another fail event requirement

New backpiece requires an event to fail. I thought Anet had already learned to NOT include these sorts of poor designs in their game already.

The collection for the Tyrian whatever-Medal wants you to retake the temples in Orr, which requires them to be contested which only happens if the defense events fail. Defense events are usually much easier than the assualt and can be done by 2-3 ppl in most cases. Jup, adding those was a bad idea and ANet should have known because this structure is an issue since release of core, but here we are again, hoping ppl don't defend the temples.

Yep .. incoming toxic trashchat.. cheers ANET

New Backpiece? is it shiny or only a banner?

I too am curious as to whether I want to invest the time to get this now or later.

You don't need to fail temple events. You just kill the priest during defend or capture.The only exception is Balthazar temple. You need to actually capture it. But the problem with this temple is never that it's defended, since it's quite never is defended. The problem you will run into is not failing the escort on less organized maps.

The vine wall regrow is rather annoying though. Because the awakened have a hard time taking down a wall section within the time limit at all. If a few of the packs are killed the event will succeed and no follow-up to regrow the section will pop. Yes, it's doable. Yes, I feel bad playing against a core game mechanic and having to ask other players to let the event fail so a collection can be done.

Just change the collection to "either defend or take", "defend or regrow".

What makes it worse is that you need the same event one time to be successful and another time to fail for the collection. So one half of the players wants it to fail and the other half wants it to succeed. This is even more kitten than just the requirement of an event to fail.

Defending the temples is the same as retaking it. Has been for a long time.

@Haishao.6851 said:You don't need to fail temple events. You just kill the priest during defend or capture.The only exception is Balthazar temple. You need to actually capture it. But the problem with this temple is never that it's defended, since it's quite never is defended. The problem you will run into is not failing the escort on less organized maps.

Not talking about temples. It's the Vine wall regrowth event which requires failure of the Defend the Vine Wall event.

@lokh.2695 said:The collection for the Tyrian whatever-Medal wants you to retake the temples in Orr, which requires them to be contested which only happens if the defense events fail. Defense events are usually much easier than the assualt and can be done by 2-3 ppl in most cases. Jup, adding those was a bad idea and ANet should have known because this structure is an issue since release of core, but here we are again, hoping ppl don't defend the temples.

Oh god ... this again? Wait till you run into a broken Melandru temple pre-event. That just gets stuck forever until you find a new instance.

@Lahmia.2193 said:

@Haishao.6851 said:You don't need to fail temple events. You just kill the priest during defend or capture.The only exception is Balthazar temple. You need to actually capture it. But the problem with this temple is never that it's defended, since it's quite never is defended. The problem you will run into is not failing the escort on less organized maps.

Yeah, sorry. The second comment talked about Orr temples so I thought that's what it was about since yours didn't mention any event in particular.In about a week when most people will have gone back to their usual activity, the event will fail more often.

Are you sure that the item doesn't drop during defense?

There are two objects needed for the collection that you get via the thorn wall events. One is the "Defender's Mark", the other one the "Naturalist’s Crest". From how I understand it there are two events involved and both are defend events.The first is when the Awakened attack the thorn wall. When they do not manage to break through the wall before the timer is finished the thorn wall is successfully defended and this grants the "Defender's Mark".When the Awakened break through the wall before the timer is finished then the event is failed, since you were not able to successfully defend the thorn wall against their attack. This will trigger the second event in which the wall shapers regrow the now broken thorn wall, which is called "Defend the thorn wall shapers while they repair the wall". The wall shapers are attacked again by Awakened while they repair the wall. If you succesfully defend them against the attackers and they are successfull in regrowing the wall you get the "Naturalist's crest".This second event, "Defend the thorn wall shapers while they repair the wall", only triggers if the Awakened break through the thorn wall during the first event. At least as far as I understand it.

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:Are you sure that the item doesn't drop during defense?

If you mean the defense of the vine wall, it didn't drop for me the couple of times I participated in it yesterday.

@RoseofGilead.8907 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:Are you sure that the item doesn't drop during defense?

Ah no.The OP didn't specify an event; I had assumed they were referring to the Orrian temple events, since that was mentioned by others above and it was also the bit about which some of my guildies were annoyed (since temple defenses/assaults aren't on a timer, there's often a lot of waiting around without knowing when they'll start).

My mistake; I didn't see the OP's later comment that it was the vine wall event.

so anet, how about u dont make thorn wall events a daily. This makes it even more impossible te get people to fail an event.Plz fix it. (and dont take 6 months to do it)

Just make it so the regrow always spawn after the attack. They simply have to regrow whatever damage was done instead of always from 0%. This makes more sense anyway.

Okay lads and lasses, it has been fixed now. Thank you Anet!