Why is the Permastealth thief a thing?

Psycoprophet.8107 · November 2, 2019

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

Sir Vincent III.1286 · November 3, 2019

@"Doug.4930" said:
Vocal minority etc etc the usual types.
@"Virdo.1540"Any chance you or your "guildies" could make a tutorial video on perma steathing whilst marked? I'd love to see it. Hell actually if you could make a video where you can remain in stealth for 10 seconds straight while marked I'd really appreciate it.

That's about right. Scourge, Firebrand, Holo, and Mirage in that exact order.

Burnfall.9573 · November 3, 2019

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

-As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave-

The End

Doug.4930 · November 3, 2019

@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

-

As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave

-

The End

For the sake of your never ending "delete thief posts" Could you define toxicity?

Because forgive me, but wouldn't "toxic" classes be subjective?

Burnfall.9573 · November 3, 2019

@Doug.4930 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

-

As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave

-

The End

For the sake of your never ending "delete thief posts" Could you define toxicity?

Because forgive me, but wouldn't "toxic" classes be subjective?

Doug.4930 · November 3, 2019

@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Doug.4930 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

-

As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave

-

The End

For the sake of your never ending "delete thief posts" Could you define toxicity?

Because forgive me, but wouldn't "toxic" classes be subjective?

Hey I've seen that vid. Care to explain how that applies to only thief and not literally every single POF spec?

EDIT:With keeping this image in mind when you answer please.

Psycoprophet.8107 · November 3, 2019

Lol mesmer is toxic cuz thief lmao seriously? Mesmer is toxic cuz it can spam clones that do deeps, they can swaps with them, have crazy mobility, burst and a variety of defensive tools including ur " toxic ports and invisiblity" lol. If they could only have 1 clone and it doesn't do deeps or two at absolute max they'd be way less toxic. Nothing to do with thief

Burnfall.9573 · November 3, 2019

@Doug.4930 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Doug.4930 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

-

As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave

-

The End

For the sake of your never ending "delete thief posts" Could you define toxicity?

Because forgive me, but wouldn't "toxic" classes be subjective?

Hey I've seen that vid. Care to explain how that applies to only thief and not literally every single POF spec?

EDIT:

With keeping this image in mind when you answer please.

because everything has to do with Thief Profession

https://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/guild-wars-2-are-thieves-and-mesmer-s-the-cause-of-the-meta

Jugglemonkey.8741 · November 3, 2019

@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Doug.4930 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Doug.4930 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Psycoprophet.8107 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Burnfall.9573 said:
@Virdo.1540 said:
@thepenmonster.3621 said:
@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

-

As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave

-

The End

For the sake of your never ending "delete thief posts" Could you define toxicity?

Because forgive me, but wouldn't "toxic" classes be subjective?

Hey I've seen that vid. Care to explain how that applies to only thief and not literally every single POF spec?

EDIT:

With keeping this image in mind when you answer please.

because everything has to do with Thief Profession

https://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/guild-wars-2-are-thieves-and-mesmer-s-the-cause-of-the-meta

Article written by Lewis Burnell on Jan 13, 2015. Would you kindly care to explain;1) how a close to 5 year old article has any relevance to the state of the game today, especially after two expacs?2) how an article printed before the advent of HoT refutes my earlier point that GW2 lost it's eSports status in a time period when Thief was considered so bad in PvE people would literally AFK until you rerolled to another class? And how does this loss of competitive scene somehow become Thief's fault and not any of the meta classes during that period?

Annnnnd....

@Burnfall.9573 said:>It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.3) why you seem intent on making the Thief profession sound as bad as the Fire Nation? You're making Zuko out to be Ozai here.

Doug.4930 · November 4, 2019

@"Jugglemonkey.8741" said:3) why you seem intent on making the Thief profession sound as bad as the Fire Nation? You're making Zuko out to be Ozai here.

Its usually always the same people. They do it so frequently that that they've become known for it.For instance:[Warrior main who thinks warriors are under powered, hates thief and wants it removed from the game.]Guarantee you that if you've used these forums even somewhat over the past year you know who I'm talking about. I don't even need to type the account name, you all know.

Because its the same people just spouting the same rubbish over and over. There's nothing wrong with being critical of how thief or stealth plays. I've even made suggestions on how it could be nerfed and have shown why i think some thief builds are overtuned/"tOxIc". But with a few select people on here the only acceptable change is to delete or gut the class because they're convinced its blatantly the most overpowered class in the game by a colossal margin. When in reality its a class that can be annoying to fight, but sits at around the middle of the field.

Jugglemonkey.8741 · November 4, 2019

@Doug.4930 said:
@"Jugglemonkey.8741" said:3) why you seem intent on making the Thief profession sound as bad as the Fire Nation? You're making Zuko out to be Ozai here.

Its usually always the same people. They do it so frequently that that they've become known for it.For instance:[Warrior main who thinks warriors are under powered, hates thief and wants it removed from the game.]Guarantee you that if you've used these forums even somewhat over the past year you know who I'm talking about. I don't even need to type the account name, you all know.

Because its the same people just spouting the same rubbish over and over. There's nothing wrong with being critical of how thief or stealth plays. I've even made suggestions on how it could be nerfed and have shown why i think some thief builds are overtuned/"tOxIc". But with a few select people on here the only acceptable change is to delete or gut the class because they're convinced its blatantly the most overpowered class in the game by a colossal margin. When in reality its a class that can be annoying to fight, but sits at around the middle of the field.

Aye, I've been around here for a while so I know the usual offenders and their patterns. It's just fun to annoy them I guess, hence the two serious points and the one that's just an Avatar reference.

Doug.4930 · November 4, 2019

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:
@Doug.4930 said:
@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:3) why you seem intent on making the Thief profession sound as bad as the Fire Nation? You're making Zuko out to be Ozai here.

Its usually always the same people. They do it so frequently that that they've become known for it.For instance:[Warrior main who thinks warriors are under powered, hates thief and wants it removed from the game.]Guarantee you that if you've used these forums even somewhat over the past year you know who I'm talking about. I don't even need to type the account name, you all know.

Because its the same people just spouting the same rubbish over and over. There's nothing wrong with being critical of how thief or stealth plays. I've even made suggestions on how it could be nerfed and have shown why i think some thief builds are overtuned/"tOxIc". But with a few select people on here the only acceptable change is to delete or gut the class because they're convinced its blatantly the most overpowered class in the game by a colossal margin. When in reality its a class that can be annoying to fight, but sits at around the middle of the field.

Aye, I've been around here for a while so I know the usual offenders and their patterns. It's just fun to annoy them I guess, hence the two serious points and the one that's just an Avatar reference.

Toph would have a better idea on how to see the real problems with this game than many people on here.

Burnfall.9573 · November 4, 2019

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@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?

They kept getting killed by a stealthed thief.

no its just broken kitten if a thief keeps stealth forever in any kind of keep or so even while marked and revealed

thought they had fixed it or is it now a feature?

it's been a feature since guild wars 2 beta. For the past 8 years; the community has given Anet enough evidence of how unhealthy and toxic perma-stealth is.

During the past 8 years, Perma-stealth has resulted in guild wars 2 population drops including new-potential players from enjoying the game.

Thief Profession in itself continue to be the main Profession who is responsible for the game decline as a whole for being toxic in wvw and pvp.

Anet once again will continue to ignore this matter. Why you ask? Why not??

Perma-stealth is toxic to any healthy competition

The only solution is to go elsewhere where players experiences and their enjoyment matters

Nothing will change-8 years is enough evidence that players healthy fun competition does not matter-

(i recently wrote a post about how Guild Wars 1 continue to embrace players experiences and their enjoyments)

take a look-

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/87353/future-potential-wvw-centric-balance-changes-september-13th-2019#latest

Just a thought, but the HoT development cycle was the one where thief was considered so bad in sPvP that people would AFK until you rerolled, and it was also the same period in which GW2 lost eSports status. So if you want to blame something for the decline in competitive play during that period, how about picking something that was actually meta? You know, like the bunker chrono & herald meta that practically killed the weekly tournaments by itself etc.

Actually to take this further a lot of top players have stated mesmer was the specific toxic class that made esl not interested in gw2 pvp, one of burn falls actual favorite classes tho he speaks out against toxicity lol

If he's a mesmer main that makes a lot of sense actually.

He stated mesmer and necro were his fav. Nothing like scourges in wvw or mirage/crono's tanking tons of damage while constantly swapping places with their clones their spamming making it wack a mole game play lol hit the chrono once than it's a clone, find the real one again and nope as soon as it knows ur targeting it swap again etc etc which is just as toxic gameplay as thieves mobility if not more. Yet hes always spouting toxicity

I'm for Truth and against Toxicity....Anet can validate it including my history in the forums throughout the years.

Also I do not make exceptions when it comes to Toxicity among the professions.The reasonings behind my stance against Thief Profession is because Guild Wars has no place for it. In Guild Wars, Mesmer, Necromancer Professions existed without being Toxic including the world of Guild Wars.

It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.

Necromancer and Mesmer Professions are no longer who they are called to be, they've become Toxic and lost their ways.

That is what Toxic does, it infects your root-your identity than it strips you off your purpose and your role until it completely destroys you.

-With the introduction of Thief Profession, is the death of Guild Wars-

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As Long Thief Profession Remains, Guild Wars Remains In The Grave

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The End

For the sake of your never ending "delete thief posts" Could you define toxicity?

Because forgive me, but wouldn't "toxic" classes be subjective?

Hey I've seen that vid. Care to explain how that applies to only thief and not literally every single POF spec?

EDIT:

With keeping this image in mind when you answer please.

because everything has to do with Thief Profession

https://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/guild-wars-2-are-thieves-and-mesmer-s-the-cause-of-the-meta

Article written by Lewis Burnell on Jan 13, 2015. Would you kindly care to explain;1) how a close to 5 year old article has any relevance to the state of the game today, especially after two expacs?2) how an article printed before the advent of HoT refutes my earlier point that GW2 lost it's eSports status in a time period when Thief was considered so bad in PvE people would literally AFK until you rerolled to another class? And how does this loss of competitive scene somehow become Thief's fault and not any of the meta classes during that period?

Annnnnd....

@Burnfall.9573 said:>
It all changed with the inclusion and the existence of Thief Profession
. Thief Profession brought in Toxicity to the world of Guild Wars and Infected all the other Professions...so much that it forced them to change their roles and destroyed their identities.3) why you seem intent on making the Thief profession sound as bad as the Fire Nation? You're making Zuko out to be Ozai here.

These questions are directed to Thief Profession designs and mechanics and how their influences and presence negatively impacts the game and the community

I have some questions for Thief Profession players, have you ever wonder how your Profession affects other players including new-potential players?

Are you self-aware that your design and mechanics are unhealthy for the well-being of the game?

Have you noticed warning signs that of players attempting in avoiding you?

Have your presence in the game benefited or improved other players experienced resulting in the growth of the game and improving healthy competition to everyone around you?

Yes, it's always other players fault? learn to 'dodge', 'ltp', 'reroll' Never been to blame...at what cost? Was it worth it really?

What are you willing to lose in helping to grow, improve and to benefit the community experiences including its environments?

What are your assurance in your self-improvement to the community and to the game?

I encourage Thief Players to take a step back to annalized how their Profession is hurting the game more than helping in healing it

-thank you-

Psycoprophet.8107 · November 4, 2019

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@"Sobx.1758" said:What is the point of this thread?