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  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if we get another balance patch soon. If I remember correctly, the last one was around 2 months ago?

  • Regon Phoenix.8215Regon Phoenix.8215 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    Most likely some of lead developers are playing some characters, but they can't play them well, so they buff those classes/elites they play.
    For example now and few previous paths ago (or maybe since even path of fire was released) developers are playing these:

    • Some kind of mesmer
    • Soulbeast
    • Holosmith
    • Spellbreaker

    However, a little bit ago is seems one of them dropped mesmer, so it got a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny nerf.
    Yet, is it seems like they aren't gonna drop playing other three, so they will still remain brokenly OP. And even if some might drop one class and start playing other class, then that new class will become brokenly OP, because developers suck at playing their own game, so they need to "rebalance" their own classes.

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    Like....if making grandmaster traits useless
    Nerfing trait lines and removing choices
    Nerfing weapon skills repeatedly.
    Nerfing utilities and elite skills repeatedly
    is a tiny tiny tiny nerf then I would love to see what the other classes are getting.

    And yet, mesmer still can 1shot people from stealth. It still can dance around creating tons of clones, applying tons of conditions and heal itself more than most of other classes. It can still bunker a point forever against any other class.

    So, because it is still as broken as it was bore, i call any nerf to it as a "tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny" one. If something is just as much broken after nerf as it was before it, then is that nerf was actually a nerf?

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?

    Probably silver, seen him in unranked few times begging to report everyone because he is bad.
    If other classes get such "tiny tiny tiny nerfs" traits deleted/nerfed up to 75% as mesmer... they would be on the way of finding a new game alrdy.

  • Zawn.9647Zawn.9647 Member ✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Like....if making grandmaster traits useless
    Nerfing trait lines and removing choices
    Nerfing weapon skills repeatedly.
    Nerfing utilities and elite skills repeatedly
    is a tiny tiny tiny nerf then I would love to see what the other classes are getting.

    And yet, mesmer still can 1shot people from stealth. It still can dance around creating tons of clones, applying tons of conditions and heal itself more than most of other classes. It can still bunker a point forever against any other class.

    So, because it is still as broken as it was bore, i call any nerf to it as a "tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny" one. If something is just as much broken after nerf as it was before it, then is that nerf was actually a nerf?

    In terms of Spvp. Since that is where most things are balanced around.

    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.
    It's always been able to create clones. This simply becomes a L2P situation.
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue. Like their is a reason this build is only effective in silver tiers cause people don't know what a cleanse is apparently.
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.
    If a mesmer bunker is stalling you out that is a severe L2P issue. Especially since the things that allowed it to bunker were nerfed. Hard.
    Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?
    Or are you talking about WvW? Where literally nothing is balanced because it's a mix of PvE?
    Edit: and because you keep saying mesmer and not mentioning any elite spec I am assuming you are talking about core. If you are talking about a specific elite spec please specify.

    wrong. it can 1shot a holosmith that's not glass. it can ALMOST oneshot a necro who has a big hp pool... the burst is huge

    no classes can clear the sheer amount of condis a mirage can deliver. torment, burning, bleeding and confusion through the roof... i can clear my condis and get them all back in less than 3s later (that's if im playing warrior who can cleanses everything with Shake it off)

    the main thing that allows mesmer to unpunished is the core mechanic. i mean, yeah its a L2P issue. but it still confuses anyone having like 576 mesmers on your screen that also dodges like the real one and uses the ambush attack afterwards... the clones should be something to help mesmer deal damage/conditions, not fill my screen until i dont even know who am i

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.

    Since when +20 HP War/Herald/Necro/Ranger counts as glass?

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue.

    Nah. Mesmer is brokenly OP. If you can't perform, then it is L2P issue. If you can't 1v3 and kill all 3 of them, then you should L2P. If anyhting, then mesmer should be nerfed heavily. If you disagree, then you should L2P mesmer, because it is obviously over-tuned if you know how to play it.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.

    Nah, you can't bunker forever. You should L2P how to bunker with mesmer forever.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @Zawn.9647 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Like....if making grandmaster traits useless
    Nerfing trait lines and removing choices
    Nerfing weapon skills repeatedly.
    Nerfing utilities and elite skills repeatedly
    is a tiny tiny tiny nerf then I would love to see what the other classes are getting.

    And yet, mesmer still can 1shot people from stealth. It still can dance around creating tons of clones, applying tons of conditions and heal itself more than most of other classes. It can still bunker a point forever against any other class.

    So, because it is still as broken as it was bore, i call any nerf to it as a "tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny" one. If something is just as much broken after nerf as it was before it, then is that nerf was actually a nerf?

    In terms of Spvp. Since that is where most things are balanced around.

    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.
    It's always been able to create clones. This simply becomes a L2P situation.
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue. Like their is a reason this build is only effective in silver tiers cause people don't know what a cleanse is apparently.
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.
    If a mesmer bunker is stalling you out that is a severe L2P issue. Especially since the things that allowed it to bunker were nerfed. Hard.
    Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?
    Or are you talking about WvW? Where literally nothing is balanced because it's a mix of PvE?
    Edit: and because you keep saying mesmer and not mentioning any elite spec I am assuming you are talking about core. If you are talking about a specific elite spec please specify.

    wrong. it can 1shot a holosmith that's not glass. it can ALMOST oneshot a necro who has a big hp pool... the burst is huge

    It doesnt oneshot passive carried holos even when they go afk, not to count power mesmer have not a single chance against holo. Talking about how is big burst on full zerk yolo build? Any class can do the same, shocking surprise,isnt it?

    no classes can clear the sheer amount of condis a mirage can deliver. torment, burning, bleeding and confusion through the roof... i can clear my condis and get them all back in less than 3s later (that's if im playing warrior who can cleanses everything with Shake it off)

    Firebrand,scrapper,holo, warrior built for resistance dont care what condi mirage can do. No one :joy:

    the main thing that allows mesmer to unpunished is the core mechanic. i mean, yeah its a L2P issue. but it still confuses anyone having like 576 mesmers on your screen that also dodges like the real one and uses the ambush attack afterwards... the clones should be something to help mesmer deal damage/conditions, not fill my screen until i dont even know who am i

    Oh... ANOTHER clone complaint, thanks for letting us know that your opinion worth basically nothing.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2019

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.

    Since when +20 HP War/Herald/Necro/Ranger counts as glass?

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue.

    Nah. Mesmer is brokenly OP. If you can't perform, then it is L2P issue. If you can't 1v3 and kill all 3 of them, then you should L2P. If anyhting, then mesmer should be nerfed heavily. If you disagree, then you should L2P mesmer, because it is obviously over-tuned if you know how to play it.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.

    Nah, you can't bunker forever. You should L2P how to bunker with mesmer forever.

    This dude is such a comedy :joy:
    How arent you embarrassed to post anything like this with all seriousness?

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.

    Since when +20 HP War/Herald/Necro/Ranger counts as glass?

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue.

    Nah. Mesmer is brokenly OP. If you can't perform, then it is L2P issue. If you can't 1v3 and kill all 3 of them, then you should L2P. If anyhting, then mesmer should be nerfed heavily. If you disagree, then you should L2P mesmer, because it is obviously over-tuned if you know how to play it.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.

    Nah, you can't bunker forever. You should L2P how to bunker with mesmer forever.

    Yea this entire post pretty much confirms my suspicions.
    We are playing at to vastly different skill levels
    Where I am playing with and against people of plat rank and higher you are stuck in a loop of silver and bronze.
    So it's actually pointless to debate the ranking of classes when at your level everything is powerful. I'm betting you are having problems with fresh air base ele down their too.> @Zawn.9647 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Like....if making grandmaster traits useless
    Nerfing trait lines and removing choices
    Nerfing weapon skills repeatedly.
    Nerfing utilities and elite skills repeatedly
    is a tiny tiny tiny nerf then I would love to see what the other classes are getting.

    And yet, mesmer still can 1shot people from stealth. It still can dance around creating tons of clones, applying tons of conditions and heal itself more than most of other classes. It can still bunker a point forever against any other class.

    So, because it is still as broken as it was bore, i call any nerf to it as a "tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny" one. If something is just as much broken after nerf as it was before it, then is that nerf was actually a nerf?

    In terms of Spvp. Since that is where most things are balanced around.

    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.
    It's always been able to create clones. This simply becomes a L2P situation.
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue. Like their is a reason this build is only effective in silver tiers cause people don't know what a cleanse is apparently.
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.
    If a mesmer bunker is stalling you out that is a severe L2P issue. Especially since the things that allowed it to bunker were nerfed. Hard.
    Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?
    Or are you talking about WvW? Where literally nothing is balanced because it's a mix of PvE?
    Edit: and because you keep saying mesmer and not mentioning any elite spec I am assuming you are talking about core. If you are talking about a specific elite spec please specify.

    wrong. it can 1shot a holosmith that's not glass.

    In a 1 v1 scenario Holo has a straight advantage vs power mesmer. It is no contest what so ever. The varient of holo that I run and is popular can eat burst then re heal itself to full health. So if someone is getting losing as a holosmith to a power mes then the holo smith needs to re-evaluate themselves.

    no classes can clear the sheer amount of condis a mirage can deliver. torment, burning, bleeding and confusion through the roof... i can clear my condis and get them all back in less than 3s later (that's if im playing warrior who can cleanses everything with Shake it off)

    We had this discussion a while back. I believe it was @mortrialus.3062 who made the note. A spellbreaker has had the tools to stall out condimirage when it was at it's prime. Those tools have not been touched.

    the main thing that allows mesmer to unpunished is the core mechanic. i mean, yeah its a L2P issue. but it still confuses anyone having like 576 mesmers on your screen that also dodges like the real one and uses the ambush attack afterwards... the clones should be something to help mesmer deal damage/conditions, not fill my screen until i dont even know who am i

    The game gives you and option to make getting lost in clones literally impossible. This speaks volumes about your level of play if you havent learned or figured out who the real mesmer is.

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.

    Since when +20 HP War/Herald/Necro/Ranger counts as glass?

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue.

    Nah. Mesmer is brokenly OP. If you can't perform, then it is L2P issue. If you can't 1v3 and kill all 3 of them, then you should L2P. If anyhting, then mesmer should be nerfed heavily. If you disagree, then you should L2P mesmer, because it is obviously over-tuned if you know how to play it.

    @Solori.6025 said:
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.

    Nah, you can't bunker forever. You should L2P how to bunker with mesmer forever.

    This dude is such a comedy :joy:
    How arent you embarrassed to post anything like this with all seriousness?

    Because nobody should be ashamed to state what is real, no matter what delusional people might say.

  • @Solori.6025 said:
    Yea this entire post pretty much confirms my suspicions.
    We are playing at to vastly different skill levels

    Really? And you assumed that because of your imaginary superior abilities?

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Where I am playing with and against people of plat rank

    Firstly, that matter as much as you hair color. Secondly, it must be fun to live in imaginary world.

    Is t quite fascinating top observe how people like you think. Firstly, your only argument why mesmer isn't broken anymore was "L2P", which isn't an argument in any way, shape or form in this or any other planet ever. Secondly, now you shifted to "buuuh your bronze, i pley byyter then your". I can't wait to see what other "arguments" you will present.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:
    no matter what delusional people might say.

    Basically no matter what you might say ... Ok

  • Jack.8124Jack.8124 Member ✭✭

    Mesmer right now need big buff, everybody knows it...
    Is completly kitten to play PvP as a mesmer right now, there is not a decend build to play, and there isn't good skills to play (remember old portal times..)

  • Ultramex.1506Ultramex.1506 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2019

    @Solori.6025 said:
    You can find the real mesmer every time after stealth from the buffs they have- health lost-signets AND the way they move and attack.

    And food/utility/celebration booster =)

  • Zawn.9647Zawn.9647 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Zawn.9647 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:
    Like....if making grandmaster traits useless
    Nerfing trait lines and removing choices
    Nerfing weapon skills repeatedly.
    Nerfing utilities and elite skills repeatedly
    is a tiny tiny tiny nerf then I would love to see what the other classes are getting.

    And yet, mesmer still can 1shot people from stealth. It still can dance around creating tons of clones, applying tons of conditions and heal itself more than most of other classes. It can still bunker a point forever against any other class.

    So, because it is still as broken as it was bore, i call any nerf to it as a "tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny" one. If something is just as much broken after nerf as it was before it, then is that nerf was actually a nerf?

    In terms of Spvp. Since that is where most things are balanced around.

    It can 1shot when playing full glass vs a full glass low health target.
    It's always been able to create clones. This simply becomes a L2P situation.
    It's condition build has already been severely nerfed. If you still have issues with this, this is also a L2P issue. Like their is a reason this build is only effective in silver tiers cause people don't know what a cleanse is apparently.
    It cant bunker forever vs any other class. Spellbreaker, Holo, scrapper, and FB can sustain points much longer. Herald and good Sw/D thieves have advantage.
    If a mesmer bunker is stalling you out that is a severe L2P issue. Especially since the things that allowed it to bunker were nerfed. Hard.
    Like what tier of Pvp are you stuck in?
    Or are you talking about WvW? Where literally nothing is balanced because it's a mix of PvE?
    Edit: and because you keep saying mesmer and not mentioning any elite spec I am assuming you are talking about core. If you are talking about a specific elite spec please specify.

    wrong. it can 1shot a holosmith that's not glass. it can ALMOST oneshot a necro who has a big hp pool... the burst is huge

    It doesnt oneshot passive carried holos even when they go afk, not to count power mesmer have not a single chance against holo. Talking about how is big burst on full zerk yolo build? Any class can do the same, shocking surprise,isnt it?

    no classes can clear the sheer amount of condis a mirage can deliver. torment, burning, bleeding and confusion through the roof... i can clear my condis and get them all back in less than 3s later (that's if im playing warrior who can cleanses everything with Shake it off)

    Firebrand,scrapper,holo, warrior built for resistance dont care what condi mirage can do. No one :joy:

    the main thing that allows mesmer to unpunished is the core mechanic. i mean, yeah its a L2P issue. but it still confuses anyone having like 576 mesmers on your screen that also dodges like the real one and uses the ambush attack afterwards... the clones should be something to help mesmer deal damage/conditions, not fill my screen until i dont even know who am i

    Oh... ANOTHER clone complaint, thanks for letting us know that your opinion worth basically nothing.

    well if you find clones fair, thanks for letting us know that your opinion is worth nothing :)

  • @otto.5684 said:

    @TheBravery.9615 said:

    Body is 10 characters too short.

    You know that Anet has 250 to 300 employees right? And you know that most of these employees work on just one area and have fixed schedules, right? Like, you know, a company...

    If nerf elementalist looks like that, then thief probably is completely painted with darts and then some

  • Ganathar.4956Ganathar.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497 said:

    @otto.5684 said:

    @TheBravery.9615 said:

    Body is 10 characters too short.

    You know that Anet has 250 to 300 employees right? And you know that most of these employees work on just one area and have fixed schedules, right? Like, you know, a company...

    If nerf elementalist looks like that, then thief probably is completely painted with darts and then some

    Not quite. Ele still gets a huge amount of nerfs. The difference is that nowadays ele nerfs are disguised as "buffs".

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ^^ Don't get too excited. Based on what 99% of people say on the forums, most of you don't get what Anet want anyways. You wouldn't last a day.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/