Buran.3796 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 @Crackmonster.2790 said:I'm quite new to revenant myself - but i did look at the builds and i just don't see how herald is ever competitive with renegade. It just gives some randoms boons which any impactful of which you can already full uptime with a renegade for yourself, and lacks real damage abilties - lacks synergy with battle scars for healing, cant alacrity your group. It seems more like a stylistic choice for solo play. Shortbow is very good also for both power and condition as swap for when you need to be in ranged or to tag mobs. I use diviner gear for boon duration....With condi Herald most of damage comes from torment, so instead of running runes of nightmare as condi Renegade uses runes of tormenting, which both enhances damage and drains life (and escalates like crazy the more foes you face), which combined with a heal which well placed refills your entire HP each 20 seconds, and the shield is really strong in PvE provides a superior tank build. Happens that in instanced team content this game usually doesn't needs tanks (or that the support builds already are tanky/do damage enough), so from a fractal/raider player the Herald maybe makes no sense. But remember that a lot of players in GW2 do play solo, and Herald is more intuitive to play (energy easier to manage, no complex combos, you always play at mele range... ). Being said that, for a new player which starts in the game with PoF available, I would now advise to unlock the Renegade spec before Herald, because currently has better build diversity, comparable mobility and larger damage potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Im fairly new to revenant and I play in groups and do things like bounties and I was leaning towards herald but I want the shortbow so I'm very confused at this point ? . I don't know which is better for me because I play solo and in groups. Like I said I'm very confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 @DARKSLAYER.4793 said:Im fairly new to revenant and I play in groups and do things like bounties and I was leaning towards herald but I want the shortbow so I'm very confused at this point ? . I don't know which is better for me because I play solo and in groups. Like I said I'm very confusedno harm in having builds for both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:@DARKSLAYER.4793 said:Im fairly new to revenant and I play in groups and do things like bounties and I was leaning towards herald but I want the shortbow so I'm very confused at this point ? . I don't know which is better for me because I play solo and in groups. Like I said I'm very confusedno harm in having builds for bothIndeed! That's what equipment templates are for. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Eventually I would do both but I wanted to know which to do first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy.3257 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Renegade saved my Rev from being a mule. I play power Renegade and LOVE it ( PVE). Burst damage and sustain is about the best off all the classes I have played.Im running Maurader armor , Valkayrie trinkets, Assassain weapons , Fireworks runes. I Use Short bow 90% of the time . I swap to staff if I want to wreck a break bar fast.Hardy ever go out of Renegade stance but if I do I use Dwarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Also if I do renegade then would bow/staff be better or bow/sword & sword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Lately I've playing both power Renegade and condi Renegade in PvE and WvW (and only power in PvP) using the same traits from what is essentially the PvP build (Shiro + Jalis Short Bow & Staff) and I found that the damage is similar (50% + 50% cavalier + assassin + speed runes vs viper + trailblazer + nightmare runes) but that build is not optimized in traits to deal maximum condi damage, so in reality condi would have an edge. Anyway, both are very competitive and you can jump from game modes without making changes. The advantage of the power build is that swapping to staff doesn't hurt your dps that much.In a few days I'll upload a small video showcasing a few examples of the performance. The fastest killing machine still seems to be the quickness burn Firebrand, but that one is too glass cannon to work in PvP/roaming and lacks some quality of life features due moves way slower and has much weaker access to cleanses and stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.5148 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I picked up condi Renegade (Viper's) on a new character. Having PVP'd for two years in a row (and now quit PVPing) I had enough tokens to get ascended mace/axe and two armor pieces, as well as a full set of exotic Viper's.It's seriously powerful. Last time I played GW2 in PVE I ran zerker Ele and condi Mirage. Mirage DPS seemed to rely on confusion so slow enemies didn't really take as much damage. Zerker Ele was super squishy in PVE and I remember dying a lot. Condi Renegade already seems to blitz through everything. When I take Retribution instead of Invocation I am able to solo champions. Projectile-spamming champions are easily solved by running Centaur Stance.It's a fun build. I have to thank Metabattle for providing it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Also could someone pls send a good build for ren cuz idk which one is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abelisk.5148 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 @"DARKSLAYER.4793" said:Also could someone pls send a good build for ren cuz idk which one is goodhttps://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Renegade_-_Shortbow_RenegadeI used this page to help with my build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 OK tysm =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esquilax.3491 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Get both, or all three. My rev uses diviner, viper, trailblazer for both Herald and Renegade across 5 builds. If you hotkey your builds and equipment you can easily change on the fly. Renegade is definitely more fun and superior most of the time but believe me Herald is unbeatable for tanking things when set up right with trailblazer gear and viper runes, you can snooze your way through content like Hot hero points, champions etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Yea I see your point…but i think I'm going for ren first.Also sry for being such a bother but one last question.... Should I do Shortbow & sword/sword or Shortbow & staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boz.2038 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Shortbow and Sword/Sword is very nice, comfortable, with good DPS. Staff offers tanking and CC, but is otherwise not as powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celldrax.2849 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 The difference between renegade and herald for each respective condi build is kinda like the difference between viper and trailblazer . Renegade burst isn't amazing, but you have more than enough sustain and direct damage abilities on hand to get you through most encounters. But if absolute survival is what you want whilst still dealing out an acceptable level of damage, then my god does condi herald have ridiculously otherworldly sustain. Only thing that will kill you in that build is stupid amounts of CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKSLAYER.4793 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Tysm everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf.9805 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 @"LolLookAtMyAP.8394" said:@"DARKSLAYER.4793" said:Also could someone pls send a good build for ren cuz idk which one is goodhttps://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Renegade_-_Shortbow_RenegadeI used this page to help with my build.Is this build good for wvw or just pve?And i cant see there any movement speed buff can someone share wvw condi ren build pls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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