Labjax.2465 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, Zaraki.5784 said: If a puzzle is really so simple and boring, as OP claims, it takes more time to open google to search for a walkthrough than just doing it regularly. Boring does not have to mean fast. In fact, a lot of things are boring because they take too long. A walkthrough can save you time on missteps, i.e. speed up something boring. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, Zaraki.5784 said: If a puzzle is really so simple and boring, as OP claims, it takes more time to open google to search for a walkthrough than just doing it regularly. Boring and simple do not mean quick. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Hamster.2580 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I didn't have any problems with the mansion and completed it on my first try with no hints/walkthrough on a build with 0 toughness and vitality (not counting the jade core) I thought it was pretty fun and straightforward. 👌 If you had to look up a walkthrough, it means it was too difficult for you and that is OK If the mansion was starting to frustrate you because you are stuck at a part that you know the average player would have figured out in 10 sec, that is OK Everyone has the right to play however they want, even if it means looking up a walkthrough for every single thing in this already casual and easy game I would recommend taking a break or temporarily play a different game if you are no longer having fun After all, why did you play this game in the first place? Certainly not to come on the forums and vent 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuavePuppy.2809 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, A Hamster.2580 said: I didn't have any problems with the mansion and completed it on my first try with no hints/walkthrough on a build with 0 toughness and vitality (not counting the jade core) I thought it was pretty fun and straightforward. 👌 If you had to look up a walkthrough, it means it was too difficult for you and that is OK If the mansion was starting to frustrate you because you are stuck at a part that you know the average player would have figured out in 10 sec, that is OK Everyone has the right to play however they want, even if it means looking up a walkthrough for every single thing in this already casual and easy game I would recommend taking a break or temporarily play a different game if you are no longer having fun After all, why did you play this game in the first place? Certainly not to come on the forums and vent Now that's what I call bait 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraki.5784 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ashen.2907 said: Boring and simple do not mean quick. I don't think so, simple means exactly quick, or at least more quickly than following a guide. If not, it means it's not simple enough for OP. Edited June 19, 2022 by Zaraki.5784 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Labjax.2465 said: Boring does not have to mean fast. In fact, a lot of things are boring because they take too long. A walkthrough can save you time on missteps, i.e. speed up something boring. 3 hours ago, Ashen.2907 said: Boring and simple do not mean quick. While true when talking about the meaning of these words out of context, if the puzzle is easy but just long, opening the guide doesn't make it any shorter and seems to be a waste of time. Again, nothing wrong with using a guide, but it just looks like "I couldn't find a solution fast enough, so I've opened the guide... but it's totally not because of the difficulty!". Well, if it's not the difficulty, then what did that guide even do for you? Edited June 19, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labjax.2465 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said: While true when talking about the meaning of these words out of context, if the puzzle is easy but just long, opening the guide doesn't make it any shorter and seems to be a waste of time. Again, nothing wrong with using a guide, but it just looks like "I couldn't find a solution fast enough, so I've opened the guide... but it's totally not because of the difficulty!". Well, if it's not the difficulty, then what did that guide even do for you? A guide can give you the confidence that your assumptions about what to do are correct, so you won't waste any time. Easy doesn't mean you know with complete confidence what will work for each step. You can't know that until you've done it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Labjax.2465 said: A guide can give you the confidence that your assumptions about what to do are correct, so you won't waste any time. Easy doesn't mean you know with complete confidence what will work for each step. You can't know that until you've done it. The claim was that it was easy, if it's easy, you're breezing through it. At that point opening the guide and reading through it is a waste of time in itself. Edited June 20, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labjax.2465 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: The claim was that it was easy, if it's easy, you're breezing through it. At that point opening the guide and reading through it is a waste of time in itself. Lol no, that's not what easy means. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Labjax.2465 said: Lol no, that's not what easy means. Yup, it is. But it certainly doesn't mean something you need a guide for 🤷♂️ Edited June 20, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tukaram.8256 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I have no interest in playing any of the story without a guide. That is what guides are for. 😎 I probably could have done the 1st half (charges/doors) without a guide, if I bothered to try, but I would not have gotten through the pile of boxes fight without a guide. Not a problem though... because I would not play the story without a guide. As for puzzles in general - GW2 is not really a puzzle game. I do not play it for puzzles. I am just here for monster bashing. I do not let the story or puzzles get in the way of my fun. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 52 minutes ago, Tukaram.8256 said: I have no interest in playing any of the story without a guide. That is what guides are for. 😎 I probably could have done the 1st half (charges/doors) without a guide, if I bothered to try, but I would not have gotten through the pile of boxes fight without a guide. Not a problem though... because I would not play the story without a guide. As for puzzles in general - GW2 is not really a puzzle game. I do not play it for puzzles. I am just here for monster bashing. I do not let the story or puzzles get in the way of my fun. Good for you I agree with Josh Strife Hayes on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tukaram.8256 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Linken.6345 said: Good for you I agree with Josh Strife Hayes on this one Never heard of Josh, don't care what he says. You play your way - I play mine - we all have fun. 😎 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra.6509 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Like it, took me some time to solve the puzzle but the instance is well done so it was only my smartness to blame. Tbh is the most memorable part of the EOD story and I hope I see these kind of puzzle in future development of the story. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 My eod story ended at this point. After is bugged out 3 times over 2 days I just walked away from it all. Not going to waste anymore of my time on a bugged out step. That said I am a PvP type and not into the game for story 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 17 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said: I have no interest in playing any of the story without a guide. That is what guides are for. 😎 I probably could have done the 1st half (charges/doors) without a guide, if I bothered to try, but I would not have gotten through the pile of boxes fight without a guide. Not a problem though... because I would not play the story without a guide. As for puzzles in general - GW2 is not really a puzzle game. I do not play it for puzzles. I am just here for monster bashing. I do not let the story or puzzles get in the way of my fun. Absolutely understandable! But then again, your position of "I don't want to do the puzzles, I'm here to slap stuff!" is different than previously mentioned (not by you) "I try completing puzzles on my own, but if it takes too long, I'm using guides ...but it's not connected to the difficulty, ok?". 😉 Not that I think there's anything wrong with it anyways. If someone gets annoyed by a puzzle because it takes too long for them to solve then whip out that guide and move on if that's what they want. Except then it's pretty clearly connected to the difficulty and the inability to find an item or solve the puzzle in the timeframe they'd like it to take. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSlay.6973 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I actually thoroughly enjoyed this puzzle the first time. And tried to cheese it the second time. After that, would prefer to skip it. Maybe just give optional rewards for actually finishing it. Just like the Aurene power ups. I usually use those on third playthroughs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 9:54 AM, Zaraki.5784 said: I don't think so, simple means exactly quick, or at least more quickly than following a guide. If not, it means it's not simple enough for OP. Simple is not a synonym for Quick. Simple is lacking complexity without any reference to how long something takes. In my teens I dug post holes along a stretch of property extending for miles. Digging a hole every 6' was very simple, no complexity to the task at all, and yet it took months to complete. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ashen.2907 said: Simple is not a synonym for Quick. Simple is lacking complexity without any reference to how long something takes. In my teens I dug post holes along a stretch of property extending for miles. Digging a hole every 6' was very simple, no complexity to the task at all, and yet it took months to complete. Ok and would a guide somehow make it faster? Because right now you're just broadly discussing meaning of the words while completely disregarding the context of this thread or the posts in it. In your case digging holes along a stretch of property was easy, but took long. But if you've decided to read how to dig a hole before every post, it would save you no time, but instead achieve the opposite. Similarly here, if the puzzle is easy, but just long, opening a guide is a waste of time. Edited June 20, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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