Why are people calling this beta "alliances"??

[Mo Mo.1947]

"Alliances" are multiple guilds teaming up together. This is how it is talked about in my WvW guilds...

 

However what I'm seeing is guilds trying to ask everyone to all join one guild for the beta and select it for matchmaking. That's just called a being in a guild. That's not an alliance and can't function as an alliance as member caps still apply.

 

Additionally the beta announcements don't talk about "alliances" and there's no alliance function featured in the betas.

 

Yet people are talking like the "alliance" beta is almost ready to go live? We haven't even beta tested "alliances" yet. We've just tested dog-piling into one guild from what I'm seeing every time...

 

Where are people getting the idea that "alliances" are a thing? 

[Fueki.4753]

Afar as I am aware, Alliances is the official name for a part of the new system, thus people call it that way.

People trying to manipulate and abuse a system is nothing new or unheard of, especially not in the so-called competitive modes of GW2.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Fueki.4753

[Xenesis.6389]

1 hour ago, Mo Mo.1947 said:

"Alliances" are multiple guilds teaming up together. This is how it is talked about in my WvW guilds...

 

However what I'm seeing is guilds trying to ask everyone to all join one guild for the beta and select it for matchmaking. That's just called a being in a guild. That's not an alliance and can't function as an alliance as member caps still apply.

 

Additionally the beta announcements don't talk about "alliances" and there's no alliance function featured in the betas.

 

Yet people are talking like the "alliance" beta is almost ready to go live? We haven't even beta tested "alliances" yet. We've just tested dog-piling into one guild from what I'm seeing every time...

 

Where are people getting the idea that "alliances" are a thing? 

The alliance part of the new system is not implemented yet, we're still on the world restructuring part of it. So guilds are forming under one guild since alliances and guilds will have the same 500 cap anyways.

 

Guilds are forming into one guild in order to get placed in the same world, which essentially is helping test the world restructuring, as there are players who are still having problems being placed on the right team.

 

Overall alliances is the main feature of this new system.

If you need a refresher on what it is all suppose to be... (why the f this isn't still stickied or in the library thread is beyond me.)

 

[enkidu.5937]

3 hours ago, Mo Mo.1947 said:

"Alliances"

ok so we stop calling it "alliances beta" and instead

"stack 500 ppl and wipe the randoms beta"

because thats what is tested and what will go live

so the real question is why do you think it would make a difference when 500 ppl from 10 guilds stack together in 1 guild or in 1 alliance ? 🙂

[Custodio.6134]

alliances is the term that the community made up, even before ANet started to also use that term. 

However: the official name (and what all betas so far are called) is "World Restructuring". 

Sadly, a huge amount of players don't realize, that "alliances" and "world restructuring" are NOT the same. 

alliances is a PART of the world creation system, that will (hopefully) allow players to organize who they want to play with. Reminder on how teams (which will replace servers) are planned to be built: 

The team will be built around alliances, guilds and solo players. 
alliances will contain multiple guilds (and potentiall solo players too) that pre-organized and want to play together. 
once the team cannot hold any more alliances (because they are too big for example), the left spots will be filled with guilds that didn´t join an alliance. 
Once again, if then no more guilds can fit into the team, there will still be spots left open (you will never fill up a team perfectly just with alliances and guilds). These spots will be filled with players, that are neither part of a guild, nor part of an alliance. 

World restructuring is the combination of all of the above (and potentially even more), and what we are currently testing is EXCLUSIVELY the foundation (not even the full system) of the team-creation process. Since we still lack alliance-functionality, it is (for now) bound to guilds, but that´s merely a placeholder until alliance-functionality is ready to be tested

[Dawdler.8521]

1 hour ago, Custodio.6134 said:

alliances is the term that the community made up, even before ANet started to also use that term. 

However: the official name (and what all betas so far are called) is "World Restructuring". 

I honestly cant tell if the february 1st 2018 post is the very first post on it but if it is... Anet mentioned "the World Restructuring system" in the very first sentence and further specified how alliances work with groups of guilds. 

[Custodio.6134]

the term "alliances" even showed up way before ANet even talked about any potential rework of WvW. The community already discussed on how the team-building could be improved, and that's where "alliances" originally came from. 

I briefly checked the old forum (which are still archived btw), and one of the earliest posts that showed up through the pretty slow and whacky search-funciton was from September 2017 (even before the official announcement of World Restructuring back in 2018)

[Xenesis.6389]

The system has been talked about way before 2018, did it have the official name of alliances back then? who knows other than anet and the feedback group who apparently didn't like the idea back then. So in 2016 they went the links route, and talked about expanding on links by adding more smaller worlds, in order to have more pieces for better links. Which actually if you think about it, would have been a better route, guild alliances would have been by worlds instead, in which guilds could have claimed their own alliance worlds to move to, while preserving communities that are set on older worlds/servers. Everyone would have had the best of both sides. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Hypothetically-Speaking-New-Worlds

BUT THE PLAYERS REJECTED IT.

SO NOW THEY ARE GOING THIS ROUTE OF WORLD RESTRUCTURING BECAUSE YOU PLAYERS ARE STUBBORN AND EITHER WON'T MOVE FROM STACKED SERVERS, OR MOVE SO MUCH YOU UNBALANCE SERVERS BY PLAYING LEAPFROG ON THEM EVERY TWO TO SIX MONTHS.

CONGRATULATIONS, WE ARE GETTING WHAT WE DESERVE, AUTOMATED STRUCTURED POPULATION REBLANCING.

😑

[jul.7602]

Nobody wants to waste time typing WvW restructuring beta. Alliances is also an official term that has been used by Anet and Anet promotional material several times now.

[TheGrimm.5624]

On 10/22/2022 at 12:48 PM, enkidu.5937 said:

ok so we stop calling it "alliances beta" and instead

"stack 500 ppl and wipe the randoms beta"

because thats what is tested and what will go live

so the real question is why do you think it would make a difference when 500 ppl from 10 guilds stack together in 1 guild or in 1 alliance ? 🙂

 

Xen is right even though we are not at the second phase where the Alliances are at work but we do need people testing how it handles larger guilds even if the guilds themselves were testing it out as a faux Alliance or even as a community guild. Sadly it also starts to get people ready for what may come if they just drift and get assigned. To your second point the other thing we need to see is how well it places the resorted teams up in the various tiers since it would have no traditional server score history to go by which could result in what you described as a comped group versus a lot of people just mixed together. Here is hoping to ANet sharing some stats from the test.

[Zikory.6871]

On 10/23/2022 at 8:07 AM, jul.7602 said:

Nobody wants to waste time typing WvW restructuring beta. Alliances is also an official term that has been used by Anet and Anet promotional material several times now.

They have clearly stated this is phase 1 of Alliances, called World Restructuring. But arguing semantics with people that can't comprehend from context anyway isn't "wasting time typing" lmao

Imagine if people just started using WR beta, that's 2 less key strokes then Alliances 🙃

[enkidu.5937]

5 hours ago, TheGrimm.5624 said:

Xen is right

you mean that guy who says:

On 10/22/2022 at 5:03 PM, Xenesis.6389 said:

Overall alliances is the main feature of this new system.

sry but . . . I really hope that there is more Anet can come up with 😏

[TheGrimm.5624]

5 minutes ago, enkidu.5937 said:

you mean that guy who says:

sry but . . . I really hope that there is more Anet can come up with 😏

 

As in we need people to test the system and try and throw it out of whack and do odd guilds created for the test so that they can work out the kinks that people really may do when the system is live. Would prefer now to find out if someone was able to get a full 500 person guild cobbled together were they matched up with the team that was built of all soloers against them. Better to find these things out now while we all have our servers versus after those links are no more and then we get 'oops we didn't expect anyone to do that' kind of moment. 

[Xenesis.6389]

59 minutes ago, enkidu.5937 said:

you mean that guy who says:

sry but . . . I really hope that there is more Anet can come up with 😏

Like what?