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  • zombyturtle.5980zombyturtle.5980 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 16, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @zombyturtle.5980 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Farling.8075 said:
    Being rewarded for dedication is one of the core pillars of MMOs and this kind of entitlement and desire for instant gratification will just water down the experience in the end. I can still remember my Dhuum CM kill, because we trained and spent hours on the boss (probably around 400 tries), and it was very satisfying when we finally got the kill. And I don't think it would be fair for someone to just jump in game and do some menial tasks to get the same rewards as people who dedicate a lot of time and concentration in the game.

    Riiight. Beause people that killed a w5 boss before the exchange was introduced just "jumped in the game and did some menial tasks to get the same rewards as people that dedicated a lot of time and concentration in the game".
    Let's be honest, we're talking about at least semi-hardcore players either way. People with hundreds of raid kills behind them. Nice job, disparaging their efforts that way.

    I mean..doing river is basically a menial task. You can jump into it on any build or class and be successful, its not hard.

    While there is theoretically a possibility of someone doing escort 168 times and river once, it's probably only a fraction of a percentage of all people affected. You're trying to take some singular, extreme cases here and make it seem like it's the norm.
    Besides, how would that case differ from someone that did only river, week after week, since w5 was out? How was the second guy more dedicated?

    Also, you must have not seen the things i have seen on River.

    I was agreeing with the guy who said not all players should be entitled to rewards just because they bought the game. He was not disparaging work of existing raiders at all, just saying you should have to actually work at the content the reward is designed for in order to earn it and not have it given to you for something effortless, like completing river once.

    I think it was a mistake to add in the LI-> LD conversion in the first place with such a low requirement. Since its here though, it was 100% a terrible move to take it away with no warning. A better solution would be to have had the ring cost 250LD, although since you have to complete each boss once its not a huge deal.

    Also its not that rare to have 150 LI now, just from w4 b1-3 and escort.

  • Jude Lhogora.6917Jude Lhogora.6917 Member ✭✭
    edited June 16, 2019

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    I mean..doing river is basically a menial task. You can jump into it on any build or class and be successful, its not hard.

    While there is theoretically a possibility of someone doing escort 168 times and river once, it's probably only a fraction of a percentage of all people affected. You're trying to take some singular, extreme cases here and make it seem like it's the norm.
    Besides, how would that case differ from someone that did only river, week after week, since w5 was out? How was the second guy more dedicated?

    Also, you must have not seen the things i have seen on River.

    Actually no, you have to kill Desmina, River and Dhumm to complete the Coalescence n°1 and you have to kill Boss n°1 and Qadim for the n°2 and you have to kill all the bosses from W7 to complete the n°3. So, you have to do the raids no matter what at least one time, stop minimizing Coalescence...

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jude Lhogora.6917 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    I mean..doing river is basically a menial task. You can jump into it on any build or class and be successful, its not hard.

    While there is theoretically a possibility of someone doing escort 168 times and river once, it's probably only a fraction of a percentage of all people affected. You're trying to take some singular, extreme cases here and make it seem like it's the norm.
    Besides, how would that case differ from someone that did only river, week after week, since w5 was out? How was the second guy more dedicated?

    Also, you must have not seen the things i have seen on River.

    Actually no, you have to kill Desmina, River and Dhumm to complete the Coalescence n°1 and you have to kill Boss n°1 and Qadim for the n°2 and you have to kill all the bosses from W7 to complete the n°3. So, you have to do the raids no matter what at least one time, stop minimizing Coalescence...

    Thanks for proving my point for me.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jude Lhogora.6917 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    I mean..doing river is basically a menial task. You can jump into it on any build or class and be successful, its not hard.

    While there is theoretically a possibility of someone doing escort 168 times and river once, it's probably only a fraction of a percentage of all people affected. You're trying to take some singular, extreme cases here and make it seem like it's the norm.
    Besides, how would that case differ from someone that did only river, week after week, since w5 was out? How was the second guy more dedicated?

    Also, you must have not seen the things i have seen on River.

    Actually no, you have to kill Desmina, River and Dhumm to complete the Coalescence n°1 and you have to kill Boss n°1 and Qadim for the n°2 and you have to kill all the bosses from W7 to complete the n°3. So, you have to do the raids no matter what at least one time, stop minimizing Coalescence...

    and you have to complete both collections for wing 1-4 for the legendary armor. Yet there is people who barely did anything besides the easy W1-4 bosses/events for the required LI.

    How?

    By farming the LI and paying for the remaining required boss kills.

    Let's not mix requirements here please. The requirement of 150 LD and the collections is for the ring overall. The exchange was related to acquiring the required LD and has nothing to do with the collection requirement.

  • Arenanet did roll out a patch today fixing some ground targeting bug issues but didn't see the necessarity to bring back the LI->LD exchange... First you say you don't remove it. -> Remove it. Then you say you bring it back with the next patch. -> Don't bring it back with the next patch. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me I guess. Gonna take a break from the game for a while. After grinding timegated Skyscale and Vision and now grinding everything else for Coalesence I cba to face another 8 weeks timegate for the remaining LD... Thanks

  • if they don't get back the exchange, seems i will quit this kitten game. Anet just shut down the exchange with telling nothing?

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    Relax a bit, they told us they will bring them back in a future planned build ( not the first one), so probably tomorrow or next week at tuesday we should have them back. Although, some info about this would be great.

  • @Robles.7458 said:
    Relax a bit, they told us they will bring them back in a future planned build ( not the first one), so probably tomorrow or next week at tuesday we should have them back. Although, some info about this would be great.

    hopefully.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aiphaton.9381 said:
    Arenanet did roll out a patch today fixing some ground targeting bug issues but didn't see the necessarity to bring back the LI->LD exchange... First you say you don't remove it. -> Remove it. Then you say you bring it back with the next patch. -> Don't bring it back with the next patch. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me I guess. Gonna take a break from the game for a while. After grinding timegated Skyscale and Vision and now grinding everything else for Coalesence I cba to face another 8 weeks timegate for the remaining LD... Thanks

    Please remain factually correct. There was never a guarantee or announcement that the LI->LD exchange would come with this patch and even less with some minor bug fix patch.

    The only things announced was that the issue was getting looked into and the exchange might come back in a future patch.

  • it would be good if they returned the exchange. And then he passed me by( If only they returned the exchange.

  • Chelu.2095Chelu.2095 Member ✭✭

    Can we get a status update? When can we expect to be able to exchange again? Some people are very unhappy because they cant finish the ring. A little less vague then a future update would be wonderful.

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    Today, I have been answered in my ticket about this. I did it 8 days ago in Spanish before we were told that the exchange would come back. And now I am told in my ticket that they can’t bring the exchange back as I asked them. I really hope the Spanish GM which has answered to me is wrong about this and what has been told here about bringing the exchange back is true. However, this only shows me a lack of communication if different people say opposite things.

  • Wic.1486Wic.1486 Member

    @Robles.7458 said:
    Today, I have been answered in my ticket about this. I did it 8 days ago in Spanish before we were told that the exchange would come back. And now I am told in my ticket that they can’t bring the exchange back as I asked them. I really hope the Spanish GM which has answered to me is wrong about this and what has been told here about bringing the exchange back is true. However, this only shows me a lack of communication if different people say opposite things.

    In my english ticket they responded me 4 days ago that it will come back

    This option will actually be added back in in a future build, though I don't have an exact ETA:
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/951759#Comment_951759

    So I'm still trying to be positive that it will come back soon, because removing the exchange right when there is finally use for it... idk, this can't be unintentional if you think about it.

  • so any news that is? when will it return? GM?

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 21, 2019

    Why don't you wait for a patch day? It's not like it will return on a day other than a Tuesday.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2019

    @Rubi Bayer.8493 said:
    After talking to the team, we want to make clear that we intended to communicate this change before the update so that the community is aware. Unfortunately this didn’t happen and we apologize for this miscommunication.

    The team is now looking into bringing back this conversion option via the vendor. This functionality will be brought back in a future planned build and we are not planning to remove it again.

    Just for clarification:

    We’ll be able to convert LI -> LD and LD -> LI permanently?

    If the ability to exchange them back and forth permanently is true, will there still be a cap of 168 exchanges for LI -> LD?

  • Robles.7458Robles.7458 Member ✭✭

    This is great news. Well done! I know people who couldn't use the temporarily exchange because they didn't have LI right now, so many will be grateful for this.
    Now if the exchange could be added soon it would be even better.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 24, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If the ability to exchange them back and forth permanently is true, will there still be a cap of 168 exchanges for LI -> LD?

    I'm sure they will just return the exchange to what it was before it got removed. Making it uncapped would make no sense - it would be easier to just merge LDs into LIs.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    If the ability to exchange them back and forth permanently is true, will there still be a cap of 168 exchanges for LI -> LD?

    I'm sure they will just return the exchange to what it was before it got removed. Making it uncapped would make no sense - it would be easier to just merge LDs into LIs.

    I figured that too but figured it couldn’t hurt to ask just to make sure.

  • Any news ?

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jude Lhogora.6917 said:
    Any news ?

    Scroll up?

  • Cronos.6532Cronos.6532 Member ✭✭✭

    Hope has returned

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  • @Rubi Bayer.8493 said:
    After talking to the team, we want to make clear that we intended to communicate this change before the update so that the community is aware. Unfortunately this didn’t happen and we apologize for this miscommunication.

    The team is now looking into bringing back this conversion option via the vendor. This functionality will be brought back in a future planned build and we are not planning to remove it again.

    Thank you for the communication. <3

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Rubi Bayer.8493 said:
    After talking to the team, we want to make clear that we intended to communicate this change before the update so that the community is aware. Unfortunately this didn’t happen and we apologize for this miscommunication.

    The team is now looking into bringing back this conversion option via the vendor. This functionality will be brought back in a future planned build and we are not planning to remove it again.

    Just for clarification:

    We’ll be able to convert LI -> LD and LD -> LI permanently?

    If the ability to exchange them back and forth permanently is true, will there still be a cap of 168 exchanges for LI -> LD?

    [SPECULATION] Since they removed the previous option, they might have actually removed the way it was tracked/capped at 168... So everyone eligible might get a fresh 168 cap :o

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  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Jude Lhogora.6917 said:
    Any news ?

    Scroll up?

    And ? They said it will be back, but not when, so we still are on the same point.

    PS : thank you I know how to read...

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jude Lhogora.6917 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Jude Lhogora.6917 said:
    Any news ?

    Scroll up?

    And ? They said it will be back, but not when, so we still are on the same point.

    PS : thank you I know how to read...

    Also said it would be permanent not time limited

  • I hope after all this drama they include it in the Dragon Bash update today so players can finally get their Coalesence after waiting for almost 2 years ^-^

  • Exchange is back on the vendor, appears to still be limited in quantity but that's fair.

  • Praise Anet, the exchange is back.
    I'm surprised they decided to not limit it by time again, but I guess if there's no other use for the currency and possibly won't ever be, I guess it only make sense.
    So thank you again, ArenaNet, for handling the situation so reasonably quick and unmaking the unfortunate miscommunication :)