WhoWantsAHug.3186 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Dreams.3128 said: You know it's funny they somehow hit FA weaver again since FA weaver hasn't been a thing since 2018. I guess we can just accept the fact we are NEVER getting a proper power build in this lifetime. They barely hit FA weaver. 6 sec shatter stone is irrelevant, you barely ever double swap water for trident. Hurl is a nerf, but FA weaver received permanent fury last patch. It's better than it was a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: All Elementalists dominated PvP and WvW before this patch. It was an AoE issue and Catalyst had the most so hence the strongest. Scepter barely has aoe. It's the least aoe friendly weapon for ele. It's all cata. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Razor.6392 said: Scepter barely has aoe. It's the least aoe friendly weapon for ele. It's all cata. 2 of the 3 skills you list are AoEs seems like they targeted it to me. (Shatterstone Water Trident) Edited July 18, 2023 by Mell.4873 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Frequency.6407 said: Who plays scepter core/weaver/tempest anyway? no one cause its kitten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 At this point cata just seems like an means to nerf the ele class over all. The game would be better with out it cut it off for spvp. It also seems spvp forms where you should go to post about balancing in other parts of the game as all of the spvp updates are bleeding over to the other game types. On that note staff ele in wvw is an real shell of its former self if you having most of the ele players in wvw go support when there where THE dps class for massive size combat you have messed up the balancing of the ideal behind the very class. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magickthief.6492 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Ele all over is OP, not just Cata, just move 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magickthief.6492 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 hours ago, Razor.6392 said: Shatterstone: Increased cooldown from 3 seconds to 6 seconds in PvP and WvW. Water Trident: Reduced power coefficient from 1.25 to 1.0 in PvP and WvW. Reduced the bonus damage from 50% to 33% in WvW only. Hurl: Reduced power coefficient from 0.33 to 0.26 in WvW and PvP. I'm sure core, weaver and tempest scepter users deserved this nerf. Signets also just got reworked and one patch later nerfed into oblivion because of ONE FREAKING SPEC. Ele is OP, not just one spec 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 13 hours ago, Razor.6392 said: Scepter barely has aoe. It's the least aoe friendly weapon for ele. It's all cata. Ignore him, he's a troll, he's been trolling mesmer sub forum for months and admitted it was an alt account of his main that was banned. I think a better idea for Written in Stone would have been to improve or alter the passive effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaveOnYou.2819 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 hours ago, magickthief.6492 said: Ele is OP, not just one spec said pesky thief 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreams.3128 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 15 hours ago, WhoWantsAHug.3186 said: They barely hit FA weaver. 6 sec shatter stone is irrelevant, you barely ever double swap water for trident. Hurl is a nerf, but FA weaver received permanent fury last patch. It's better than it was a month ago. And that fury has done...what exactly for it? Oh, okay, that's what I thought. Hitting scepter outside of flamestrike for giggles because of Cata is stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Dont be mad ele Mains. Your now at same state as warr was. First you get wrong things nerfed then you will get right things nerfed but not get the damaged no needed nerfs rebuffed so you will stay in damaged state for years. Well at least you are not warr and get your whole class theme nerfed (hard hit burst skills/CC dmg) get the real things nerfed and never refreshed the to dump nerfs xd. Stay Safe guys lel ^^ Edited July 19, 2023 by Myror.7521 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreams.3128 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 50 minutes ago, Myror.7521 said: Dont be mad ele Mains. Your now at same state as warr was. First you get wrong things nerfed then you will get right things nerfed but not get the damaged no needed nerfs rebuffed so you will stay in damaged state for years. Well at least you are not warr and get your whole class theme nerfed (hard hit burst skills/CC dmg) get the real things nerfed and never refreshed the to dump nerfs xd. Stay Safe guys lel ^^ Meanwhile there is a whole thread dedicating to saying that Spellbreaker is broken and Engineer being the exact state you've described for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowki.7194 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, Dreams.3128 said: Meanwhile there is a whole thread dedicating to saying that Spellbreaker is broken and Engineer being the exact state you've described for years. The very concept of giving a spec high player control is broken.. doesn't matter how effective the said spec currently is, it is built on rotten foundations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdealer.2197 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 cata nerfs seem more like a nerf to my core power ele. I liked my core ele, and the water trident was kind of super important for my sustain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow Blade of El Elyon.9341 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 If nerfed in sPvP please also in WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 hours ago, magickthief.6492 said: Ele all over is OP, not just Cata, just move I've just started playing ranked again, and in 40-50 matches I've only seen one weaver, a couple tempests and one core ele. Meanwhile, there have always been a catalyst, sometimes even 2 per team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoWantsAHug.3186 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Downstate.4697 said: They actually hard gutted catalyst and prob ruined offhand dagger with churning earth change Hard gutted cata,?probably. Churning earth was too OP though. Justified nerf Edited July 19, 2023 by WhoWantsAHug.3186 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoWantsAHug.3186 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Myror.7521 said: Dont be mad ele Mains. Your now at same state as warr was. First you get wrong things nerfed then you will get right things nerfed but not get the damaged no needed nerfs rebuffed so you will stay in damaged state for years. Well at least you are not warr and get your whole class theme nerfed (hard hit burst skills/CC dmg) get the real things nerfed and never refreshed the to dump nerfs xd. Stay Safe guys lel ^^ Warrior is strong right now though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Arrow Blade of El Elyon.9341 said: If nerfed in sPvP please also in WvW. Why? Worst take on this game over all. Wvw has a LOT more going on with builds and effects then spvp could even hope to get. It even has a much bigger player base then spvp could ever hope to have. Spvp is consuming it self and is it "zombly" mood as well as the main players are effectively ban because they explored there skills to sell games and wins. Spvp is doom it has been for some time the balancing in spvp is toxic and bad and will only bring down other game times. Even the player base are seen as the worst of gw2. Edited July 19, 2023 by Jski.6180 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow Blade of El Elyon.9341 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Jski.6180 said: Why? Because fighting them in WvW is still like fighting a raid-boss. I haven't really tried in sPVP, not sure I want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 @WhoWantsAHug.3186 well Spam warr is strong (condi Berserker and Bladesworn) the Rest is okayish Tier at best in higher tiers ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 @Dreams.3128 yea idk the whole warr Meta is absolute garbage rn. I can't enjoy playing it anymore and im Just warr Player since Release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Core ele doesn't have any identity other than: some ele build that doesn't run weaver, tempest, or cata as one of it's 3 traitlines. Defining something by what it isn't makes for incredibly vague identity that doesn't really mean anything. What this mechanically boils down to is that core ele is just catalyst without jade sphere and a different 3rd traitline, or tempest without overloads (weaver is actually different with its dual attunement system). This applies to most classes too: core warrior is just berserker without berserk mode, core ranger is just druid without celestial avatar form, etc. Technically core rev has ancient echo and core engi has the elite toolbelt skill which while good skills aren't hugely impactful on gameplay certainly not gameplay defining. Core guard has base virtues which while effective are basically the most bland version of them possible. I would only consider core necro as having a real identity as death shroud is fairly different from the other 3 shroud forms. My point is, complaining about nerfing core parts of ele (or any core class) is silly because not all of the strongest parts of a class are tied to it's elite specs. The reality is that even if catalyst was only the third best traitline for ele to take them people would take it and then other people would complain about catalyst even when perhaps there are 2 core traitlines far superior to it. Infact, the only time a "core build" becomes the best option over elite spec builds is when 3 of the 5 core traitlines are better than all 3 of the espec lines, it's not something to realistically expect anet to balance around yet we've still had numerous core builds in the meta over the years. The reality is that 2/3 of all elite spec build's traits are core, and almost always use at least 1 core weapon and some core utilities/heal/elite skill. The core abilities that get used on many different builds both core and elite do so because they are strong/stronger than their elite spec counterparts and it simply makes more sense to nerf those rather than random filler skills/traits on especs because "they shouldn't nerf core". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dreams.3128 said: Meanwhile there is a whole thread dedicating to saying that Spellbreaker is broken and Engineer being the exact state you've described for years. Just cause a thread exists doesn't mean the assertion the opener made is true. 3 hours ago, WhoWantsAHug.3186 said: Warrior is strong right now though. Correct. I'm not of the position that its broken, but it works. Bladesworn excessively so. Arc divider change still annoys me. 11 hours ago, magickthief.6492 said: Ele all over is OP, not just Cata, just move Core and freshweaver arent. Fire weaver debatable. Cata definitely. Tempest also debatable. Aurashare is good. Other variants not op but still work. Edited July 19, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdealer.2197 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) so am I wrong for thinking these nerfs hit my core power ele more then they did cata? I kinda really relied on the scepter water 2 for survivability aswel as the 3 for sustain.. (shattersomething and trident or w/e) Edited July 19, 2023 by deathdealer.2197 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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