think if you don't want to run GS, you would 100% have to at least run spell breaker for dagger then so you can stay on targets and not get dumped on by immob spam.

Hammer Spellbreaker is a beast at boonrip and cc :+1:

You can play without GS, but you would not be competitive. I would highly recommend not to do that ranked. Unranked, you will be fine.

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

There is a great reason why ... because if your opponent sees you coming as a warrior with a GS ... he has a REALLY good idea of what you are going to do. That might work against scrubs at the lead level, but a pro will PWN you ...

So yeah, if you want play predicable against knowledgeable foes and lose, keep rocking the GS.

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

What? This doesn't even make sense. Rather than pick some trash weapon just change up how you play with the GS a little if you are concerned about predictability. And what? You think people don't know how hammer works? or mace? GS has been a warrior mainstay since 2012 for good reason, and it won't change until Anet buffs the trash tier weapons like mace and longbow.

@Girth.9731 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

I'm going to have to second this one. Don't play like a noob and blow things off CD.

@Girth.9731 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

Really? So if you don't pick GS ... you are trash? OK then. I guess we have a much different interpretation of how to make an effective build.

i'm not arguing GS isn't a mainstay; it's just predicable .. .and yes, if you play less known weapons, people are less likely to know how you will use it. Is PVP in GW2 so scripted that what you choose is more important that how you play it? That's what your post indicates. Is every other weapon SO deficient to GS that even if you play it in an unpredicatable manner, it can't win in capable hands?

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

Pretty sure that's not what he wrote/meant.

i'm not arguing GS isn't a mainstay; it's just predicable .. .and yes, if you play less known weapons, people are less likely to know how you will use it. Is PVP in GW2 so scripted that what you choose is more important that how you play it? That's what your post indicates.

You just said that gs "might work against scrubs at the lead level, but a pro will PWN you ...", sooo what you're saying is that a "pro" only knows 2 most used weapons per class and when you change the weap from the meta/fotm, it will make the same "pro player" confused about what it does? Ok then. Can't say I agree with that wanna-be argument though.It's also not about it "being scripted", but about what each of the weapons has to offer. Some options are better/more optimal than the others whether you like it or not.

@Sobx.1758 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

i'm not arguing GS isn't a mainstay; it's just predicable .. .and yes, if you play less known weapons, people are less likely to know how you will use it. Is PVP in GW2 so scripted that what you choose is more important that how you play it? That's what your post indicates.

It's a simply question here ... is everything so outclassed by GS that nothing else matters? Other weapons? Player skill? That's what I'm hearing from some people.

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Sobx.1758 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

i'm not arguing GS isn't a mainstay; it's just predicable .. .and yes, if you play less known weapons, people are less likely to know how you will use it. Is PVP in GW2 so scripted that what you choose is more important that how you play it? That's what your post indicates.

Of course the weapon isn't the only thing that matters. But the weapon choice and what it offers also does matter.

Sure, you are right it's not black and white. That's why I'm questioning. Clearly people think there is no competitive play if you don't use a GS ... if that's true, it indicates a situation in this game where choices of gear matter much more than player skill, knowledge, etc ... is that the case? is every other factor outclassed by choosing the right gear? In this discussion it's the GS.

I would like to think it's not, because other weapons are not so far away from the GS in terms of performance and effectiveness. GOOD competitive games ... gear is irrelevant actually. it's purely a question of player skill.

@Obtena.7952 said:Sure, you are right it's not black and white. That's why I'm questioning. Clearly people think there is no competitive play if you don't use a GS ... if that's true, it indicates a situation in this game where choices of gear matter much more than player skill, knowledge, etc ... is that the case? is every other factor outclassed by choosing the right gear? In this discussion it's the GS.

I would like to think it's not, because other weapons are not so far away from the GS in terms of performance and effectiveness. GOOD competitive games ... gear is irrelevant actually. it's purely a question of player skill.

Gw2 seems to have left this ideology.

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Girth.9731 said:Can it be done? Yes. But why? GS is the warrior's best weapon and SB its best spec. Why kitten yourself by using underpowered and outdated weapons and specs.

I understand your frustration though, its 2019 and fast hands still isnt baseline, Arms still sucks, mace is still laughably bad, sword F1 still does no damage, the list goes on.

Warrior has very little build diversity. If it wasn't for the interaction between Magebane Tether and Might Makes Right, warrior would literally not have a viable pvp build.

What makes you think that hammer, mace or axe are less predictable?! They are however much less useful. So GL with that.

Also, I am sure all these highly rated warriors in ranked and AT using GS/ dagger and shield are scrubs. They should should follow your advice and use.. hmm.. hammer?! I am sure they will be rocking hard in G3 instead of P3-legendary.

Since warrior right now is most effective as sidenoder and the teamfighting capabillities are rather meh, its necessary to move around the map quick, because rotations are everything in pvp.Alone for that reason gs will be the top weapon for warrior in pvp.

Other options are just so slow.

Edit: the "being predictable" - argument is kitten, because all warrior weapons clearly show what the heck the warrior is going to do, all their animations are telegraphed af, and ppl by now know very much what each of them does

@"RedShark.9548" said:Since warrior right now is most effective as sidenoder and the teamfighting capabillities are rather meh, its necessary to move around the map quick, because rotations are everything in pvp.Alone for that reason gs will be the top weapon for warrior in pvp.

Other options are just so slow.

Edit: the "being predictable" - argument is kitten, because all warrior weapons clearly show what the heck the warrior is going to do, all their animations are telegraphed af, and ppl by now know very much what each of them does

Yeah, I'd like fewer windups and tells honestly. Like, Backbreaker aught to come out quick. Final Thrust for that matter as well.

SO basically ... as long as your enemy knows what you are doing ... you just make the right choices and play them at the right time to do the best you can ... scripted PVP. I guess the OP has his answer then.