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LIs to Divinations exchange removed

So I guess we've lost the ability to exchange the limited number of Legendary Insights into Legendary Divinations with the latest patch? When I go to the general raid vendor, the only option I see is to exchange Divinations back into Insights. Which feels really gut-punching, because the only reason I never exchanged LIs before was because I didn't know how many I'd need for the ring and didn't want to buy more than necessary. Now I can't buy them at all.
Was there ever any heads-up from ANet that this is no longer going to be possible once the legendary ring is in the game?

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  • vyncius.6105vyncius.6105 Member ✭✭✭

    wing 7 glenna still exchanges li to ld

  • @vyncius.6105 said:
    wing 7 glenna still exchanges li to ld

    Certainly not for me. I only see the option to exchange Divinations into Insights, which is useless to me.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Peter Panda.5629 said:
    Was there ever any heads-up from ANet that this is no longer going to be possible once the legendary ring is in the game?

    No, quite the opposite. We have been assured that the option will remain open and won't go away at some point.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Peter Panda.5629Peter Panda.5629 Member ✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 I even remember that post. That's why I never bothered to cautiously exchange it. It's even worse now that you can exchange it the other way around. If they had stated that such change is coming, I would've exchanged the max ammount of LI before patch.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    I do hope this is an oversight. Not because I am personally interested in converting LI to LD (I have enough of both and would be elegible for exchanging 160+ LI into LD) but simply because past communication on this matter was always this trade would remain.

    One possibility is that there seems no current way to use LD for more than Coalescence (which requires 150 LD) and if this does not change all additional LD become useless (thus making an exchange necessary).

    The conversion of LD to LI creates a new problem though. With 25 possible LI per week (15 LI + 10 LD converted into LI) the time to acquire necessary LI drops significantly. Creating an even greater disparity in time to acquire legendary armor between game modes.

  • Vivi.3804Vivi.3804 Member ✭✭

    I want my LDs, get it backkkkk:(

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    I hope we don’t have to wait too much, we have been waiting 2 years to finish the ring and now this bug appears.

  • Are you sure they're removed? They will not appear for trade from Glenna if the insights are not in your inventory and have not completed an encounter in Hall of Chains.

  • Aretak.3826Aretak.3826 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    Edit: NVM looks like a bug.

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    Yes, I am absolutely sure the option to Exchange LI for LD has disappeared. Before the patch I could see the option to exchange when I had LI in my inventory and now I can’t. And I haven’t exchanged 168 LI yet.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    Thank goodness i hv exchanged mine :p i still have over 1k li unused after crafting 3 full sets of leg raid armours

    Im sure they will bring it back. It must have been an error not to include tht

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It would be nice to hear something from Anet on the issue, though.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    I do hope this is an oversight. Not because I am personally interested in converting LI to LD (I have enough of both and would be elegible for exchanging 160+ LI into LD) but simply because past communication on this matter was always this trade would remain.

    One possibility is that there seems no current way to use LD for more than Coalescence (which requires 150 LD) and if this does not change all additional LD become useless (thus making an exchange necessary).

    The conversion of LD to LI creates a new problem though. With 25 possible LI per week (15 LI + 10 LD converted into LI) the time to acquire necessary LI drops significantly. Creating an even greater disparity in time to acquire legendary armor between game modes.

    Doesnt it kinda balance out tho? U trade extra time on a weekly basis for more li which makes sense imo.

  • Here's a quick message from the developers:

    When we released The Mythwright Gambit raid wing, we introduced a limited means to exchange Legendary Insights for Legendary divinations. Alongside this most recent raid release, we have reversed this exchange. You can now exchange Legendary Divinations for Legendary Insights as many times as you’d like.

    We’re now at 7 raid wings and while Legendary Armor is still incredibly sought after, players may feel pressured to complete older raid content to get the required Legendary Insights. This change will allow you to make progress towards your legendary armor while participating in the most current raid content.


    Stéphane Lo Presti
    Content Marketing Manager

  • So, the devs straight up told us a bold face lie back in September? That's great of them.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/680435/#Comment_680435

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    We really need an answer if you are going to add it back. It was stated that the exchange had no time limit. So, adding the opposite exchange isn't a excuse for removing this one (which is besides the one we need right now).

  • very poor form changing that without warning... it was very welcome knowing the option was there for when it made sense to progress all the collections and convert those tokens. I hope ANet would consider reinstating this for at least a week or two to allow people who wanted to convert to do so.

  • kiroho.4738kiroho.4738 Member ✭✭

    I waited until I have enough LI to exchange all together, because they said there is no time limit.... now I got nothing. -.-

  • pompeiideath.9861pompeiideath.9861 Member
    edited June 13, 2019

    How do you just bring this out of the blue like that at least give us a week before you switch it so it can give players time to exchange them

  • Lelouch.3275Lelouch.3275 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    So I now can't have the max amount of LD because I listen to what anet said and get punished for it? Really cool. Even a simple heads up would have been enough. I mean it's not that hard if it is intentional. Guess I just won't be able to trust what dev are saying anymore.

  • knite.1542knite.1542 Member ✭✭✭

    We should give them the benefit of the doubt guys. They have never let us down before, this must be some sort of mistake. Let's just be patient and trust them.

    I'm not tanky, I just feel tanky.

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    Before last patch I didn't exchange my LI for LD because we didn't know how many LD were needed so I thought that it was better to wait. There was no reason to not wait becasue the statement was that there was no time limit for the exchange. If this statement was going to change, anet should have told us and let some weeks to exchange for the people who wanted.
    So, pls after all of this, add again the exchange at least for some weeks. Many people like me who could have got enough LD to craft the ring last week are really angry and I at least don't want to do raids 1 year more to get the ring. we have already done the work established to get the ring and now you are asking us to do it again. It is just not fair and I, at least, prefer to say good bye to the ring than do it all again.

  • xardan.2874xardan.2874 Member
    edited June 13, 2019

    I, as many others (others in this forum section also) have saved my LI to exchange them to the LD after legendary ring will be released, to know exact amount of LD i will need. But now devs saying that it was time limited option, when ~8 months ago devs told that exchange option will be permanent in game, until player will exchange 168 LI to LD. ( https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/680435/#Comment_680435 )

    How i should feel now? Excited that i need to grind 58 LD now doing wing5-wing7 when i dont have static? (and i even cant have static cus of my work schedule)
    No, im not excited.

    I feel betrayed by devs.

    Also, how i can trust anything devs will promise in future now?

    (Sorry for my poor english)

  • In Anet's respons to this thread they say "just a quick response". I still have hope that they'll make the right decision when they think about this further. At this moment I also do not see a reason for them to not bring it back, or at least for some short period of time. By removing it without a heads-up (and having promised that it would not be removed), some players who already exchanged it get an unfair advantage. In my opinion keeping the game fair for everyone is the most important thing a game company should do.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @xardan.2874 said:
    Also, how i can trust anything devs will promise in future now?

    relax, just forget that item and don't craft, like me.

  • now how many months ll take craft the ring? , not like this surprise
    pls revert the exchange back

  • I'm really, really hoping that it's a mistake that the original exchange is gone. If not, you've directly gone back on your word and screwed a lot of people out of being able to make the ring the way they planned, including me. Doing it at all is bad enough, doing it without warning is unacceptable. If the change is intended, give us back the original exchange for a limited time at least to let everyone who saved up do the exchange you promised us.

    "This change will allow you to make progress towards your legendary armor while participating in the most current raid content." On a related note, I don't understand this comment. The great part about GW2 is content doesn't necessarily become irrelevant through gear or levels. Those raid wings are still there, still a challenge, and still rewarding. Why would you want to force people away from them because they were released a longer time ago?

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    One question. What hesitate you to exchange it? Its been out for so long

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  • @Talindra.4958 said:
    One question. What hesitate you to exchange it? Its been out for so long

    Because we didn't know how many we'd need, there was no other use and at the time no way to change them back, and they directly said the exchange was permanent.

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    We didn't exchange because LI were useful and LD weren't so how many LI did we need to exchange? We couldn't know until coalescence was released but then was too late to exchange.
    I thought it was better to wait and use the LI I didn't need to exchange in another legendary armor piece. If I had spent 168 LI to get LD without waiting I could have had the opposite problem, too have too much LD and need LI instead. Moreover, there was no time limit, we couldn't know the exchange was going to be removed. Therefore, I thought this was the best although finally, I was wrong, as it seems.

  • Listen. Although I understand minds change, the original forum thread specifically mentioned there will be no time limit on the exchange, so to patch this change in without any warning doesn't feel good.
    As others have pointed out, we were waiting for the precise number of Divinations required for the ring, because as far as we had known at the time, divinations would've been usefull for crafting the ring only, whereas LIs can always be used for crafting other armor pieces. Not only was the playerbase not notified this option would be going away, nobody even gave us a heads-up that we will be able to exchange Divinations back into Insights. Had we known, none of us would've hesitated to exchange all our LIs.
    I hope I'm illustrating the problem we have with this change clearly enough.

    In principle, I'm not against this change, if it would've been communicated properly beforehand. But in this case, I believe it would be only fair to let us exchange the Insights before you remove the option permanently.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    But the whole pupose of that WAS, to pay back those consistently clear w5 which had been rewarded li instead of ld when they changed the currency reward for w5 late, and generously and simply allow everyone to exchange .IF players have been consistently clearing w5 since start, you have no issue meeting the requirement of 150. I havent done much (stop raid) since completion of all w6 achievements and i have ld more than req without counting the free converstion

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  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    I did a lot w5 when it was released and you know what? I did get many and many LI ( not LD). After LD were released I almost stopped doing raids so I got few LD. I could have exchanged to get many LD but remember that there was no time limit and I didn't need. So, it is not our fault that we didn't get LD when w5 was released and now to have lost the exchange wich had no time limit.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    I think ppl missunderstood the idea of this free conversion. Players need to physically do new wings to earn it. I didnt think they should have given players the free conversion so generously. Its just like li, leg armour, ppl need to do it or buy it. But nevertheless i do agree they should have informed

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  • @Talindra.4958 said:
    But the whole pupose of that WAS, to pay back those consistently clear w5 which had been rewarded li instead of ld when they changed the currency reward for w5 late, and generously and simply allow everyone to exchange .IF players have been consistently clearing w5 since start, you have no issue meeting the requirement of 150. I havent done much (stop raid) since completion of all w6 achievements and i have ld more than req without counting the free converstion

    The point was to "fix" the fact that w5 didn't launch with divinations (which wasn't a bug or anything, just them changing how they wanted to do the ring, which was fine). It wasn't about rewarding at all, it was about retroactively changing what the wing 5 bosses dropped in pretty much the only way they could.

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    But they did and the most important thing is to be fair with players. It is not fair than a player that last week exchanged his LI for LD can make now the ring and another one who didn't can do it.

  • Cronos.6532Cronos.6532 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Stephane Lo Presti.7258 said:
    Here's a quick message from the developers:

    When we released The Mythwright Gambit raid wing, we introduced a limited means to exchange Legendary Insights for Legendary divinations. Alongside this most recent raid release, we have reversed this exchange. You can now exchange Legendary Divinations for Legendary Insights as many times as you’d like.

    We’re now at 7 raid wings and while Legendary Armor is still incredibly sought after, players may feel pressured to complete older raid content to get the required Legendary Insights. This change will allow you to make progress towards your legendary armor while participating in the most current raid content.

    But are we getting LI to LDs back at all? I couldn't find the option in the vendor, so I never got around to it, then got pretty busy in real life and wasn't able to get my Hall of Chains LDs. RIP 168 deserved LDs


    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/680435/#Comment_680435


    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/680448/#Comment_680448


    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/680551/#Comment_680551

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  • Players who consistently clear all the wings each week are probably shrugging off this abrupt change in direction, but imagine being a player returning after some time away, drawn back because a new raid wing was released and the legendary ring is finally able to be completed, but who had not yet performed their limited volume exchange because they were assured it would not also be limited in duration. This is a great "welcome back" gift, well done.