Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Valik Shin.9027 said: Nobody runs that and it will just get stripped, corrupted How about you learn how to use it before bashing it eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crewthief.8649 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: Nobody runs that and it will just get stripped, corrupted Maybe. Team fights are notoriously chaotic. I don’t think this will be the automatic death sentence that you make it out to be. You have to be smart. Warrior is all about timing in order to set up your big damage. This is no different. Try it out today and give feedback. That simple. Edited September 21, 2021 by crewthief.8649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, crewthief.8649 said: Maybe. Team fights are notoriously chaotic. I don’t think this will be the automatic death sentence 100% of the time, that you make it out to be. You have to be smart. Warrior is all about timing in order to set up your big damage. this is no different. Try it out today and give feedback. That simple. Oh I fully intend to run SB and just own it all week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crewthief.8649 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: Oh I fully intend to run SB and just own it all week Good for you. Although, considering the immense difficulty you have with stealth, I don’t think you find it easy to own anything, to be honest. Also, I find it funny that a guy that has already made his mind up about this, isn’t planning to test it out. Nope. No testing. No feedback. Just 100% whining. You’re THAT GUY. Edited September 21, 2021 by crewthief.8649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, crewthief.8649 said: Good for you. Although, considering the immense difficulty you have with stealth, I don’t think you find it easy to own anything, to be honest. Also, I find it funny that a guy that has already made his mind up about this, isn’t planning to test it out. Nope. No testing. No feedback. Just 100% whining. You’re THAT GUY. Someone has to show how it stacks up to current builds. Otherwise what's the point of a beta best. And it's not that I have difficulty with stealth I just find agonizingly annoying and would honestly just assume it not exist. I feel awful to run sight beyond sight or on my mark to be able to kill a decent thief instead of then just running away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crewthief.8649 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: Someone has to show how it stacks up to current builds. Otherwise what's the point of a beta best. And it's not that I have difficulty with stealth I just find agonizingly annoying and would honestly just assume it not exist. I feel awful to run sight beyond sight or on my mark to be able to kill a decent thief instead of then just running away Sorry, that doesn’t hold water. You complain about the spec, but do not intend to test it out, and I guarantee that if it proves to be underwhelming, you’ll be complaining about it (even more). The problem is, if you aren’t even willing to test it and give feedback during beta events, then at least with me, you have no credibility (as it relates to the spec) going forward. Edited September 21, 2021 by crewthief.8649 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, crewthief.8649 said: Sorry, that doesn’t hold water. You complain about the spec, but do not intend to test it out, and I guarantee that if it proves to be underwhelming, you’ll be complaining about it (even more). The problem is, if you aren’t even willing to test it and give feedback during beta events, then at least with me, you have no credibility (as it relates to the spec) going forward. True that. Anet needs data to evaluate the elite spec. Feedback from people who played the spec has 10 times the value of someone who just played against it. If anyone cares for this spec to turn out well, they should test it themselves and actually provide useful feedback. Edited September 21, 2021 by Kodama.6453 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crewthief.8649 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kodama.6453 said: True that. Anet needs data to evaluate the elite spec. Feedback from people who played the spec has 10 times the value of someone who just played against it. If anyone cares for this spec to turn out well, they should test it themselves and actually provide useful feedback. I think I’ve come to the conclusion that this guy is just the kind that has to complain about something. Certainly not a new archetype, but definitely irritating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kodama.6453 said: True that. Anet needs data to evaluate the elite spec. Feedback from people who played the spec has 10 times the value of someone who just played against it. If anyone cares for this spec to turn out well, they should test it themselves and actually provide useful feedback. Why should I waste my own time to beta test a elite spec for a game I payed to play from a company that has a storied track record of ingonring warrior players instead of actually playing the game and progressing towards what I want in game? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crewthief.8649 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: Why should I waste my own time to beta test a elite spec for a game I payed to play from a company that has a storied track record of ingonring warrior players instead of actually playing the game and progressing towards what I want in game? Right, no solutions or actual feedback, just complaining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, crewthief.8649 said: Right, no solutions or actual feedback, just complaining. Your danm right because I've been giving them feed back for 9 years to be told warrior is perfectly balanced.... in the basement where it belongs apparently 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: How about I've played this game for 9 years a remebr when it was meta. I also have a signet build that runs it. I'm well aware of what it does. How about don't assume in some shitter who doesn't know about warrior? But you haven't run 'IT' yet now have you? Also, lets take a step back here and assume that we're both trying to be helpful and not asshats. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: But you haven't run 'IT' yet now have you? Also, lets take a step back here and assume that we're both trying to be helpful and not asshats. I ran dolyak signet last week on my pvp signet build for lols. I'm aware of its current ability. There are better option in any no signet mastery build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: I ran dolyak signet last week on my pvp signet build for lols. I'm aware of its current ability. There are better option in any no signet mastery build 'IT' meaning Dragon Trigger, sorry if I caused you confusion there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: 'IT' meaning Dragon Trigger, sorry if I caused you confusion there. True but I seriously have my doubts. Don't get me wrong. I want it to be good but with anets track record on warrior and the fact that half the devs don't seam to have much of a clue about warrior play styles and the like I don't have much faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: True but I seriously have my doubts. Don't get me wrong. I want it to be good but with anets track record on warrior and the fact that half the devs don't seam to have much of a clue about warrior play styles and the like I don't have much faith. Then play it, and give proper feedback in the thread that they will create for it. We have the opportunity to shape the direction that the spec will go. If all of us more or less say the same thing in our feedback then that may give them impetus to change what we find is lacking. For instance if the reduced charge time in PvP/WvW is still not workable, then they need to know that. If the 4s of protection and 2s of aegis are not enough, then let them know. If flow rate is too slow, let them know. I think they're playing it safe with some of the CDs because they are afraid of the damage the put into it in PvE, and if we all feel like the CDs are too long, then we need to let them know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valik Shin.9027 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Then play it, and give proper feedback in the thread that they will create for it. We have the opportunity to shape the direction that the spec will go. If all of us more or less say the same thing in our feedback then that may give them impetus to change what we find is lacking. For instance if the reduced charge time in PvP/WvW is still not workable, then they need to know that. If the 4s of protection and 2s of aegis are not enough, then let them know. If flow rate is too slow, let them know. I think they're playing it safe with some of the CDs because they are afraid of the damage the put into it in PvE, and if we all feel like the CDs are too long, then we need to let them know. That's the problem. I don't belive they actually care about what we say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Valik Shin.9027 said: That's the problem. I don't belive they actually care about what we say I'm sorry to hear that. But I do think that they care about their product as a capitalist company, which means that at least during the beta our input is valuable to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Then play it, and give proper feedback in the thread that they will create for it. We have the opportunity to shape the direction that the spec will go. If all of us more or less say the same thing in our feedback then that may give them impetus to change what we find is lacking. For instance if the reduced charge time in PvP/WvW is still not workable, then they need to know that. If the 4s of protection and 2s of aegis are not enough, then let them know. If flow rate is too slow, let them know. I think they're playing it safe with some of the CDs because they are afraid of the damage the put into it in PvE, and if we all feel like the CDs are too long, then we need to let them know. Yeah the CDs are one of my fears, that we'll use all our skills and then sit there and look pretty for the next 20 seconds waiting on skills to recharge. I also want to know if it'll fit into my lazy warrior kit, I don't think it'll be able to generate as much might but I'll have to play with it to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Just now, Red Haired Savage.5430 said: Yeah the CDs are one of my fears, that we'll use all our skills and then sit there and look pretty for the next 20 seconds waiting on skills to recharge. I also want to know if it'll fit into my lazy warrior kit, I don't think it'll be able to generate as much might but I'll have to play with it to see. Use the elite, Lush Forest or Unshakeable Mountain along with Phalanx Strength for your lazy warrior setup. OH pistol as well and FGJ, Signet of Might, and some other utility. Use the either the CD reduction from Lush Forest to spam FGJ and SoM, or use Unshakeable Mountain to pump out barrier in addition to the heals from MM and MMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: Use the elite, Lush Forest or Unshakeable Mountain along with Phalanx Strength for your lazy warrior setup. OH pistol as well and FGJ, Signet of Might, and some other utility. Use the either the CD reduction from Lush Forest to spam FGJ and SoM, or use Unshakeable Mountain to pump out barrier in addition to the heals from MM and MMR. That's somewhat part of my plan but doesn't quite fit the lazy part of the lazy warrior, I make the builds for some friends that aren't as good at the game so the build does all the sustain for them while doing decent damage. Right now the only utility they have to worry about is shake it off which is the condi cleanse, and I think could pair nicely with some of the BS things. The current lazy build has a solo build which I've been torn between arms with dual wielding and signet mastery and defense (gives me semi quickness speeds). The group version ditches that for tactics with PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorem.8104 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 So that answer is yes, no real gain of stab outside of using movement skills with the strength trait, and only one stack of stab on the flow gainer, so you will be cc'd out of it all the time. And lose all charges, and all flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanthian.9267 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Gorem.8104 said: So that answer is yes, no real gain of stab outside of using movement skills with the strength trait, and only one stack of stab on the flow gainer, so you will be cc'd out of it all the time. And lose all charges, and all flow. You lose charges but maintain any leftover flow you have after getting interrupted. Either by stun, daze, etc or simply walking. Also, you can be interrupted mid strike as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 7:04 AM, DanAlcedo.3281 said: Would be a shame if a single daze could negate our new class mechanic. hides function gyro under the rug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulsefire Jayce.4753 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 2:57 PM, Nezekan.2671 said: You can already trait to have half bullets (therefore half the charge time). So it means 2.5 seconds is already possible, but the damage is also halved. This is currently the only realistic option for pvp. On 9/21/2021 at 6:56 AM, Chrysaliss.8720 said: There is still a grandmaster trait, that will lower the charge time by 50% at the cost of lower damage. Actually, I've tested it in WvW at least and the damage is the same, whether you take 5 bullets or 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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