Catalyst Hammer 3 cripples the specialisation

[Avatara.1042]

Yeah, it has ruined it.

[Conncept.7638]

On 12/3/2021 at 8:17 AM, Dadnir.5038 said:

Same plan than all EoD e-spec:

"Ok guys! anyone got cool idea on what we could introduce in this batch of e-spec? We will take the 2-3 coolest idea and mix them this time, it doesn't matter if it's coherent as long as it look cool!"

And that's how you end up with a crossbreed of Weaver and Tempest with elemental balls revolving around the character, a luxon/kurzik that jump everywhere with a GS, a warrior that stand still to charge it's burst for who know how long... etc.

In all honesty, the Catalyst have many elements that would work if they were put into the right spot and if there wasn't this weird heavy focus on elemental auras.

Posts like this are the reason ANet doesn't actually take feedback from the forums, there is no pleasing some people, everything is bad because negative opinions have more value than positive ones.

The Catalyst is jacked up, and its far from the only class released in this expansion that has problems, but there is a lot of content people are happy with, and hyperbolic generalizations aren't remotely constructive feedback.

Edited March 8, 2022 by Conncept.7638

[Avatara.1042]

58 minutes ago, Conncept.7638 said:

Posts like this are the reason ANet doesn't actually take feedback from the forums, there is no pleasing some people, everything is bad because negative opinions have more value than positive ones.

The Catalyst is jacked up, and its far from the only class released in this expansion that has problems, but there is a lot of content people are happy with, and hyperbolic generalizations aren't remotely constructive feedback.

You are the reason Catalyst is trash.

[nopoet.2960]

I'm actually looking forward to playing a catalyst after i burn out on specter.  Like everyone else I noticed that hammer 3 was ... unsatisfactory.  The only thing they have to do is make grand finale recast an orb based on the element you are in.  They might have to play around with the duration/cooldows but the idea is you can have 2 of the same orb and that could release some of the pressure to weave.

[nucklepuckk.1805]

I did not read the thread, in fairness, but Hammer 3 and attunement swaps are the specialization. If you want to play a wizard, just play Mesmer. Greatsword or Staff Mesmer will meet all your ranged mage fantasies.

Edit: I did read the some of the thread and the majority of the posts are within the realm of "I want to sit in Fire all day ignoring the classes core mechanic and be rewarded for doing so." My surprise is immeasurable.

Edited March 9, 2022 by nucklepuckk.1805

[Winchester Smythe Anus III.2153]

1 hour ago, nucklepuckk.1805 said:

 I did read the some of the thread and the majority of the posts are within the realm of "I want to sit in Fire all day ignoring the classes core mechanic and be rewarded for doing so." My surprise is immeasurable.

I read the Ele forums often and haven't seen a single post where anyone says this. Let alone "a majority of posts". Exaggeration much?

 

I think most of the hammer hate stems from the fact it's a melee weapon that doesn't have a lot of mobility nor sustain, which makes it suck everywhere but beating up golems and static raid bosses that don't move.

[The Boz.2038]

4 hours ago, nucklepuckk.1805 said:

Edit: I did read the some of the thread and the majority of the posts are within the realm of "I want to sit in Fire all day ignoring the classes core mechanic and be rewarded for doing so." My surprise is immeasurable.

"I do not want to swap through every single attunement every four seconds to press the same button and execute my one rewarding mechanic while keeping an eye on my single pixel width energy bar and sphere positioning while making sure my percentile stat buffs are stacked up and I don't accidentally overcap and unsysc myself ten seconds from now" != "I want to sit in Fire all day ignoring the classes core mechanic and be rewarded for doing so"
Also, you already 100% can sit in fire and reach 30k DPS while providing might and fury and such. It is 100% easy to do this even in trailblazer gear. And no, you can't do it on catalyst.

[dace.8019]

Can't agree more with the OP.

 

It's weird because it doesn't feel like the flow of Weaver's attunement swapping is there, you just frantically hit 3, mash some other skills, swap and hit 3, mash what you have a moment to mash, and continue - forever. It's kind of stressful because you have a 5s clock ticking to hit 2 keys in that window (F-key and 3) no matter what is actually going on in the fight. 

 

This feels at odds with GW2's combat because you can't always do what you want in a fight because of break bars, AoE attacks, boss/encounter mechanics, your HP, etc.; and you feel this constant tension to keep the orbs spinning. It also adds into a lot of what could (or should) be autonomous key presses. Maybe it would feel a little better if you didn't have to hit 3 itself - if it just triggered on attunement swap. 

 

I was sort of unsure about Catalyst (like others, I felt its identity was too much of a re-tread) and I wanted to give it a fair shake - but I just found trying to enjoy playing it impossible because I have a constant, very short clock demanding I spend a lot of my attention on maintaining a fairly boring but important mechanic in the spinning orbs.

Edited March 9, 2022 by dace.8019

[volca.7234]

"ANET SAVE MEEEEEEE!!!! I CAN'T MANAGE AN INSTANT CAST SPELL THAT I CAN CAST MID ANIMATION AND MID BEING STUNT THAT LASTS 5sec WITH A WINDOW TO PRESS OTHER 5/6 SKILLS  BEFORE ANOTHER ORB IS NEEDED, N-NO THE SKILL IS BAD NOT ME!!"

Go back to tempest and camp air there, or git gud

Edited March 10, 2022 by volca.7234

[SeTect.5918]

On 3/9/2022 at 5:16 PM, volca.7234 said:

"ANET SAVE MEEEEEEE!!!! I CAN'T MANAGE AN INSTANT CAST SPELL THAT I CAN CAST MID ANIMATION AND MID BEING STUNT THAT LASTS 5sec WITH A WINDOW TO PRESS OTHER 5/6 SKILLS  BEFORE ANOTHER ORB IS NEEDED, N-NO THE SKILL IS BAD NOT ME!!"

Go back to tempest and camp air there, or git gud

I think you dont understand the problem.

It may the not thaaaaaaaat bad with quickness and alac, but without it is. The orb lasts 5 seconds. Most hammer skills have a high cast time, do 1x air hammer 2 and u already used 3 of 5 seconds of your orb uptime.
How r u going to press 5/6 skills without quickness. This is impossible with these cast times.

I fully agree with OP.

a lot of dmg comes from hammer 3. If this dmg gets lost and anet moves dmg to earth, fire and water, this wont be a camp-air e spec.
Its an easy solution. You're overreacting.

[Shiyo.3578]

Without the 3 the spec has zero complexity, but the 3 buttons are also spec ruining when doing OW content or if a boss phases/goes invul/etc.

It sucks.

[SeTect.5918]

3 hours ago, Shiyo.3578 said:

Without the 3 the spec has zero complexity, but the 3 buttons are also spec ruining when doing OW content or if a boss phases/goes invul/etc.

It sucks.

Its also spec ruining in ow without phases or invuln or sth like that. 

In ow u dont have perma alac or quickness. In the 5 seconds u have, u can barely do anything else than pressing 1-2 skills. 

U do skill 3, then air hammer 2 and you are like....oh i have to go in next attunement for Hammer 3 because i dont have time for another skill. 

Also i dont think it would have 0 complexity without it, you still have to constantly swap attunements and augments also force you to place ur spheres and swapping between attunements. The difference is just that you can do more than 1-2 skills without quickness and you are able to dodge then without killing ur rota. 

Its ele, it has 4 attunements, the rota will never have 0 complexity if the damage between attunements is balanced well.