Kittymarks - The derpy girl's comprehensive benchmark

[LadyKitty.6120]

@Static.9841 said:You know, if this was "I just benchmarked a bunch of random weapons and builds for funsies" I wouldn't even bat an eye. The fact you're actually 100% serious about this and vehemently defending bad choices in abilities, traits, random weapon changes using meta builds and bad rotations without any real care or thorough testing is where the problem lies. When something is pointed out to you, you won't even consider the argument, instead you either cry "elitist" or "speedrunner" or you just continue to defend your decision and stubbornly refuse to learn anything.

The worst part of this is your lack of credibility, here is the video from your Cairn run -

You didn't even pull your weight here and it was painful watching your performance because you don't even seem to know the mechanics of the fight - you got hit by just about everything and you actively walked into as many teleports as you possibly could, at one point you even decide to give up even going for green circles and just mindlessly attack the boss until you're inevitably downed. You downed many, many times and thoroughly got carried through that raid. You made a previous claim that in pug groups you typically perform highest DPS and keep touting this 20k DPS number and yet you came nowhere close to either claim in this raid video. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know raid mechanics let alone the ability to play any of the classes you have benchmarked with any degree of competency regardless of the builds or weapons used and actively had to be carried? Just because you label something "kitten" doesn't excuse terrible performance and zero boss knowledge when you're trying to be taken seriously and have your videos and website used as some kind of resource.

You are trying to push these 'benchmarks' as a resource to newbie raiders and casual raiders and all this is going to do is teach them terrible habits, not to care about their builds or rotations (despite you using your own rotations) and to just tear straight in with whatever they feel like because it's ok as long as the support and everyone else are running proper builds. You're actively trying to make a newbie pug experience worse because all they will gain from this will be getting kicked or flamed for their performance which you can then wash your hands of because you can claim once again that it's toxicity of "elitists" and "speedrunners" and no fault of theirs or your 'resource', this entire attitude is hugely disrespectful and dismissive to the raid community.

"Kitty derped it." - the video description for the said video. That was pretty much the most horrible run Kitty's had this far.

[Static.9841]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:"Kitty derped it." - the video description for the said video. That was pretty much the most horrible run Kitty's had this far.

"Just because you label something "derped" doesn't excuse terrible performance and zero boss knowledge when you're trying to be taken seriously and have your videos and website used as some kind of resource."

Called it.

This is a video you keep posting yourself. Either you want to be taken seriously or you don't. If you do, you're harming your own case even further. To say "derped" doesn't excuse being hit by absolutely everything possible. I feel this video quite adequately shows your lack of knowledge of boss mechanics.

[Coconut.7082]

@Kheldorn.5123 said:

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Kheldorn.5123 said:

@Static.9841 said:You know, if this was "I just benchmarked a bunch of random weapons and builds for funsies" I wouldn't even bat an eye. The fact you're actually 100% serious about this and vehemently defending bad choices in abilities, traits, random weapon changes using meta builds and bad rotations without any real care or thorough testing is where the problem lies. When something is pointed out to you, you won't even consider the argument, instead you either cry "elitist" or "speedrunner" or you just continue to defend your decision and stubbornly refuse to learn anything.

The worst part of this is your lack of credibility, here is the video from your Cairn run -

You didn't even pull your weight here and it was painful watching your performance because you don't even seem to know the mechanics of the fight - you got hit by just about everything and you actively walked into as many teleports as you possibly could, at one point you even decide to give up even going for green circles and just mindlessly attack the boss until you're inevitably downed. You died many, many times and thoroughly got carried through that raid. You made a previous claim that in pug groups you typically perform highest DPS and keep touting this 20k DPS number and yet you came nowhere close to either claim in this raid video. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know raid mechanics let alone the ability to play any of the classes you have benchmarked with any degree of competency regardless of the builds or weapons used?

You are trying to push these 'benchmarks' as a resource to newbie raiders and casual raiders and all this is going to do is teach them terrible habits, not to care about their builds or rotations (despite you using your own rotations) and to just tear straight in with whatever they feel like because it's ok as long as the support and everyone else are running proper builds. You're actively trying to make a newbie pug experience worse because all they will gain from this will be getting kicked or flamed for their performance which you can then wash your hands of because you can claim once again that it's toxicity of "elitists" and "speedrunners" and no fault of theirs or your 'resource'.

They killed the boss - mission complete. There is always way to improve, for everyone. But in this example she managed to kill raid boss with the chosen builds. That's enough of the justification.

This boss can be soloed. As long as there are at least a few mildly competent players in the group, killing the boss does not show much about a specific build.In the video, Kitty has an entire utility kit she doesn't use (Bomb Kit, the major DPS kit of this build), an elite skill never used, absolutely no knowledge of how the class works (cancelling Photon-forge therefore not overheating, not getting Laser's Edge = 15% damage loss) among other stuff.It effectively showed how to get less DPS than a competent Chrono, on a DPS class.

if the boss can be soloed, clearly her build deals enough damage to kill it in party

With that logic, clearly every build deals enough damage to kill it in a party (As long as there is one player who can carry you).Learn the difference between getting carried and carrying your own weight please.

[LadyKitty.6120]

@Static.9841 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:"Kitty derped it." - the video description for the said video. That was pretty much the most horrible run Kitty's had this far.

"Just because you label something "derped" doesn't excuse terrible performance and zero boss knowledge when you're trying to be taken seriously and have your videos and website used as some kind of resource."

Called it.

This is a video you keep posting yourself. Either you want to be taken seriously or you don't. If you do, you're harming your own case even further. To say "derped" doesn't excuse being hit by absolutely everything possible. I feel this video quite adequately shows your lack of knowledge of boss mechanics.

Another thingie Kitty better mention: She has recorded lots of videos. And she has a tendency of writing "Derpy" in the title if she knows she's failed hard somewhere (it's not like Kitty's totally oblivious to her bad plays). And you guys like to link those derpy vids. As in the case of Cairn, Kitty does have issues seeing those black-orange circles through all the skill effects and she usually reacts too slow to evade them in time (Kitty's visual reaction time currently is 300ms+ if concentrating just on one mechanic and for ex. at VG, she relies on audio cue to avoid blues, but Cairn doesn't have such). Compared to most raid bosses (according to Kitty's experiences), Cairn's projectiles and circles are quite fast mechanisms and Kitty's indeed horrible at them x.x'

And from urban dictionary in case you don't know the meaning of the word "derpy": "To be inefficient, slow, unable, inexperienced, not working correctly, stupid, naive, etc. "

If you want to see Kitty's actual performance, how about checking the vids without that prefix?

And it's not like Kitty even expects from you guys (or any skilled player) to take her seriously anymore. 'Cause you clearly don't and won't.

E: Due to sensitive sensor on this forum, Kitty can't write the word she likes to use for her fail-tendency here without it getting turned into kitten. Anyway, replace kittens with the first name of that super-accident prone grey pony.E2: It got fixed somehow o.oE3: ...or not.E4: If you don't know the pony, this one... https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/86/ac/0686acc2e1640792628c35fc2b2f0e0f.gif

[maddoctor.2738]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:Kitty's half-assuming such, due to the inflexibility of raid community.

I understand why you used all the support options, so your dps is comparable with the qt and others dps, however that doesn't defeat anything I said.

So your reason for going through all this effort is to combat the "inflexibility of the raid community"?If 9/10 of the players in the group are already using meta builds, asking the "raid community" to be flexible and fill the last slot with a much lower dps build is not fair to those 9 players. Showing that lower dps builds can reach the threshold and kill the boss doesn't mean you have to be unfair to the rest of the team, that use builds required to reach those numbers anyway. That's all I'm saying.

Either every slot is flexible, or no slot is flexible.

[LadyKitty.6120]

@maddoctor.2738 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:Kitty's half-assuming such, due to the inflexibility of raid community.

I understand why you used all the support options, so your dps is comparable with the qt and others dps, however that doesn't defeat anything I said.

So your reason for going through all this effort is to combat the "inflexibility of the raid community"?If 9/10 of the players in the group are already using meta builds, asking the "raid community" to be flexible and fill the last slot with a much lower dps build is not fair to those 9 players. Showing that lower dps builds can reach the threshold and kill the boss doesn't mean you have to be unfair to the rest of the team, that use builds

required

to reach those numbers anyway. That's all I'm saying.

Either every slot is flexible, or no slot is flexible.

Hope you realize, though, that a well-played non-meta build can do better damage than not-so-well-played metabuilds, though. And also, a different weapon variation of high-DPS metaclass can do higher DPS than metabuild of not-so-high metaclass.E: Like, if we speak of qT-builds, Kitty does dare claim that shortbow/axe+torch condi soulbeast (which has way better DPS uptime than dagger+torch meta-version at melee-hating bosses) does higher DPS than meta-power thieves and conditempest.

[Coconut.7082]

@Kheldorn.5123 said:

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Kheldorn.5123 said:

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Kheldorn.5123 said:

@Static.9841 said:You know, if this was "I just benchmarked a bunch of random weapons and builds for funsies" I wouldn't even bat an eye. The fact you're actually 100% serious about this and vehemently defending bad choices in abilities, traits, random weapon changes using meta builds and bad rotations without any real care or thorough testing is where the problem lies. When something is pointed out to you, you won't even consider the argument, instead you either cry "elitist" or "speedrunner" or you just continue to defend your decision and stubbornly refuse to learn anything.

The worst part of this is your lack of credibility, here is the video from your Cairn run -

You didn't even pull your weight here and it was painful watching your performance because you don't even seem to know the mechanics of the fight - you got hit by just about everything and you actively walked into as many teleports as you possibly could, at one point you even decide to give up even going for green circles and just mindlessly attack the boss until you're inevitably downed. You died many, many times and thoroughly got carried through that raid. You made a previous claim that in pug groups you typically perform highest DPS and keep touting this 20k DPS number and yet you came nowhere close to either claim in this raid video. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you don't even know raid mechanics let alone the ability to play any of the classes you have benchmarked with any degree of competency regardless of the builds or weapons used?

You are trying to push these 'benchmarks' as a resource to newbie raiders and casual raiders and all this is going to do is teach them terrible habits, not to care about their builds or rotations (despite you using your own rotations) and to just tear straight in with whatever they feel like because it's ok as long as the support and everyone else are running proper builds. You're actively trying to make a newbie pug experience worse because all they will gain from this will be getting kicked or flamed for their performance which you can then wash your hands of because you can claim once again that it's toxicity of "elitists" and "speedrunners" and no fault of theirs or your 'resource'.

They killed the boss - mission complete. There is always way to improve, for everyone. But in this example she managed to kill raid boss with the chosen builds. That's enough of the justification.

This boss can be soloed. As long as there are at least a few mildly competent players in the group, killing the boss does not show much about a specific build.In the video, Kitty has an entire utility kit she doesn't use (Bomb Kit, the major DPS kit of this build), an elite skill never used, absolutely no knowledge of how the class works (cancelling Photon-forge therefore not overheating, not getting Laser's Edge = 15% damage loss) among other stuff.It effectively showed how to get less DPS than a competent Chrono, on a DPS class.

if the boss can be soloed, clearly her build deals enough damage to kill it in party

With that logic, clearly every build deals enough damage to kill it in a party (As long as there is one player who can carry you).Learn the difference between getting carried and carrying your own weight please.

Look at the other way around. Other players dealt way too much damage as this boss requires much less dps than provided by benchmarks. The boss was killed, people get rewarded nobody cries but some random elitists who didn't even participate in the kill.

Apologies friend, next time I'll do my best to not deal "way too much damage" so everyone else can contribute their fair share.(Lol, seriously?)

@LadyKitty.6120 said:

@Static.9841 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:"Kitty derped it." - the video description for the said video. That was pretty much the most horrible run Kitty's had this far.

"Just because you label something "derped" doesn't excuse terrible performance and zero boss knowledge when you're trying to be taken seriously and have your videos and website used as some kind of resource."

Called it.

This is a video you keep posting yourself. Either you want to be taken seriously or you don't. If you do, you're harming your own case even further. To say "derped" doesn't excuse being hit by absolutely everything possible. I feel this video quite adequately shows your lack of knowledge of boss mechanics.

Another thingie Kitty better mention: She has recorded lots of videos. And she has a tendency of writing "kitten" in the title if she knows she's failed hard somewhere (it's not like Kitty's totally oblivious to her bad plays).

Do share some of those videos with us please.

@LadyKitty.6120 said:

@maddoctor.2738 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:Kitty's half-assuming such, due to the inflexibility of raid community.

I understand why you used all the support options, so your dps is comparable with the qt and others dps, however that doesn't defeat anything I said.

So your reason for going through all this effort is to combat the "inflexibility of the raid community"?If 9/10 of the players in the group are already using meta builds, asking the "raid community" to be flexible and fill the last slot with a much lower dps build is not fair to those 9 players. Showing that lower dps builds can reach the threshold and kill the boss doesn't mean you have to be unfair to the rest of the team, that use builds

required

to reach those numbers anyway. That's all I'm saying.

Either every slot is flexible, or no slot is flexible.

Hope you realize, though, that a well-played non-meta build can do better damage than not-so-well-played metabuilds, though. And also, a different weapon variation of high-DPS metaclass can do higher DPS than metabuild of not-so-high metaclass.

That's true, but it's also possible to do so by using no weapons.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:

@Static.9841 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:"Kitty derped it." - the video description for the said video. That was pretty much the most horrible run Kitty's had this far.

"Just because you label something "derped" doesn't excuse terrible performance and zero boss knowledge when you're trying to be taken seriously and have your videos and website used as some kind of resource."

Called it.

This is a video you keep posting yourself. Either you want to be taken seriously or you don't. If you do, you're harming your own case even further. To say "derped" doesn't excuse being hit by absolutely everything possible. I feel this video quite adequately shows your lack of knowledge of boss mechanics.

Another thingie Kitty better mention: She has recorded lots of videos. And she has a tendency of writing "kitten" in the title if she knows she's failed hard somewhere (it's not like Kitty's totally oblivious to her bad plays). And you guys like to link those kitten vids. As in the case of Cairn, Kitty does have issues seeing those black-orange circles through all the skill effects and she usually reacts too slow to evade them in time (Kitty's visual reaction time currently is 300ms+ if concentrating just on one mechanic and for ex. at VG, she relies on audio cue to avoid blues, but Cairn doesn't have such). Compared to most raid bosses (according to Kitty's experiences), Cairn's projectiles and circles are quite fast mechanisms and Kitty's indeed horrible at them x.x'

And from urban dictionary in case you don't know the meaning of the word "kitten": "To be inefficient, slow, unable, inexperienced, not working correctly, stupid, naive, etc. "

If you want to see Kitty's actual performance, how about checking the vids without that prefix?

And it's not like Kitty even expects from you guys (or any skilled player) to take her seriously anymore. 'Cause you clearly don't and won't.

E: Due to sensitive sensor on this forum, Kitty can't write the word she likes to use for her fail-tendency here without it getting turned into kitten. Anyway, replace kittens with the first name of that super-accident prone grey pony.E2: It got fixed somehow o.oE3: ...or not.E4: If you don't know the pony, this one...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/86/ac/0686acc2e1640792628c35fc2b2f0e0f.gif

This is very good response. Mistakes happen. There is nothing wrong in posting not perfect runs so people can learn from mistakes. I would call out people posting perfect runs only to hide their insecurities and creating a fasade of competent raider. Meanwhile Kitty does mistakes and is not ashamed. This is hwo she can improve. By playing, by testing, by watching her gameplay. This is constructive, honest approach. Something that cannot be said about dedicated haters in this thread.

[Static.9841]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:Another thingie Kitty better mention: She has recorded lots of videos. And she has a tendency of writing "kitten" in the title if she knows she's failed hard somewhere (it's not like Kitty's totally oblivious to her bad plays). And you guys like to link those kitten vids. As in the case of Cairn, Kitty does have issues seeing those black-orange circles through all the skill effects and she usually reacts too slow to evade them in time (Kitty's visual reaction time currently is 300ms+ if concentrating just on one mechanic and for ex. at VG, she relies on audio cue to avoid blues, but Cairn doesn't have such). Compared to most raid bosses (according to Kitty's experiences), Cairn's projectiles and circles are quite fast mechanisms and Kitty's indeed horrible at them x.x'

Actually you like to link those videos as well. I've seen you post this exact video before to show Holosmith in a raid. Now you want to change your tune and make further excuses. If you don't want people to link these kinds of videos back to you and explain just how terrible your performance was and how you got thoroughly carried, not to mention how it proves your 20k dps and highest dps in pugs as false, maybe you shouldn't make them public. As I said, you're harming your own case.

You're joking right? How are you claiming they are hard to see? Most of the time you're on one side of Cairn on your own not even within range of getting heals and those teleport circles are clear as day.

And from urban dictionary in case you don't know the meaning of the word "kitten": "To be inefficient, slow, unable, inexperienced, not working correctly, stupid, naive, etc. "

And once again, you're an inexperienced raider who hasn't cleared all raid bosses, doesn't know mechanics and doesn't know the classes they are trying to push in benchmarks and we're supposed to take you seriously? Worse still, newbie raiders and 'casuals' are supposed to take you seriously and use what you've provided as a resource?

If you want to see Kitty's actual performance, how about checking the vids without that prefix?

OK, lets take your condi mesmer vs Gorse video where you are the lowest DPS in the group the entire time and at no point come anywhere close to this 20k dps number you keep pushing that your "off-meta" builds should do. You also get hit by every knockback Gorse throws out, displaying yet again, you don't know simple boss mechanics, you also show a spectacular lack of awareness by dodging back right into orbs giving yourself the DPS debuff and make no attempt to clear it which makes me wonder if you even noticed that it happened. You only lose this debuff when you get downed during the final split phase, then do under 10k dps for the remainder of the fight until you're egged at the end leaving the rest of the group to get the kill.

So because this video wasn't labelled in such a way, is this now an accurate display of your performance? That you cannot identify mechanics and still cannot reach that magic number you keep pitching and have to be carried?

If I have no experience or real knowledge of quantum mechanics, I don't then go and write a book on the subject for newbies to learn and use as a resource and try and excuse all my bad information as "well, I'm not that great at it".

And it's not like Kitty even expects from you guys (or any skilled player) to take her seriously anymore. 'Cause you clearly don't and won't.

When you're constantly making excuses, vehemently defending bad decision making as "off-meta" when you're missing the definition of what off-meta means, how are we meant to take you seriously? You can't even acknowledge that taking Blood Reckoning over WIld Blow is a bad decision - doing this doesn't suddenly make it meta, but it does make it more efficient. Is that your problem, do you not want any kind of efficiency at all, is this just about bring and spam what you like, don't worry about anything, weapons, traits, rotations, none of it?

[lunaeclipse.6843]

I don't understand why "32k is 100%"

This seems completely arbitrary.

Also, any decent renagade should be out dpsing any soulbeast. You need to work on your rotations.

The only good thing i see is that's outs good you are testing off meta builds, so good on you for doing that.

[LadyKitty.6120]

k then.

Carried the weight. (though still derped every now and then. Though Kitty did get caught on the greens AoE on purpose 'cause too lazy to walk back to boss and we had heals).

Carried the DPS-weight (while doing greens, too)

Carry.

Carried the DPS-weight (Kitty's first kill at KC, btw)

Carried the weight (though failed to kill 'cause Kitty had 3 squads in a row where oilkiter failed again and again. On 4th squad Kitty oil-kite'd herself and got the kill <.<)

Though now that Kitty takes a look at her video list, guess she shouldn't say much about DPS-world. For she's played supports the most ._.

[maddoctor.2738]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:

@maddoctor.2738 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:Kitty's half-assuming such, due to the inflexibility of raid community.

I understand why you used all the support options, so your dps is comparable with the qt and others dps, however that doesn't defeat anything I said.

So your reason for going through all this effort is to combat the "inflexibility of the raid community"?If 9/10 of the players in the group are already using meta builds, asking the "raid community" to be flexible and fill the last slot with a much lower dps build is not fair to those 9 players. Showing that lower dps builds can reach the threshold and kill the boss doesn't mean you have to be unfair to the rest of the team, that use builds

required

to reach those numbers anyway. That's all I'm saying.

Either every slot is flexible, or no slot is flexible.

Hope you realize, though, that a well-played non-meta build can do better damage than not-so-well-played metabuilds, though. And also, a different weapon variation of high-DPS metaclass can do higher DPS than metabuild of not-so-high metaclass.

Yes that's why I like GW2Raidar, checking actual in-game values taken from fighting the boss. For example, checking the Cairn data is an amazing way to know which build deals how much damage, on average, on Cairn: https://www.gw2raidar.com/global_stats/area-17194 regardless of what qT or any other benchmark is showing.

Unfortunately there is no way to judge if someone can play their build well or not, before the run starts, and at times it's better to be safe than sorry, especially when pugging. However, in static groups trying non-meta (or silly) builds isn't uncommon at all (unless your static is weird) and in fact it leads to a better raiding experience for statics.

[Lunaire.9741]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:k then.

Carried the weight. (though still derped every now and then. Though Kitty did get caught on the greens AoE on purpose 'cause too lazy to walk back to boss and we had heals).

Carried the DPS-weight (while doing greens, too)

Carry.

Carried the DPS-weight (Kitty's first kill at KC, btw)

Carried the weight (though failed to kill 'cause Kitty had 3 squads in a row where oilkiter failed again and again. On 4th squad Kitty oil-kite'd herself and got the kill <.<)

Though now that Kitty takes a look at her video list, guess she shouldn't say much about DPS-world. For she's played supports the most ._.

Just going to say one thing then leave it. Carry means you go above and beyond. You werent carrying. you were only out dpsing people under 10k which is abysmal for them.

you mean pulled your own weight. difference.

I will agree though high ping is pretty shit i play on 280 + so I can sympathise

[LadyKitty.6120]

@maddoctor.2738 said:Yes that's why I like GW2Raidar, checking actual in-game values taken from fighting the boss. For example, checking the Cairn data is an amazing way to know which build deals how much damage, on average, on Cairn: https://www.gw2raidar.com/global_stats/area-17194 regardless of what qT or any other benchmark is showing.

Unfortunately there is no way to judge if someone can play their build well or not, before the run starts, and at times it's better to be safe than sorry, especially when pugging. However, in static groups trying non-meta (or silly) builds isn't uncommon at all (unless your static is weird) and in fact it leads to a better raiding experience for statics.

Kitty also likes GW2Raidar and uses it herself. That site will become great if people send in enough damage logs, but knowing the player mentality, people mainly send the datas of their good runs there. And pugs prolly won't send much so it will even then be above the pug world. ('cause honestly, even those median values are way above what Kitty's used to see in pug raids). But one can always hope...

[maddoctor.2738]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:

@maddoctor.2738 said:Yes that's why I like GW2Raidar, checking actual in-game values taken from fighting the boss. For example, checking the Cairn data is an amazing way to know which build deals how much damage, on average, on Cairn:

https://www.gw2raidar.com/global_stats/area-17194

regardless of what qT or any other benchmark is showing.

Unfortunately there is no way to judge if someone can play their build well or not, before the run starts, and at times it's better to be safe than sorry, especially when pugging. However, in static groups trying non-meta (or silly) builds isn't uncommon at all (unless your static is weird) and in fact it leads to a better raiding experience for statics.

Kitty also likes GW2Raidar and uses it herself. That site will become great if people send in enough damage logs, but knowing the player mentality, people mainly send the datas of their good runs there. And pugs prolly won't send much so it will even then be above the pug world. ('cause honestly, even those median values are way above what Kitty's used to see in pug raids). But one can always hope...

That's true but at the very least it won't be only qT numbers which are too high for the vast majority of players.

Btw, although I don't think having those non-meta builds would do much for raid flexibility, I do appreciate the time you spent compiling all that data.qT's builds show the highest dps but rarely, if ever, show us the lower performing builds so we see the actual difference, your builds show the difference between meta and non-meta which is a very important metric on its own.

[LadyKitty.6120]

@Lunaire.9741 said:Just going to say one thing then leave it. Carry means you go above and beyond. You werent carrying. you were only out dpsing people under 10k which is abysmal for them.

you mean pulled your own weight. difference.

I will agree though high ping is pretty kitten i play on 280 + so I can sympathise

Well, Kitty's main issue isn't even the high ping, just that she thinks too much and slow on top of having a slow reaction time so she frequently fails to notice details and thus Kitty gets hit by too many mechanics even if she knows well about them (though Kitty has fast audio reaction time, which is why Kitty tends to do relatively well with VG mechanics). Kitty usually deals with ping by predicting a ton, which does work rather well at lots of bosses, but then we have some bosses with random mechanic placement without clear interval and that messes Kitty hard. x.x'

[Static.9841]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:snip

Doing the best out of bad DPS is not carrying. You also couldn't breach 13k on a condi thief which is really poor considering the high amount of DPS it can put out. Once again, you're also showing a lack of knowledge of boss mechanics and being hit by many of them.

If you want to be taken more seriously and used as a resource, then learn the classes you're trying to play and at least use them efficiently regardless of meta or not. Learn boss mechanics and try not to get hit by everything possible.

@LadyKitty.6120 said:Kitty also likes GW2Raidar and uses it herself. That site will become great if people send in enough damage logs, but knowing the player mentality, people mainly send the datas of their good runs there. And pugs prolly won't send much so it will even then be above the pug world. ('cause honestly, even those median values are way above what Kitty's used to see in pug raids). But one can always hope...

Has it crossed your mind that it's not "player mentality" and that many raid groups actually have high and consistent performance because they know their class, rotations and boss mechanics? Taking a dismissive attitude just because you do neither of these things is not placing you in a better light and is making you appear quite bitter of people who perform better than you.

she frequently fails to notice details and thus Kitty gets hit by too many mechanics even if she knows well about themIf you know about them, then how does this explain you receiving the orb debuff at gorse and failing to notice or do anything about it? Had you not have downed during the split phase, you'd have retained that for the rest of the fight.

[FrostDraco.8306]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:k then.

Carried the weight. (though still derped every now and then. Though Kitty did get caught on the greens AoE on purpose 'cause too lazy to walk back to boss and we had heals).

See this irks me. Especially because I play this build a lot. This isn't an non-meta build. In fact it is a semi-meta build, but it isn't used because it has low QoL. It's easy to play, does good damage after ramp up, and is able to hit benchmark numbers easily.

You use focus off hand, which is useless on cairn, instead of torch. Torch allows you to use "the Prestige" off cd which is higher dps than having a useless pull on cairn, or overwriting one of your sword phantasms, WHICH YOU DO CONSISTENTLY in the video. First rule of a mesmer dps build NEVER, and i mean NEVER overwrite or shatter your phantasms if you don't have to. Even more so not overwriting them since the change to phantasmal force. You are gutting your own dps.

Basically proved you dont understand a build with a literal 2 button rotation. You used timewarp and messed with the long duration quickness stacks of your chrono mancer, when you didn't have to, because they are gonna be overwritten anyway, more dps loss. And you are standing on the side with the kiter, which requires you to dodge shards when you don't have to, which is more dps loss.

[Static.9841]

Honestly, what bothers me the most is the following statement:

"Though Kitty did get caught on the greens AoE on purpose 'cause too lazy to walk back to boss and we had heals"

So, you just couldn't be bothered? You're here making videos trying to prove something and you cannot even be bothered to play at the best of your abilities because you were lazy and had heals? What good did those heals do you when you were constantly going into down state for not going to greens? You're basically saying that it doesn't matter how sloppy you are as long as your support does their job. And you wonder why we find it hard to take you seriously and aren't showering you with praise.....

Once again, this isn't about elitism or people slamming you for not having speedrunning builds or mega DPS, it's because you simply don't seem to care at all whether it's at an actual raid or how minimal effort you put into your so-called benchmarks, slapping any old thing together without rhyme or reason, calling it "alternative" or "off-meta" and thinking either statement is your saviour.

Here is some actual advice. Stop making benchmarks and videos and go and learn these classes, work on an optimal rotation for the quirky builds you want to test and learn the boss mechanics. When you have a good idea about all of the above and can play to the best of your ability, start recording and try again because as it stands, you are nowhere near showing how adequately off-meta builds can perform simply because you do not have the knowledge or have made the effort to play them effectively.

[LadyKitty.6120]

'cause Kitty likes non-meta builds...she leaves this thingie here. One of her perhaps worst ideas in action.

[Myhr.9108]

Just keep doing your work, Kitty, seeing videos of sub-optimal build/runs is also interesting for those that are a little open-minded. I think people are just pissed off by you using the term benchmark, because for them a benchmark should just be a goal to aim for, when it's strictly a mark that allows you to make a comparison. (Just to say, I've cleared old Karazhan and new Naxxramas, I've raid lead, and the scientific method is the highest authority I'll take into account on most subjects. I'll let FrostDraco makes what he wants with this information, since he enjoys some good old rhetoric lynching).

[Tarasicodissa.7084]

I still fail to see what good this brings to the community. 90% of your videos are playing exact metabuilds from qT, except you're failing mechanics and butchering rotations, so the resulting DPS is 1/3 of what it could be. In those 10% cases where you decide to play off-meta build, the result is even worse (depending on how far off from the meta it is), which is quite something considering how bad it was to begin with.

In some rare cases, you manage to get top DPS in your party/squad, which proves nothing, because it's quite literally like winning a race against a disabled person. That's understandable, because no parties with competent players would accept you, so you have to resort to playing with the bottom 5% - that gives you the delusion you're playing right. Try to watch some videos from qT or SC - raid boss kills or fractal CM kills. That should give you a general idea of what's possible to do and how far can you push kill times if everyone plays properly and the team coordinates their actions.

[Vinceman.4572]

@LadyKitty.6120 said:'cause Kitty likes non-meta builds...she leaves this thingie here. One of her perhaps worst ideas in action.

This video is the exact reason why I won't join any non-meta and unexperienced T4 fractal group as long as I'm healthy and why I'm about to kick people immediately on/after the first boss with terribad dps.

1. 20 Minutes for one single fractal.
2. 20 Minutes for Nightmare without challenge mode (even with CM the usual group is faster!)
3. Uncountable downstates during the run in a non-cm fractal that is one of the easiest
4. Poor dps numbers
5. Players running around like chicken to spread social awkwardness debuff leading into damaging own teammates
6. Bearbow druid?
7. Greatsword camping mesmer!
8. What is this reaper even doing?
9. I could go on like this...

[LadyKitty.6120]

@Tarasicodissa.7084 said:I still fail to see what good this brings to the community. 90% of your videos are playing exact metabuilds from qT, except you're failing mechanics and butchering rotations, so the resulting DPS is 1/3 of what it could be. In those 10% cases where you decide to play off-meta build, the result is even worse (depending on how far off from the meta it is), which is quite something considering how bad it was to begin with.In some rare cases, you manage to get top DPS in your party/squad, which proves nothing, because it's quite literally like winning a race against a disabled person. That's understandable, because no parties with competent players would accept you, so you have to resort to playing with the bottom 5% - that gives you the delusion you're playing right. Try to watch some videos from qT or SC - raid boss kills or fractal CM kills. That should give you a general idea of what's possible to do and how far can you push kill times if everyone plays properly and the team coordinates their actions.

Kitty doesn't even... first of all. Kitty rarely plays with competent players 'cause she's not part of any static and her guildies aren't ready for raiding yet. Kitty always pugs, both for T4 and raids and sadly, average pug skill level isn't quite what you'd call competent.By the way, you said that Kitty's played metabuilds in 90% of her vids. Guess what? You're correct! To be frank, Kitty's even spent a couple hours on each of the metabuilds trying to hone the rotation but she always forgets some step and messes it up if the rotations get any complicated. Like, Kitty tried condireaper rotation for hours. She got it pulled off without mistakes 3 times in like 20 full runs (and Kitty didn't even count how many times she straight up killed golem and retried before halfway).And then, Kitty's benchmarked many, many non-meta weapon combos she's never even tried before and tries them a couple times for benchmark. Meanwhile, Kitty has given most of the metabuilds full 8 tries. The difference here? When Kitty tries non-meta builds, she usually forms simple yet rather effective rotation (usually priority-based) 'cause if we can be honest here, less complication usually means lower chance to mess it badly. And also, gives the people (like Kitty) more time to focus on mechanics (unless they've trained it to muscle-memory and know how to continue after possible interrupts, neither of which not-so-competent players do) to avoid them. In other words, we could use some idiot-proof rotations that even lazy pugs could be effective with. Just if you saw how much average pugs get ported at Cairn and VG.

Oh, and Kitty has indeed watched some qT vids, but while they are good for learning how to speedclear, they are plain horrible for trying to learn the mechanics 'cause speedrunners avoid lots of mechanics that usual pug squads need to face. Kitty has seen pugs try to do that many times but failing to distort/bypass the mechanics. And failing even harder if they try to do the normal mechanics 'cause they never bothered to learn them.And since you apparently don't read Kitty's posts, time to say it again: Kitty couldn't care less about clear times as long as she gets the kill. She's not playing this game to see some nice number on timer but for fun, which can be same as playing optimally but also sometimes isn't (Kitty personally finds playing the same build/class for longer than 1 week in a row extremely boring). Also, Kitty's not alone with that attitude. We have tons of casual players who are interested in raiding but find them too stressful and scary 'cause they are taught that you need to learn a complex rotation and play it without mistakes or kick. Play simple, play safe 'cause while killing boss faster does help facing less mechanics, how about squads where people fail to survive through the mechanics while having excessive DPS? Kitty could argue that having a prot/block-bot could be useful in such, even if with a cost of a off-supporter.What Kitty finds quite flawed is how people think "DPS first, survivability then" while squad actually first needs to survive thru stuff to dish out that DPS. Also, it might be good to remind that dead DPS/support=heavy nerf to DPS.

While you guys speak from the POV of competent players who aim to clear raids as efficiently as possible and obviously choose optimal builds for that no matter the difficulty ('cause you are ready to make the effort to minmax it regardless), Kitty speaks from the POV of a casual player who just wants the kills, nevermind the means how the squad gets the kill, while having fun at it. Kitty has taken note of the improvement suggestions and she'll do what she can about it, though she's not sure if she can do much better with metarotations 'cause deeerp.

[LadyKitty.6120]

@Vinceman.4572 said:

@LadyKitty.6120 said:'cause Kitty likes non-meta builds...she leaves this thingie here. One of her perhaps worst ideas in action.

This video is the exact reason why I won't join any non-meta and unexperienced T4 fractal group as long as I'm healthy and why I'm about to kick people immediately on/after the first boss with terribad dps.

1. 20 Minutes for
   one single
   fractal.
2. 20 Minutes for Nightmare
   without challenge mode
   (even with CM the usual group is faster!)
3. Uncountable downstates during the run in a non-cm fractal that is one of the easiest
4. Poor dps numbers
5. Players running around like chicken to spread social awkwardness debuff leading into damaging own teammates
6. Bearbow druid?
7. Greatsword camping mesmer!
8. What is this reaper even doing?
9. I could go on like this...

By the way, that was still a relatively fast run compared to many pug runs Kitty's been in. Many squads wipe at least once at Ensolyss \o/ ('cause though half of T4-pug squads are quite decent, the other half...not so much). And...Kitty's seen tons of people who dish out decent damage. And die at 50% on Siax, leading to failure 'cause lack of CC.

And here Kitty wanted to test how fully-ranged power mesmer would do 'cause such could be useful for greens at VG. While burst is horrible, Kitty does like how stable DPS it does at such ease. And note: the only support Kitty had was spotter 'cause that druid... anyway, Kitty does dare claim that this GS-build ish good enough for the easier raid bosses, like VG, Cairn, Sam and maybe updrafts-Gors. And it would be quite decent for Deimos.

E: Actually, now Kitty kinda wants to see how 7 power mesmers like that, 2 condimesmers and tank/heal firebrand would do at VG.