Brimstone Jack.3462

Seriously? Minions are your big gripe here? You can't cc, avoid, or kill minions? Or just face tank them? Even fully powered with shades, minions shouldn't be giving you that much trouble. Seriously, they don't have a return command. Lure them a few hundred feet away and bum rush their necro. It'll take about a month for them to catch up. I'll go easier on you next time, bud. <3

Or you could use sigils and stop trying to face tank condi builds when you know they'll melt your face off.

Unless you're carrying as solo queue, you don't need to even look at chat until gold 2. Especially as scourge, who are a lot more viable since they restored shade self-cast and can basically faceroll in team fights while still cranking out decent numbers.

Someone doesn't move for 20 secs - OMG REPORT BOT Uh, yeah. You deserve to b reported for botting/afk if you leave for twenty seconds during a match.

During the season start placement rush, players that can carry teams, team-queues, and condi bunkers will do really well, and you're playing with all of them right now. The bunkers will trickle back down quickly as the season progresses and skill levels separate. Things then balance out after a while.

People who think pvp needs to be balanced around middle or low-tier play. The idea that a product should be optimized around people who don't know how to use it is ridiculous. Fortunately, they're easy to point out. They're the ones complaining that their meta build from 5 seasons ago can't face-tank every build in the game anymore.

"I've only seen bots in 3v3, lowest tier." Yeah, I can't take anything you say seriously after this. I really wish there was a block feature here.

You saying the system can't handle it?Already played 8v8, it was smooth. Don't make statements about this game can't handle it when the game was originally designed for it. Are you mad because you don't know the difference between what a game was designed for and what it's currently optimized for? Or because you didn't know there's an add-on that does this already? Either way, you're wrong, your statement is wrong, and your attempt at coming off as superior just made you sound angry and childish.

8v8 these days pretty much means you need to be running the game in dx12.

I enjoy the uprooted meta. It's not around long, and it's fun playing classes most people write off as memes or low-tier.

My apologies. Legitimately not my intention to misgender anyone. If your system runs the game perfectly, why are you looking for performance-boosting adds? In crowded places and places that load new assets, there's a HUGE difference. High settings run like a dream even in the most crowded places like Lion's Arch.

I love minion-mancer downstate. People run to get away from that mess. Minions hit hard when you're trying to hit the necro, who's also hitting hard. XD

"Small performance boost" Found the guy who plays on low settings!

"GIVE ME MORE STUFF FOR NO REASON!"

I'm pretty bad. Ranked keeps me in mostly pretty even matches compared to unranked.

With this logic, give me the old damage on rampage, since you can run away or line of sight it. (There is a reason I had the disclaimer on this topic for this kind of post). Lich form is very easy to cheese, I have also seen a huge number of players abusing the Ripple of Horror into Deathly Claws while under quickness. Skills should not be in the game which have insane damage procs. I completely dissagree with the design of giving a win button to classes (like the oldschool rampage was (10k homing throw rock crits)). I'll add this disclaimer again: TOPIC DISCLAIMER - THIS IS NOT AN INVITE FOR PEOPLE TO POST 'LINE OF SIGHT THEM' OR 'ITS EASY TO COUNTER' * *this skill is beyond defending in its current state (same with a few one trick ponies that are still in the game)"DON'T MENTION ANY OF THE MILLION THINGS THAT COUNTER OR NEUTRALIZE LICH, DANGIT! IT'S DAMNING TO MY BASELESS ASSERTION THAT THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE GODS WHO NEED TO BE 99% NERFED AND HAVE THEIR ACCOUNTS BANNED!!!" If I can survive lich with a scourge minion-mancer, you have no excuse. I literally just use LOS and dodges with barrier and carapace, same as always. And I suck, so I'm not outplaying anyone with my no-mobility build. Stay alive for 10 seconds MAYBE 3 times a game. That's it. Hyperbolic much? It's not a baseless assertion when 3 hits from a Lich will kill just about everything. Oh, you're hyper toughness and barrier loaded build survived it? Congrats, anyone else who doesn't have a projectile block gets dumpstered. Also, this isn't the Arena; instant LoS access isn't always available and sometimes the shots will just ignore the object and hit you around them anyway. How about we make lich not get ruined by projectile blocks but not destroy anything that doesn't save one specifically for Lich? In other words, no build should have hard counters? I disagree. This game would be boooooooring with that type of homogenization. Lich form isn't a build. It’s a specific Gm talent that is based off a power build. Once again this talent has so much counter play already it isn’t even funny. The entire ideology of the op is a large reason why this game mode has gotten so stale. There is a huge lack of build diversity already in this game mode and posts like these just further that problem...... One of the reasons build diversity is such trash is because of things like Lich form. The other options are either bad or just wildly inferior, making them mandatory, and because of this opposing builds have to bring specific tools at all times to deal with it or risk it running over their team. This turns the extremely powerful tool that's being countered useless and it becomes the same song and dance every time: Lich Form - Projectile Block = Wasted Elite, or Lich Form - No Projectile Block = Dead Team. Build diversity would improve dramatically if so much stuff wasn't hard countered by so much else and rendered useless. This would also mean the things being countered have no excuse to be absolutely busted in the situations they aren't made useless. We have a much longer list of useless or unviable skills vs good and viable ones. Sometimes it's bad design, more often it's the better skills invalidating all elseIt really boils down to whether you prefer the rock-paper-scissors approach to balance or the everybody-fares-the-same-against-everybody approach. There's merit in both options. I just prefer the former.

With this logic, give me the old damage on rampage, since you can run away or line of sight it. (There is a reason I had the disclaimer on this topic for this kind of post). Lich form is very easy to cheese, I have also seen a huge number of players abusing the Ripple of Horror into Deathly Claws while under quickness. Skills should not be in the game which have insane damage procs. I completely dissagree with the design of giving a win button to classes (like the oldschool rampage was (10k homing throw rock crits)). I'll add this disclaimer again: TOPIC DISCLAIMER - THIS IS NOT AN INVITE FOR PEOPLE TO POST 'LINE OF SIGHT THEM' OR 'ITS EASY TO COUNTER' * *this skill is beyond defending in its current state (same with a few one trick ponies that are still in the game)"DON'T MENTION ANY OF THE MILLION THINGS THAT COUNTER OR NEUTRALIZE LICH, DANGIT! IT'S DAMNING TO MY BASELESS ASSERTION THAT THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE GODS WHO NEED TO BE 99% NERFED AND HAVE THEIR ACCOUNTS BANNED!!!" If I can survive lich with a scourge minion-mancer, you have no excuse. I literally just use LOS and dodges with barrier and carapace, same as always. And I suck, so I'm not outplaying anyone with my no-mobility build. Stay alive for 10 seconds MAYBE 3 times a game. That's it. Hyperbolic much? It's not a baseless assertion when 3 hits from a Lich will kill just about everything. Oh, you're hyper toughness and barrier loaded build survived it? Congrats, anyone else who doesn't have a projectile block gets dumpstered. Also, this isn't the Arena; instant LoS access isn't always available and sometimes the shots will just ignore the object and hit you around them anyway. How about we make lich not get ruined by projectile blocks but not destroy anything that doesn't save one specifically for Lich? In other words, no build should have hard counters? I disagree. This game would be boooooooring with that type of homogenization. Lich form isn't a build.I'm not sure if you're trying to deliberately miss the point here.

Listen good. Would you share your build with me? TYIt's the Vallun scourge zoo build.http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?PSAFcsFaYZBMK2EriNinqk/7H-z5AfKZKE6VEkwCoiJgXGA

I enjoy Scourge's team-buffing abilities and tankiness. Plus, specing for the pets to be at their best means lich and shroud aren't very strong, dps-wise.

With this logic, give me the old damage on rampage, since you can run away or line of sight it. (There is a reason I had the disclaimer on this topic for this kind of post). Lich form is very easy to cheese, I have also seen a huge number of players abusing the Ripple of Horror into Deathly Claws while under quickness. Skills should not be in the game which have insane damage procs. I completely dissagree with the design of giving a win button to classes (like the oldschool rampage was (10k homing throw rock crits)). I'll add this disclaimer again: TOPIC DISCLAIMER - THIS IS NOT AN INVITE FOR PEOPLE TO POST 'LINE OF SIGHT THEM' OR 'ITS EASY TO COUNTER' * *this skill is beyond defending in its current state (same with a few one trick ponies that are still in the game)"DON'T MENTION ANY OF THE MILLION THINGS THAT COUNTER OR NEUTRALIZE LICH, DANGIT! IT'S DAMNING TO MY BASELESS ASSERTION THAT THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE GODS WHO NEED TO BE 99% NERFED AND HAVE THEIR ACCOUNTS BANNED!!!" If I can survive lich with a scourge minion-mancer, you have no excuse. I literally just use LOS and dodges with barrier and carapace, same as always. And I suck, so I'm not outplaying anyone with my no-mobility build. Stay alive for 10 seconds MAYBE 3 times a game. That's it. Hyperbolic much? It's not a baseless assertion when 3 hits from a Lich will kill just about everything. Oh, you're hyper toughness and barrier loaded build survived it? Congrats, anyone else who doesn't have a projectile block gets dumpstered. Also, this isn't the Arena; instant LoS access isn't always available and sometimes the shots will just ignore the object and hit you around them anyway. How about we make lich not get ruined by projectile blocks but not destroy anything that doesn't save one specifically for Lich?In other words, no build should have hard counters? I disagree. This game would be boooooooring with that type of homogenization.

With this logic, give me the old damage on rampage, since you can run away or line of sight it. (There is a reason I had the disclaimer on this topic for this kind of post). Lich form is very easy to cheese, I have also seen a huge number of players abusing the Ripple of Horror into Deathly Claws while under quickness. Skills should not be in the game which have insane damage procs. I completely dissagree with the design of giving a win button to classes (like the oldschool rampage was (10k homing throw rock crits)). I'll add this disclaimer again: TOPIC DISCLAIMER - THIS IS NOT AN INVITE FOR PEOPLE TO POST 'LINE OF SIGHT THEM' OR 'ITS EASY TO COUNTER' * *this skill is beyond defending in its current state (same with a few one trick ponies that are still in the game)"DON'T MENTION ANY OF THE MILLION THINGS THAT COUNTER OR NEUTRALIZE LICH, DANGIT! IT'S DAMNING TO MY BASELESS ASSERTION THAT THEY ARE UNSTOPPABLE GODS WHO NEED TO BE 99% NERFED AND HAVE THEIR ACCOUNTS BANNED!!!" If I can survive lich with a scourge minion-mancer, you have no excuse. I literally just use LOS and dodges with barrier and carapace, same as always. And I suck, so I'm not outplaying anyone with my no-mobility build. Stay alive for 10 seconds MAYBE 3 times a game. That's it.

They're finally fun to play again now that scourge was fixed. Won't be topping plat or anything, but they aren't totally worthless now and work great for capping (if spec'd for speed above threshold) with some decent tankiness, plus buffs for team fighting. And they annoy the shit out of people trying to kite away from a team fight. And for passively killing downed fighters, you can't go wrong with a pack of minions.

So, the biggest argument I'm still seeing is that for a few seconds a couple times a match people can't just facetank necros spec'd into lich?

I main a scourge minion build right now, lol. Swing and a miss, boss. I don't know why you keep mentioning me and feel addressed, when I haven't even talked to you once and simply said what needs to be done - that's what I call swing and miss lmao Anet - please, don't fall for the proposed "rEaL nUrFs" and just make the auto attack melee, cut the damage by 50%, disable Lich to Shroud and remove that unblockable fear, there is no place for a win button like that in the game - thank you - the whole community :] Because you keep making ridiculously generalized statements in a thread I created? Also, that graphic tells me that the problem is with Reaper, not lich. Maybe pick a better one?

I main a scourge minion build right now, lol. Swing and a miss, boss.