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How do you get black lion key's?

I know you use to be able to farm them by doing the beginning story over and over, but if I'm not mistaken they nerfed it so you could only do it once a week or something like that. Is buying them really the only (efficient) way?

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  • jbrother.1340jbrother.1340 Member ✭✭✭

    @silverfox.1056 said:
    I know you use to be able to farm them by doing the beginning story over and over, but if I'm not mistaken they nerfed it so you could only do it once a week or something like that. Is buying them really the only (efficient) way?

    yes buying them in the only reliable way to get them with any efficiency. I get them now and again on drops but only a few times a year.

    I also never really get anything of value from the chests. I do get things I want though even though they have no value :)

  • crashburntoo.7431crashburntoo.7431 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 5, 2018

    You can get 1/week with a lvl 10 story on a new character... that's the nerf that you're remembering. Keys are available at later story steps if you want to invest the time in a single character to "farm" it out.

    You have an RNG chance of getting them as map rewards or from the BL box that features weekly as part of the login rewards.

    The only "efficient" way of getting them is by purchasing them, which is logically what Anet wants. If we could get 5-10 per week or even per month with little effort, very few people would bother to spend gems (cash) on them. You could dedicate your time and effort to amassing gold to convert to gems to get keys, but that's like working a full time job to fuel casino trips in the evening... if that's your thing.

    Edit: Wiki site for reference - shows all of the acquisition methods (BLCK)... Also, watch for a sale as part of this March sales blitz. I'd be very surprised if it didn't show up.

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  • Echoherb.6528Echoherb.6528 Member ✭✭✭

    There are various sources of getting them, but buying the keys is the only real reliable way of getting them. The rewards you get from the chests are generally not worth buying the keys imo, but hey it's your money!

  • Sombra.3246Sombra.3246 Member ✭✭✭

    I would not recommend buying, but getting them in game is fine.

  • Chief, easiest way for me was just map completion. Not guaranteed but 20% chance of getting em. I got like 4-5 keys per day doing this.

  • Add to boot you can sell gifts of masteries as legendaries for around 500g profit each. World completion will give a quite alot of keys and other mats.

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Map completion has a decent chance of dropping one, good enough to open the occasional chest for fun.

  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2019

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Add to boot you can sell gifts of masteries as legendaries for around 500g profit each. World completion will give a quite alot of keys and other mats.

    How do you mean? Are you talking about making a legendary (for which you need Gift of Exploraton) and then sell the Legendary? That sounds like a lot of work for 500g, assuming that you buy every mat from the TP in the first place. Admitted, I enjoy making Legendaries (on my 5th) but not for selling.
    As to farming keys by rerolling a level 10 char: I am doing that now with my Alt accounts (using the "level up with Cooking for less then 1 gold") method and I am actually kinda enjoying it. However, I am 53 Keys later, and never got a single "uncommon" drop. Let alone a rare or superrare(which I understand). :)

    I am still enjoying it since I do get the occasional nice Dye now and then and off course some utility stuff. Also simply enjoy the mindless footwork as a noob in Queensdale. The wardrobe unlocks (few and far in between) have not much use since these alt accounts do not even have the simplest basic stuff so I get rather mundane stuff usually. :) Also, after a year, I guess I will have enough statuettes to get a Black Lion Claim ticket and maybe a couple of scrap tickets.

    All it did was strengthen my belief to never ever buy Keys for gems (dollars) in the store. 53 keys is over 4200 Gems which is equivalent to 50 euros... this must be the worst return for any microtransaction in any game(ok, hyperbole). I guess you have more use out of it if you use those keys on a single Main account, but still. To be sure, not strapped for money, else I would not have so many Alt accounts (that already paid themselves back in Dailies gold). I just think the rng on Keys is really, really bad. I use the gold from the Alt-dailies for making Legendaries. I want all of them! (Exept the newer ones without the collection part, those are boring).

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tyncale.1629 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Add to boot you can sell gifts of masteries as legendaries for around 500g profit each. World completion will give a quite alot of keys and other mats.

    How do you mean? Are you talking about making a legendary (for which you need Gift of Exploraton) and then sell the Legendary? That sounds like a lot of work for 500g, assuming that you buy every mat from the TP in the first place. Admitted, I enjoy making Legendaries (on my 5th) but not for selling.

    There's 2 ways this can work. The simplest is to make a gen 1 legendary and sell it on the TP, in which case you have to do everything yourself so it is a lot of work, especially because you ideally don't want to buy the materials from the TP, at least not using 'buy now' as you're aiming to keep the cost as low as possible in order to maximise profit.

    The other option is to find someone who wants a legendary and offer to make it for them. They provide all the tradable parts (precursor, materials for Gift of Might and Magic and the legendary specific gift, ectoplasm, potentially materials to make the mystic clovers) and a pre-agreed amount of gold to cover the cost of the account bound parts. That way you only have to provide the Gift of Battle, Gift of Exploration, Bloodstone Shard and 250 Obsidian Shards, plus the minimal time needed to combine it all.

    If you're the type of person who does map completion and WvW anyway that's very little additional effort on your part in return for a large chunk of gold (plus it skips the TP fees you'd pay if you sold it that way), and the other person gets a legendary for less than it would cost on the TP without having to do what they might consider the most time consuming and difficult parts.

    Of course there's a risk for both parties in being scammed. The person making the legendary could take the materials and vanish, or the person buying it could never pay the extra gold, and in either case Anet won't help because you're not supposed to trade outside the TP. So you do need to make sure it's someone you can trust. But it can and does happen.

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  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the explanation, Danikat, makes more sense now. :)

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2019

    You get quite a lot by map completion. Story gives you a few and the rest is RNG with an extremely ridiculous low drop rate. Don't rely on it. Better you either buy it with gems, either by converting it from gold (if you are a poor student) or with cash (the "I work" approach).

  • Pvp reward tracks also give you a bunch.

  • @Tyncale.1629 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Add to boot you can sell gifts of masteries as legendaries for around 500g profit each. World completion will give a quite alot of keys and other mats.

    my belief to never ever buy Keys for gems (dollars) in the store. 53 keys is over 4200 Gems which is equivalent to 50 euros... this must be the worst return for any microtransaction in any game(ok, hyperbole). I guess you have more use out of it if you use those keys on a single Main account, but still. To be sure, not strapped for money, else I would not have so many Alt accounts (that already paid themselves back in Dailies gold). I just think the rng on Keys is really, really bad. I use the gold from the Alt-dailies for making Legendaries. I want all of them! (Exept the newer ones without the collection part, those are boring).

    $50 is about an hour's worth of real-life work for some of us. Far better return on our time (which is more valuable) to purchase than farm in that way.

  • LordOfDarkness.6837LordOfDarkness.6837 Member
    edited July 14, 2019

    @Marthisdil.9654 said:
    $50 is about an hour's worth of real-life work for some of us. Far better return on our time (which is more valuable) to purchase than farm in that way.

    $50/h? I earn $3/h :'(

  • Holgarf.6581Holgarf.6581 Member ✭✭✭

    Or don't buy keys because the drop rates for anything half decent are shockingly bad.

  • Zeefa.3915Zeefa.3915 Member ✭✭✭

    @Marthisdil.9654 said:

    @Tyncale.1629 said:

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Add to boot you can sell gifts of masteries as legendaries for around 500g profit each. World completion will give a quite alot of keys and other mats.

    my belief to never ever buy Keys for gems (dollars) in the store. 53 keys is over 4200 Gems which is equivalent to 50 euros... this must be the worst return for any microtransaction in any game(ok, hyperbole). I guess you have more use out of it if you use those keys on a single Main account, but still. To be sure, not strapped for money, else I would not have so many Alt accounts (that already paid themselves back in Dailies gold). I just think the rng on Keys is really, really bad. I use the gold from the Alt-dailies for making Legendaries. I want all of them! (Exept the newer ones without the collection part, those are boring).

    $50 is about an hour's worth of real-life work for some of us. Far better return on our time (which is more valuable) to purchase than farm in that way.

    Just going to point out 50 euro isn't the same as 50$ (quick search and it is more like 56$) Maybe a small difference, but felt like pointing it out. Either way I certainly don't get that much.

    On topic... I do keyruns of varying lenght almost weekly. I do them because of the tomes and scrolls I have and get, since I have nothing else to do with them. When I have scrolls that give level 30-40 I also get the level 40 story key. When I have level 50-60+ scrolls I also get the level 60 story key. I may consider the LS2 key too when level 70 and 80 scrolls happen, since you can skip all personal story and LS instances between that key and the previous one.
    I will admit it is a lot of work for mostly little outcome, but since I got the time but not the money... eh it works for me. If I had no scroll or tomes there would be no keyruns, not even the level 10 one.
    I do occasional map completion too, but mostly if I got nothing else to do.

  • Nemo.8759Nemo.8759 Member ✭✭

    Just using money buy it ;)

  • :'(
    same....

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  • Solvar.7953Solvar.7953 Member ✭✭✭

    Every time a new chest comes out, I open 5 of them with keys. That way, I'm playing the lottery, but am not to upset that I didn't win big (if I used 50 keys and got nothing of value, I'd be more upset/annoyed).
    Whenever they are on sale, I buy 25 of them - that is enough to last for 5 new chest cycles. I enjoy GW2, so figure I should throw some cash at Anet once in a while. The vast majority of stuff in the cash shop is stuff of zero interest to me (cosmetics), and I've already bought pretty much all the useful convenience upgrades (shared slot, unlimited gathering & salvaging).
    I do get occasional keys from map completion - I slowly work my way through map completion - for whatever the daily vista/gatherer is, I have a character who does not have world completion work on some unexplored area of the map in that area. So over the course of several months, I get another world completion, and an occasional key for each map completion.
    But I'm also like some where I get paid a good salary, so spending 20 minutes farming a key is not worth it to me - I'd rather spend that time doing content I enjoy, and spend a few dollars to buy the keys. But I understand that not everyone is in this situation.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I got a lot when I did map completion, but it's random so I could be very lucky.

  • @silverfox.1056 said:
    I know you use to be able to farm them by doing the beginning story over and over, but if I'm not mistaken they nerfed it so you could only do it once a week or something like that. Is buying them really the only (efficient) way?

    Usually, 10 bucks !

    Or some pvp/wvw tracks.

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  • Bassdeff.1895Bassdeff.1895 Member ✭✭✭

    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

  • Drizzt.1796Drizzt.1796 Member ✭✭
    edited February 10, 2020

    Good idea! I'm working to get Tyrian Exchange Vouchers, (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tyrian_Exchange_Voucher) So that is a really good idea! Thanks!

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  • @Ardid.7203 said:
    I stopped trying to farm them in game when I noticed it was boring to do.
    I realized:
    1- Keys themselves weren't truly valuable, due RNG nature.
    2- Farming them was a repetitive chore, a work I have to do when I should be getting fun.
    3- The time invested "working" to get a key from the game was relevant.
    4- My own pay per hour in my real work allowed me to get the cost of a key in less work-time.

    So now I buy them with cash because I requires less work-time from me and is more fun. I buy them in small batches (5) whenever they add a new patch, to support the game and try my luck. It has worked quite well so far.

    If I couldn't buy them with cash I wouldn't get them at all. They don't deserve such involvement.

    So many times this! I saw it in many games where you can get something from store or farm yourself in game. And people spending many hours just to get "free" item from the store worth 3-5 bucks. Dude, even on minimal wage job you will get 5-10 bucks in one hour. Ok, in some games like WoW making billions of gold is fun on itself, I get it, but doing boring farm for 8 hours to get 5 bucks worth item? Could you please respect your own time and do something fun with it?

    (and I'm sorry for necro)

  • @Bassdeff.1895 said:
    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

    Why though? Game has no subscription, and it's really good game, why not drop like $5 bucks to support A.net?

  • Bassdeff.1895Bassdeff.1895 Member ✭✭✭

    @toyz.2450 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:
    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

    Why though? Game has no subscription, and it's really good game, why not drop like $5 bucks to support A.net?

    I hate RNG in general and will not pay for RNG items. I will support them by buying accounts upgrades, skins, and things like permanent harvesting tools, NOT stupid loot boxes with crappy drop rates.

  • @Bassdeff.1895 said:

    @toyz.2450 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:
    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

    Why though? Game has no subscription, and it's really good game, why not drop like $5 bucks to support A.net?

    I hate RNG in general and will not pay for RNG items. I will support them by buying accounts upgrades, skins, and things like permanent harvesting tools, NOT stupid loot boxes with crappy drop rates.

    TBH i dont know why the owner didn't drop this thread ; its been 2 years!

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  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drizzt.1796 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:

    @toyz.2450 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:
    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

    Why though? Game has no subscription, and it's really good game, why not drop like $5 bucks to support A.net?

    I hate RNG in general and will not pay for RNG items. I will support them by buying accounts upgrades, skins, and things like permanent harvesting tools, NOT stupid loot boxes with crappy drop rates.

    TBH i dont know why the owner didn't drop this thread ; its been 2 years!

    The person who started the topic hasn't replied since the first post, so it looks like they have dropped it. And even if they wanted to most users can't lock topics, only moderators can do that.

    Instead the way it usually works is that once a topic is old and irrelevant, or has been answered to the point where there's nothing else to say, everyone will stop replying to it without it having to be closed.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drizzt.1796 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:

    @toyz.2450 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:
    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

    Why though? Game has no subscription, and it's really good game, why not drop like $5 bucks to support A.net?

    I hate RNG in general and will not pay for RNG items. I will support them by buying accounts upgrades, skins, and things like permanent harvesting tools, NOT stupid loot boxes with crappy drop rates.

    TBH i dont know why the owner didn't drop this thread ; its been 2 years!

    To be fair you were the one who necroed this thread last, after it had been forgotten for 8 months. ( some other did nice necros aswell to be fair)
    Should you really complain about the OP mate?

  • Kurrilino.2706Kurrilino.2706 Member ✭✭✭

    @toyz.2450 said:

    @Bassdeff.1895 said:
    I refuse to pay RL money for keys. I will not encourage this practice, but i will do the weekly key run or if I have gold burning a hole in my wallet I will exchange it for gems when the keys are on sale.

    Why though? Game has no subscription, and it's really good game, why not drop like $5 bucks to support A.net?

    Because it's gambling and the game sucks.
    People stop paying cash for a good reason. A-Net should put all effort into the playable part of the game, not into "how to get money without putting effort into the game"
    People are on rage fort a long time but were silenced by new players coming in, making up for that rage. But now when those guys are grown up
    and no new people are coming A-Net faces double the rage.

    I see it that way: If i play real money for a game i want all armour or weapons or whatever available and just focus on playing. And the huge majority in this game sees it the same way. If A-net wants my money, give me more playing or get lost. GW1 had it perfectly figured out.

    But i don't handle only A-Net like that. I stay away from any game with that behaviour, i was just tricked by A-Net as a GW1 player with thousands of broken promises.