shion.2084 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 The only rifle I've seen in PVP so far was a Mechanist trying to run it... didn't go well for them. I imagine you could try a real glass Holo with it, but your going to miss the defence of shield and the quickness on sword etc. You'll have to take some type of utility that's defensive for the holo mode cool down... either wrench kit for its shield, or the holo block skill, or maybe the rocket boots to run away as defence.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 Mechanist is completely broken The AI pet still does a lot of damage. As a power build, with Spark Revolver /Mechanized Deployment/perma alac,hitting a single target for 1932 * 2.25 / (20 *0.85/1.25) = 320 ~ damage per second (crit) constantly. That means even a nerfed mech is still doing almost twice the damage of ranger pet. Why does Ranger get no Love!? 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Why does Ranger get no Love!? Just a friendly reminder that the infamous "Teleporting Maul+Tailswipe"-Combo exists. That was the biggest love a ranger could have asked for.... Untamed took the single thing keeping coreRanger relevant (Tailswipe) and added a new layer of frustration ontop of it (teleporting maul+Tailswipe combo). Mechanist is a build that relys solely on projectiles, thus is easily counter. Adjust your build. Projectilehate is pretty much a necessity in the current meta. It helps against most of the currently strong specs. Edited July 28, 2022 by Sahne.6950 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) This thread is a fine example of people complaining before understanding the game. The new Engi Rifle builds aren't even close to approaching viability vs. meta. This isn't a thing guys. Engi Rifle is fine. Leave it alone. Edited July 28, 2022 by Trevor Boyer.6524 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotride.2187 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) On 7/1/2022 at 11:29 AM, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: When the engineer gets one knock down, its over for sure cuz it has so much damage like what the hell. Topic aside, what are the visual tells of the engi knockback(s)? I can't seem to tell even when looking at the engi. What am I missing? Edited July 28, 2022 by Hotride.2187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) Engineer isn't even part of the meta right now. It's specter, DE, catalyst, tempest and bladesworn's time to shine. Rifle engi does good damage, especially when they run mech, but tempest turns them into a liability, and at that point you'd really rather have something else. They also fall over if you breathe on them. Especially against condis. Catalyst with it's good mobility and magnetic aura access can also bully them. Condi specter is can rip their boons and load them with more condis than they can cleanse. 🍔 gets into a 1111111 war with them and wins because of prot, poision cloud, boon corrupts, and a laughable amount of condis that this build cannot deal with. Willbender ports on top of them and sticks on top of them like glue, completely negating their range advantage. It's an actual glass cannon with glass canon damage. (Not the 🍔or WB flavor of "Glass canon" where they also have tons of defense baked in) This build is a noob buster, like any high damage build. If you see it and panic they'll down you before you realize it. Edited July 28, 2022 by Kuma.1503 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guirssane.7082 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 10 hours ago, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Mechanist is completely broken The AI pet still does a lot of damage. As a power build, with Spark Revolver /Mechanized Deployment/perma alac,hitting a single target for 1932 * 2.25 / (20 *0.85/1.25) = 320 ~ damage per second (crit) constantly. That means even a nerfed mech is still doing almost twice the damage of ranger pet. Why does Ranger get no Love!? Mechanist is dogshit in this meta, it does nothing and the AI can't reach you if you get on a platform. It only works against noob facetanking every hit. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimsley.3681 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Hi I've seen some really good engies on scrapper hammer with mortar kit, but rare coz a lot run rifle mechanist, which I feel is inferior to the former. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 7:37 AM, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Mechanist is completely broken The AI pet still does a lot of damage. As a power build, with Spark Revolver /Mechanized Deployment/perma alac,hitting a single target for 1932 * 2.25 / (20 *0.85/1.25) = 320 ~ damage per second (crit) constantly. That means even a nerfed mech is still doing almost twice the damage of ranger pet. Why does Ranger get no Love!? As a scrapper I love facing mechanists. I have two protracted stun utilities and it neutralizes their bot. Do you have a CC build? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 18 hours ago, Pimsley.3681 said: Hi I've seen some really good engies on scrapper hammer with mortar kit, but rare coz a lot run rifle mechanist, which I feel is inferior to the former. I run scrapper with Mortar shredder E-gun and potion U. With the quickness traits in scrapper I very much enjoy it. I am probably playing at higher rank than I ever have in the last 7 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxx.5021 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Rifle mechanist is a brainless spam spec game designers see as the future of PvE it seems. Not that it maters much for PvP. Though it makes a dead game mode even worse imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruakumfd.4817 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I admittedly thought it was strong only because I have yet to play one. This thread is really making me rethink this, even though I've played a guardian so, I know that their second sword skill reflects projectiles. I've also played as&with an Untamed so, I know that you can use your pet for that matter. I just didn't realize how many counters there are. Of course, it's great because the last time I faced the Shadow Behemoth, there were so many Mechanists in one spot. You'd think it was a game changer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Rifle scrapper here. Gold tier 2/3. Love the build. Does well. Fun for me I will never be a plat player. I am too old and slow for that. Lol and to be honest a vast majority of your players I’m going to be either. So I think you have to play with you enjoy and you can be moderately successful at. And I find the rifle scrapper to have a lot of tools to be successful with Edited July 30, 2022 by Lysico.4906 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 What do you build the rifle scrapper with… which trait lines and which utilities? I guess you’d do a quickness scrapper so like 1 3 2 for the scrapper trait line. Do you stay ranger and so use a utility like rocket boots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PeQAQlRwcYQsQ2JOMS6tWA-e this is what I run. Marauders amulet. Very fun. Thief like. Decapping and +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Cool. Yeah my issue with that build would be the lack of stun break. You have a bit of stability but you need to use your one reflect to get it. If a team is decently coordinated in todays “everyone can port” meta you’d be a likely focus. Side node you’ll probably be able to escape. You just really don’t want to face an interrupter and your condi removal is non existent…. So against condi comes you’ll have trouble. I can see how it would be fun. I would probably do poorly running it given my scrappy preferences…. Which is also why I’ll never be top tier… I get bored and want to wade in 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Well I run Condi clear gyro vs 2 Harbingers. But yeah you like to wade in. Need a different build. Good luck out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 Scrapper OP! Rifle Scrapper has a quite easy combo and 1 shot everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/30/2022 at 12:30 PM, shion.2084 said: What do you build the rifle scrapper with… which trait lines and which utilities? I guess you’d do a quickness scrapper so like 1 3 2 for the scrapper trait line. Do you stay ranger and so use a utility like rocket boots? Best variant I've seen is actually on Scrapper, what Cuilan runs on NA. It's better than Mechanist tbh. He has a method to use rush you with massive CC juggling using gyros and of course the rifle just deals a lot more direct damage with Scrapper mods. I'm no Engi main so I can't really accurately gauge exactly how that build is setup, but it does feel a lot stronger than Mech Rifle builds. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 On 7/31/2022 at 9:20 PM, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: Best variant I've seen is actually on Scrapper, what Cuilan runs on NA. It's better than Mechanist tbh. He has a method to use rush you with massive CC juggling using gyros and of course the rifle just deals a lot more direct damage with Scrapper mods. I'm no Engi main so I can't really accurately gauge exactly how that build is setup, but it does feel a lot stronger than Mech Rifle builds. I think most people using the scrapper trait line will be using it's quickness settings (1,3,2) so they won't be getting the Direct might increases etc. It's the quickness that likely is doing the damage. For what it's worth... I don't like running a single burst meme build... This is mine....http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PeQAIlFwgYeMLWKO8TftWA-zZIPjSVAJMB0wAA It gives a bit of survivability. The hammer gives stun, blocks, reflect. It provides some boon help for team mates... AOE and dos.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) On 7/30/2022 at 2:38 PM, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Scrapper OP! Rifle Scrapper has a quite easy combo and 1 shot everything. The build here is totally not my play style. You've got no condi cleanse... but you want to be close to burst max DPS. So you're susceptible in games where there's condition AOE spam. What stun breaks do you have? I guess the one on Elix S. Essentially this is a noob wrecker, or a one trick burst from stealth in certain situations. Once a good team gets hit with it once they're likely going to stop you in your tracks with CC and mob. Looks like we're running scrapper quickness build (1,3,2) and explosives... not sure what the third is... possibly firearms for the extra DPS? Likely not alchemy because the respawn on the elix S invisible is 45 seconds. Edited August 3, 2022 by shion.2084 spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) It's nice that ANet finally gave Engi a 2nd DPS traitline worth taking. We were forced into Alchemy for ages because firearms wasn't worth taking and tools is... tools. After some tweaks, we have engis running Firearms/Explosives and they're pumping damage that people aren't used to seeing from them. They're also a lot squishier than people are used to. No Elixir E, no protection injection, no transmute conditions, no HGH with Elixir S or Elixir H. Edited August 3, 2022 by Kuma.1503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guirssane.7082 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 1:37 PM, noneHotBuildTest.7251 said: Mechanist is completely broken The AI pet still does a lot of damage. As a power build, with Spark Revolver /Mechanized Deployment/perma alac,hitting a single target for 1932 * 2.25 / (20 *0.85/1.25) = 320 ~ damage per second (crit) constantly. That means even a nerfed mech is still doing almost twice the damage of ranger pet. Why does Ranger get no Love!? surely broken in silver yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udcvr.8547 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 The problem with mech is the whole spec mechanic. It is insane unhealthy and dumb for pvp and either too strong or very useless. And you rly have to hope for the latter in competitive gamemodes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noneHotBuildTest.7251 Posted August 8, 2022 Author Share Posted August 8, 2022 Meh, anet's profession team (or whatever team they made to focus on engineer) is a joke at this point. Spam CC ! EZ win! Stunlock enemy feel super unskillful and OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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