Ezrael.6859 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Cleansing Flame removes conditions on allies that you use the skill on, this is an extremely niche part of the skill and not often utilised. I think this should be updated to not only remove conditions from allies in the flames but to also remove conditions from the Guardian while breathing these flames, this is a slow skill with a long channel that must be used at close range to enemies or allies. If you have allies that need conditions removed directly in front of you then it is likely that you need the same conditions removed or you are actively receiving incoming conditions while trying to remove them from those allies, if the skill was updated to also benefit the Guardian at the same time then it would actually make it a worthwhile skill to channel at close range while standing in danger across multiple game modes. Ideally it should be updated to transfer conditions from the Guardian onto enemies being hit, but that's an area of gameplay we probably won't get for Guardian unfortunately; we already had our ability to remove boons on enemies stripped from us back in June 2015 when the Searing Flames trait was removed from the game. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Kai.3682 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I’d rather they just get rid of the cleansing part and up the damage via strike damage or a couple more stacks of burning, then rename it to Vengeance Flames or something. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I've generally thought it should do something like removing conditions when you start and finish or something. I can see why they wouldn't make it self-cleanse every tick, but they could at least allow some. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 9:29 AM, Lonewolf Kai.3682 said: I’d rather they just get rid of the cleansing part and up the damage via strike damage or a couple more stacks of burning, then rename it to Vengeance Flames or something. I would go the opposite direction to be honest. Make it more of a support/dps hybrid and leave pistol offhand as THE condi dps weapon. Also I hate torch for condi dps. Mostly cause of radiant fire though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuriGashi.5617 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Good suggestion, pretty sure many Guardians would appreciate such a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaiawolf.8261 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I'd be down with making torch a condi/support option while oh pistol is a condi/utility weapon with the CC on #5. I don't think anything should be THE DPS weapon. That just limits options too much and creates narrower BIS bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonewolf Kai.3682 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Nooooooooo!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahlaradra.5837 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 As long as I will be a gun wielding light priest bringing retribution to heretics in the end, all is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arken.3725 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Cleansing flame should clear condi's on the user as well. Torch has not been utilized in spvp at all, even since release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova Starr.2069 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) On 12/14/2023 at 1:20 AM, Kuya.6495 said: I would go the opposite direction to be honest. Make it more of a support/dps hybrid The final blow on condi guardian builds. Edited January 3 by Supernova Starr.2069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Supernova Starr.2069 said: The final blow or condi guardian builds. ? Pistol??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernova Starr.2069 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 14 hours ago, Kuya.6495 said: ? Pistol??? Mind you, condi builds are only viable(ish) at SPvP/WvW right now ever since anet butchered Power of the Virtuous without any lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Supernova Starr.2069 said: Mind you, condi builds are only viable(ish) at SPvP/WvW right now ever since anet butchered Power of the Virtuous without any lube. What Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 18 hours ago, Kuya.6495 said: ? Pistol??? Offhand pistol is too dependent on comboing with mainhand pistol - unless that gets changed, condi guardian will still need torch for their other set unless the intent is for P/- + -/P builds to be the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 9 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said: Offhand pistol is too dependent on comboing with mainhand pistol - unless that gets changed, condi guardian will still need torch for their other set unless the intent is for P/- + -/P builds to be the norm. [sPvP] I will say that hybrid form of condi/power bursts doesn't work in any shape or form and I don't see a "condi meta" forming anytime soon. This has a lot to do with the amount of individual cleanses each class has. That said, off-hand pistol power oriented damage feels awesome while mainhand pistol is a tossup. Mainhand pistol has 1 good damage skill.... that's the only saving grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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