Thoughts on Emboldened Boon, and suggestions

[Artemis.8034]

4 minutes ago, Xerac.1542 said:

Ah yes, the only reason I will join no KP, heart achievement, emboldened runs. Seeing people suffer at greens and getting mad at each other at MO. 

I will see you suffer as I have and I will enjoy it. 

But on a serious note... I first felt like they should disable the envoy achievements during the buff weeks because at +10 stacks getting downed by cairn seems rather unlikely. After sleeping it over I actually don't care anymore. If anyone gets their full envoy by just running the buffed wings, fine, take it. That is almost as impressive as farming LI by just doing Escort.

Let's see how this turns out. Best thing to happen is raids get popular enough to validate a new wing(because let's be honest all wings are wonderfully designed). 

Worst thing to happen is ppl get an easier way to obtain their armor and stop asking for it on forums. 

 

Best of luck to all of you! 

Thats just a horrible attitude to have. My friends have helped lots of people get the hearts, as have a lot of other people and helped me. These thoughts you have are in your own mind, not everyone is some dr. evil character out to make people suffer. Im glad I never fell into the...I hate raiders trap, or I would never have been able to meet so many nice people, and got to experience raids. You get what you give I guess /shrug 

[Dante.1508]

8 hours ago, Artemis.8034 said:

Thats so not true, not everyone is an elitist. There are many raiders that help people learn to raid, there are many that take people in to raids and dont berate them. I know because I am not a great raider and these people helped me, and I have been in pugs where I screwed up and wiped everyone the commanders were its okay we try again. Yes I have been in pugs where it was an instant kick, but I dont call the whole community toxic because of it. Get up and move on, if you caused the wipe or you screwed up learn from your mistakes and improve, thats how you raid.  If you refuse then its on you.

You definitely fit the raider stereotype.. the thing is you don't even notice how toxic you are, your posts here just help influence people to stay away..

[Caliboom.3218]

9 hours ago, Artemis.8034 said:

Thats so not true, not everyone is an elitist. There are many raiders that help people learn to raid, there are many that take people in to raids and dont berate them. I know because I am not a great raider and these people helped me, and I have been in pugs where I screwed up and wiped everyone the commanders were its okay we try again. Yes I have been in pugs where it was an instant kick, but I dont call the whole community toxic because of it. Get up and move on, if you caused the wipe or you screwed up learn from your mistakes and improve, thats how you raid.  If you refuse then its on you.

Oh, you're right, not every raider is an elitist. Just, you know, most of them. I mean, I could do raids, I'm a quick learner when it comes to mechanics and I've done raids in other MMOs. But I'm not going to because of how bad the raiding community in this game is.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Caliboom.3218

[Yello.3406]

I never dared to try raiding for a years. The toxicity you guys are talking about is mostly concentrated in the lfg. Some months ago I decided that I want to try raids and looked up guild announcements in this forum. Within a few days I found a wellcoming guild that took me in and showed me how to raid. It was so easy, I asked myself why I did not try this much earlier.

If you just click "join group" and hope for the best, you will be disappointed more times than not. Go and find a community that suits you.

Because in said communities people care for you and try to build you up as a static member of the raid. The toxicity only exists among faceless randoms.

Maybe this will change with the lfg-split and the buffs, we'll see. On the other hand the me-people already don't want others to have nice things before the changes are even live.

*sigh* and *shrug* i guess...

[SlayerXX.7138]

2 hours ago, Dante.1508 said:

You definitely fit the raider stereotype.. the thing is you don't even notice how toxic you are, your posts here just help influence people to stay away..

 

2 hours ago, Caliboom.3218 said:

Oh, you're right, not every raider is an elitist. Just, you know, most of them. I mean, I could do raids, I'm a quick learner when it comes to mechanics and I've done raids in other MMOs. But I'm not going to because of how bad the raiding community in this game is.

Is that an NA thing? I really don't understand were this sentiment comes from. From the couple of raids i joined people seem quite normal. I run mostly strike and people are at the absolute worst exclusive(in part out of necessity), impatience and sometime lack understanding how much worst below average player can be. But is to be expected in any game or Real life activity were success depends on your teammates. In Strike people underperform massively in comparisons to slightly above average player and it barley even gets mentioned.

Are you guys faking LI's? Do you guys take it personally that your are to bad for content?

Also how do you guys even know how elitist raiders are if you do not raid?

 

[Caliboom.3218]

1 hour ago, Albi.7250 said:

Also how do you guys even know how elitist raiders are if you do not raid?

I tried a few times, and it's also things I heard from other players.

[Artemis.8034]

47 minutes ago, Caliboom.3218 said:

I tried a few times, and it's also things I heard from other players.

Because people keep passing this meme around. 

 

5 hours ago, Dante.1508 said:

You definitely fit the raider stereotype.. the thing is you don't even notice how toxic you are, your posts here just help influence people to stay away..

Oh yes im such an toxic elitist that I actively promote an open world legendary armor set for the majority of the playerbase that dont do raids or pvp or wvw, or that I have supported a toned down raid with group finder system for years so people can get into the raid wings.

[Caliboom.3218]

58 minutes ago, Artemis.8034 said:

Because people keep passing this meme around. 

 

Oh yes im such an toxic elitist that I actively promote an open world legendary armor set for the majority of the playerbase that dont do raids or pvp or wvw, or that I have supported a toned down raid with group finder system for years so people can get into the raid wings.

I literally just said I tried raiding a few times, I'm speaking from experience.

[Linken.6345]

18 minutes ago, Caliboom.3218 said:

I literally just said I tried raiding a few times, I'm speaking from experience.

Well did you try to join a 30-250kp/li squad with less then a third that was asked of you then call them toxic for not leting you in or something?

[Excursion.9752]

To me this comes down to people having the insatiable desire to have people do it the way they did.

Some people breezed through this some people really suffered. The latter seems to be the ones with such an appetite.

 

[Artemis.8034]

1 hour ago, Excursion.9752 said:

To me this comes down to people having the insatiable desire to have people do it the way they did.

Some people breezed through this some people really suffered. The latter seems to be the ones with such an appetite.

 

In the end its up to arenanet  its  their game, they designed the path to the legendary armor. Im not an elitists, but people want the sets without having to do anything for them, thats pretty dang obvious. If thats the case then give me my free  legendary set too. 

[Dante.1508]

11 hours ago, Albi.7250 said:

 

Is that an NA thing? I really don't understand were this sentiment comes from. From the couple of raids i joined people seem quite normal. I run mostly strike and people are at the absolute worst exclusive(in part out of necessity), impatience and sometime lack understanding how much worst below average player can be. But is to be expected in any game or Real life activity were success depends on your teammates. In Strike people underperform massively in comparisons to slightly above average player and it barley even gets mentioned.

Are you guys faking LI's? Do you guys take it personally that your are to bad for content?

Also how do you guys even know how elitist raiders are if you do not raid?

 

Maybe i have no idea the difference on EU to NA.. Toxicity is rather bad all round on NA. I have no idea what li builds are i've done one strike the turtle one which was very hard but i died when the last boss was 16% health. Two of us got one shot.

 

I tried to do a raid and was kicked because i had certain customization.. A cat hood.

7 hours ago, Linken.6345 said:

Well did you try to join a 30-250kp/li squad with less then a third that was asked of you then call them toxic for not leting you in or something?

New people have no idea what you are talking about with that jargon..

Edited June 29, 2022 by Dante.1508

[Astralporing.1957]

14 hours ago, Albi.7250 said:

Is that an NA thing?

No, not just NA.

14 hours ago, Albi.7250 said:

I really don't understand were this sentiment comes from.

From the fact that even if only 5% of raiders are like this, you will be getting one in average every second squad you get into - and since people tend to remember bad things more than good ones, that's completely enough for many to end up with overall bad impressions.

The second reason is that even if it's only 5%, the remaining 95% usually stay silent when that one guys go apekitten on someone for not living up to their lofty standarts (or just for having a bad day). Which gives an impression that such behaviour is that the rest of the players are either completely okay with such kind of behaviour, or even silently approve of it.

Personally, i've had only a few of such incidents lately (but then i'm not raiding all that often anymore, and don't do full clears, just going for attempts at individual bosses/wings whenever i feel like it, so the occasional incidents mean i am getting at least one such incident per week), but in neither of those cases other players (including the commanders) ever spoke up. In the most drastic case, the group fell apart, but noone actually commented about the levels of toxicity at all.

It's not just a few bad eggs. It's how those bad eggs are treated by the rest of the community as well. New players (and new players are most likely to get targeted by this kind of behaviour, after all) are perfectly able to see all that and arrive at their own conclusions.

The fact that most raiders like you don't even see this is happening even when it is happening right under your noses is actually part of the problem.

[Linken.6345]

9 hours ago, Dante.1508 said:

Maybe i have no idea the difference on EU to NA.. Toxicity is rather bad all round on NA. I have no idea what li builds are i've done one strike the turtle one which was very hard but i died when the last boss was 16% health. Two of us got one shot.

 

I tried to do a raid and was kicked because i had certain customization.. A cat hood.

New people have no idea what you are talking about with that jargon..

Yes and if I dont know something I either A dont join it or B look the name of the commander in that squad and do /whisper name

What do this mean?

[Astralporing.1957]

17 hours ago, Linken.6345 said:

Yes and if I dont know something I either A dont join it or B look the name of the commander in that squad and do /whisper name

What do this mean?

And how would that help in the abovementioned "cat hood" example?

[yoni.7015]

4 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

And how would that help in the abovementioned "cat hood" example?

Why should someone be kicked because of a cat hood? That doesn’t sound very likely and is hard to believe. 

[Astralporing.1957]

21 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

Why should someone be kicked because of a cat hood? That doesn’t sound very likely and is hard to believe. 

I've had recently a massive flame fest because someone dared to put commander markers on sabetha in different order than someone else was used to. Squad ended up disbanding due to it.

Yes, i can easily believe the cat hood case.

[yoni.7015]

5 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

I've had recently a massive flame fest because someone dared to put commander markers on sabetha in different order than someone else was used to. Squad ended up disbanding due to it.

Yes, i can easily believe the cat hood case.

Well, some people believe in unicorns, doesn’t make them real. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by yoni.7015

[Astralporing.1957]

1 minute ago, yoni.7015 said:

Well, some people believe in Santa Claus or unicorns 

Sure. And some refuse to believe in things that do exist, just because they haven't seen them personally. Or because they are inconvenient.

[yoni.7015]

 

22 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

Sure. And some refuse to believe in things that do exist, just because they haven't seen them personally. Or because they are inconvenient.

In the era of fake news and alternative facts  I don’t believe every nonsense someone posts on the internet, especially without proof. And since the person who posted that shows a penchant for untruths in the forum

but some people believe everything they read on the internet 🤷‍♂️

Edited June 30, 2022 by yoni.7015

[Dante.1508]

46 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

Why should someone be kicked because of a cat hood? That doesn’t sound very likely and is hard to believe. 

They said i looked like i wouldn't be able to pull my weight and when i asked why they pointed out my cat hood customization.. I have no idea why that was hated and would lower my dps.

Edited June 30, 2022 by Dante.1508

[Hotride.2187]

On 6/28/2022 at 2:00 AM, Caliboom.3218 said:

I'm pretty sure the reason why a lot of people don't do raids is not because they're difficult, but because they're a toxic cesspool, with commanders blaming everyone after a singular wipe and every squad requiring a bajillion KP to enter.  And this thread proves that raiders are more toxic than literal radioactive waste.

Well not really, just it takes "a lot of time" to get a group together and do the content. The KP is to make sure whoever enters your group won't have to be replaced and your raid takes as little time as possible. Wouldnt call the players toxic, they are just there for the loot and the KP gating is the fastest/laziest way to get it.

IMO raids are content from another era, where people didn't have the whole gaming industry screaming for attention. Why would I spend 1 hour in LFG, maybe wait for a guild to get their act together at boss X (or even gathering for the raid). When I can just boot 1 of 200 games I have and have more fun than in the whole raid combined. Something comes up? I pause the game, deal with it and continue doing what I was doing. Even multiplayer games have way shorter matches than the multiple hours slogs that I remember from raids.

And you don't need to raid in this game too for gear, unlike most games. So why do it.

[Labjax.2465]

57 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

Well, some people believe in unicorns, doesn’t make them real. 

I used to play another game where I did a lot of pug dungeons. Plenty of them were mostly silent, decent runs. There were also those cases where it's a story that sounds absurd, but it really happened. It's the nature of pugs. All it takes is one person to be close to snapping, or be petty for whatever reason, or just be not firing on all cylinders that day.

There was even a whole thread on the forums for that game (probably still is) with page after page of pug stories over the years. Some of it just garden-variety people being obnoxious, others weirder.

I would try to say hi at the beginning to get some friendliness going to start the dungeon out, but sometimes people wanted to bicker and point fingers and there was nothing you could do.

[Astralporing.1957]

56 minutes ago, yoni.7015 said:

 

In the era of fake news and alternative facts  I don’t believe every nonsense someone posts on the internet, especially without proof. And since the person who posted that shows a penchant for untruths in the forum

but some people believe everything they read on the internet 🤷‍♂️

Well, i'm the opposite to you, i guess. I tend to believe people unless i have some strong proof otherwise or the think is just way too unbelievable (although in that last case i tend to remain open to the possibility i can be mistaken). And considering what i have seen happening so far in PUG LFGs, the cat hood case is perfectly believable.

Honestly, if i were to treat all the posters with your attitude and automatically assume they're flat out lying just because they don;t agree with me, i'd find it pointless to even engage on forums, because no communication would be possible at all.

[Artemis.8034]

On 6/30/2022 at 2:08 AM, Astralporing.1957 said:

And how would that help in the abovementioned "cat hood" example?

Dont believe everything you hear on the internet.