AikijinX.6258 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) My Favorites, Let me know yours! Oh and these are only a fraction of old traits we had. Back in 2012 and Beta was even crazier. - Assassin's Equilibrium: I've got 0 clue why this was reworked. I loved this unique trait, but they gutted Acro - Critical Haste: I LOVED THIS although 30sec ICD. It was just another good opportunity for quickness. (I love quickness and I love Critical hits) - Descent of Shadows: This was a great troll skill, it was good while it lasted back in the day, was super useful when you wanted to use environment to your advantage in your style of play - Hastened Replenishment: More ability to generate initiative although back in the day, Shadow arts was a lot stronger, so didn't necessarily need the trait, but it was still a great utility trait, could've argued for it to be baseline just how we are still arguing for Preparedness baseline. - Hidden Assassin: Why did we get rid of this again? I'm confused. Instead we get poison when entering stealth. I loved this trait. Super utility for a minor. - Initial Strike: Stupid trait that should've been baseline.. I'm starting to see a trend lol. But to be honest back then, initiative generation or gain wasn't too much of a problem lol. But now it's abysmal - Instinctual Response- Dope clutch skill I used to use, it was clutch, nothing more nothing less. - Last Refuge: Everyone hated this skill LOL. Because to their point, you had no control over it. But it was still a super clutch skill. People just cried about self revealing because they continued to attack when they reached that Last refuge threshold. I always stowed my weapon. - LONG REACH: BOY oh boy.. I miss this. Super clutch. I used to catch people off guard that never ran this trait. I ran this trait on all my OG S/D Thief builds. - Power of Inertia: Great acro trait, when paired with might on dodge food and strength runes, was super dope. OG Lyssa runes too. - Richochet: Bruh Y Anet - Sundering Strikes: Bruh. Give me my trait back. Vulnerability is nice. Especially on crit, no CD. My Thief build has 100% crit.. Well 80% (+20% fury) - Unforgiving: I will never forgive you Anet for removing this trait. I loved it. -Venomous Aura and Venomous Strength: Both 2 dope venom skills that actually made our venom skills matter, especially in group play. EDIT: Historical Traits (all classes)- https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_historical_traits#Thief_traits_7 Thief traits Trait Line Name https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f4/Tango-recharge-darker.png Description Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/9f/Ankle_Shots.png/25px-Ankle_Shots.png Ankle Shots 8 Critical hits with pistols and harpoon guns cripple foes. Deal bonus damage to crippled foes; damage is increased when wielding a pistol or harpoon gun. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/4/40/Trait_XIII.png/22px-Trait_XIII.png Assassin's Equilibrium Gain stability when striking an enemy from stealth. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/a/a8/Trait_IV.png/22px-Trait_IV.png Assassin's Retreat 5 Gain swiftness when you kill a foe. Major Deadly Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/3/37/Trait_I.png/22px-Trait_I.png Back Fighting You deal bonus damage while downed. Major Deadly Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/e/e7/Trait_X.png/22px-Trait_X.png Combined Training Dual skills deal more damage. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/c/cc/Trait_IX.png/22px-Trait_IX.png Combo Critical Chance Dual skills have increased critical-hit chance. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/2/2b/Concealed_Defeat.png/25px-Concealed_Defeat.png Concealed Defeat Cast Lesser Smoke Screen when downed. Deception skills gain reduced recharge. Major Deadly Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Trait_II.png/22px-Trait_II.png Corrosive Traps Traps apply vulnerability when triggered. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/e/e7/Trait_X.png/22px-Trait_X.png Critical Haste 30 You have a chance to gain quickness on a critical hit. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/3/37/Trait_I.png/22px-Trait_I.png Descent of Shadows Release a blinding powder when you take falling damage. You take less damage from falling. Major Daredevil https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/2/2d/Escapist%27s_Absolution.png/25px-Escapist%27s_Absolution.png Escapist's Absolution 1 Remove a condition whenever you evade an attack. Minor Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/9e/Trait_thief.png/22px-Trait_thief.png First Strikes Damage is increased while your current initiative is over the threshold. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Instant_Reflexes.png/25px-Instant_Reflexes.png Fleet Shadow Move faster while in stealth. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/c/cd/Trait_VII.png/22px-Trait_VII.png Fleet of Foot 10 Dodging removes conditions from you. Minor Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/9e/Trait_thief.png/22px-Trait_thief.png Fluid Strikes Damage is increased when endurance is not full. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/3/37/Trait_I.png/22px-Trait_I.png Furious Retaliation 30 Gain fury when your target falls below the health threshold. Major Trickery https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0c/Trait_XI.png/22px-Trait_XI.png Hastened Replenishment You receive initiative when using a heal skill. Minor Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/9e/Trait_thief.png/22px-Trait_thief.png Hidden Assassin Gain might when you gain stealth. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/2/27/Trait_V.png/22px-Trait_V.png Infusion of Shadow Gain initiative when you enter stealth. Major Trickery https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/c/cc/Trait_IX.png/22px-Trait_IX.png Initial Strike Attacks with the first weapon-skill slot have a chance to regain initiative. Major Trickery https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Trait_II.png/22px-Trait_II.png Instinctual Response If you take damage greater than the health threshold in a single strike, you release feathers to blind nearby enemies and gain stealth. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/9a/Last_Refuge.png/25px-Last_Refuge.png Last Refuge Use Lesser Blinding Powder when your health reaches a certain threshold or when you take falling damage. You take less falling damage. Major Trickery https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/5/53/Trait_VI.png/22px-Trait_VI.png Long Reach Increases the range on stealing. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/2/27/Trait_V.png/22px-Trait_V.png Master Trapper Reduces recharge on traps. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/3/37/Trait_I.png/22px-Trait_I.png Master of Deception Reduces recharge on deception skills. Minor Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/9e/Trait_thief.png/22px-Trait_thief.png Opportunist 5 Critical hits have a bonus chance to restore initiative. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/e/e7/Trait_X.png/22px-Trait_X.png Patience Regain initiative faster while in stealth. Minor Deadeye https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/8/88/Perfectionist.png/25px-Perfectionist.png Perfectionist Gain boons upon reaching maximum malice stacks. Major Deadeye https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/d4/Peripheral_Vision.png/25px-Peripheral_Vision.png Peripheral Vision Stolen skills apply their boons to allies near you and apply their conditions to foes around your marked target. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/2/27/Trait_V.png/22px-Trait_V.png Pistol Mastery Deal additional damage with pistols. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/c/cd/Trait_VII.png/22px-Trait_VII.png Power Shots Short bow and harpoon gun damage is increased. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Trait_II.png/22px-Trait_II.png Power of Inertia Gain might whenever you dodge. Major Acrobatics https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/c/cc/Trait_IX.png/22px-Trait_IX.png Quick Recovery Gain bonus initiative over time. Major Deadly Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/91/Trait_VIII.png/22px-Trait_VIII.png Quick Venoms Reduces recharge on venom skills. Major Deadly Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/b/b9/Trait_XII.png/22px-Trait_XII.png Residual Venom Applied venoms last an additional strike. Minor Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/5/5a/Resilience_of_Shadows.png/25px-Resilience_of_Shadows.png Resilience of Shadows Stealth effects that you apply reduce incoming attack damage. Major Trickery https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/e/e7/Trait_X.png/22px-Trait_X.png Ricochet Pistol shots have a chance to bounce to an additional target. Pistol range is increased. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/07/Flickering_Shadows.png/25px-Flickering_Shadows.png Shadow Protector When you grant stealth to an ally, they gain regeneration. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/de/Assassin%27s_Fury.png/25px-Assassin%27s_Fury.png Side Strike Gain bonus critical-hit chance when hitting a foe from behind or the side. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/9/91/Trait_VIII.png/22px-Trait_VIII.png Signet Use Gain initiative when activating a signet. Reduces recharge on signets. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Trait_II.png/22px-Trait_II.png Slowed Pulse 20 Grant regeneration if you have two or more stacks of bleeding. Major Critical Strikes https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/b/bb/Sundering_Strikes.png/25px-Sundering_Strikes.png Sundering Strikes Critical hits have a chance to cause vulnerability. Major Deadeye https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/a/a0/Payback.png/25px-Payback.png Unforgiving Your first attack stuns if it hits a newly marked target. Major Shadow Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/6/68/Venomous_Aura.png/25px-Venomous_Aura.png Venomous Aura When you use a venom skill, you apply the effects to all nearby allies as well. Venom recharges are reduced. Major Deadly Arts https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/a/a8/Trait_IV.png/22px-Trait_IV.png Venomous Strength Venoms grant might when activated. Edited November 13, 2021 by AikijinX.6258 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Favorite was Initial Strike. However, best original skill thief ever had was Malicious Restoration. Cantrip. Heal yourself. Heal more and lose a condition for each stack of malice you have. Healing: 4,560 (0.7)? Healing per Malice: 808 (0.12)? Conditions removed per malice: 1 Edited November 13, 2021 by Zacchary.6183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zacchary.6183 said: Favorite was Initial Strike. However, best original skill thief ever had was Malicious Restoration. Cantrip. Heal yourself. Heal more and lose a condition for each stack of malice you have. Healing: 4,560 (0.7)? Healing per Malice: 808 (0.12)? Conditions removed per malice: 1 Yeah bro! that was an amazing heal!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, AikijinX.6258 said: Yeah bro! that was an amazing heal!... It's fine now. Absolute worst trait in the game was the original Hard to Catch. You remember that demonic trait? Shadowstep away and give swiftness (12s) when you are disabled (stun, daze, float, knock down, launch, knock back, sink, or fear). This effect cannot occur more than once every 60 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zacchary.6183 said: It's fine now. Absolute worst trait in the game was the original Hard to Catch. You remember that demonic trait? Shadowstep away and give swiftness (12s) when you are disabled (stun, daze, float, knock down, launch, knock back, sink, or fear). This effect cannot occur more than once every 60 seconds. BRUHHHHH I LOVED OG H2C. Honestly. It was so fun, and sometimes it even ported me above the person or a shadowstepable area. LOL. I loved the Russian roulette of the skill xD (Thats just me) Edited November 13, 2021 by AikijinX.6258 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacchary.6183 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, AikijinX.6258 said: BRUHHHHH I LOVED OG H2C. Honestly. It was so fun, and sometimes it even ported me above the person to or shadowstepable area. LOL. I loved the Russian roulette of the skill xD (Thats just me) There's always that one person I suppose, lol. That trait was god awful imho. Especially when it ported me INTO the kitten group that was chasing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggie.3184 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Gimme back Ricochet. I played with my P/P so much with that trait, it was so much fun. Edited November 13, 2021 by Doggie.3184 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyT.7192 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Alot of good initiative management traits that that could come back today and I would be happy. Also anyone else miss Peripheral Vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 12 hours ago, AikijinX.6258 said: - Sundering Strikes: Bruh. Give me my trait back. Vulnerability is nice. Especially on crit, no CD. My Thief build has 100% crit.. Well 80% (+20% fury) Yes, this one was really good for solo situations or when no one else was applying vulnerability. They should just give us this one (and Ricochet ofc.) back with a 100% proc chance on crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Tails.9372 said: Yes, this one was really good for solo situations or when no one else was applying vulnerability. They should just give us this one (and Ricochet ofc.) back with a 100% proc chance on crit. Yeah Vulnerability is one of the best soft condi’s in this game. And the fact that we could chain it back then was insane. Now we have this dumb 5 vuln for 5second trash. ATLEAST give me 10seconds. More reward for landing my stealth attack. But honestly, just give me my darn trait back. 2 hours ago, BobbyT.7192 said: Alot of good initiative management traits that that could come back today and I would be happy. Also anyone else miss Peripheral Vision? Man initiative management was super solid back then. Wasn’t much of a problem. Then again. Weapon costs weren’t so ludicrous either. It was really the Golden Ages back then. And yeah Peripheral Vision was super dope and loved the team play value. 5 hours ago, Doggie.3184 said: Gimme back Ricochet. I played with my P/P so much with that trait, it was so much fun. Exactly! That’s why I was just like “Bruh Y anet” it’s absolutely the single most bizarre and confusing take away from Thief yet. 14 hours ago, Zacchary.6183 said: There's always that one person I suppose, lol. That trait was god awful imho. Especially when it ported me INTO the kitten group that was chasing me. Yeah haha. I suppose. But there were also those times where it didn’t xD and it was exciting to find out where you’d end up next. Sometimes you’d even glitch into the map or once I glitched through an enemy tower 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Half the traits are SA. Wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, DeceiverX.8361 said: Half the traits are SA. Wonder why... 11 are Shadow Arts 10 are Critical Strikes 5 are Deadly Arts 7 are Acrobatics And then the rest blah blah. 😛 They gutted my boy Critical Strikes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpel.3972 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 19 hours ago, BobbyT.7192 said: Alot of good initiative management traits that that could come back today and I would be happy. Back the base int regen was slower. They remove those trait + speed up the base regen int to avoid mandatory trait/traitline On 11/13/2021 at 3:24 AM, AikijinX.6258 said: - LONG REACH: BOY oh boy.. I miss this. Super clutch. I used to catch people off guard that never ran this trait. I ran this trait on all my OG S/D Thief builds. Well it's baseline now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jumpel.3972 said: Back the base int regen was slower. They remove those trait + speed up the base regen int to avoid mandatory trait/traitline Well it's baseline now ! Baseline just for Deadeye 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpel.3972 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, AikijinX.6258 said: Baseline just for Deadeye 😕 For core Thief, back then Steal was 900 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jumpel.3972 said: For core Thief, back then Steal was 900 range Oh yes yes! 1200 range is base. But I used to take the Long Reach trait for the extra 300 range. It was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyT.7192 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/14/2021 at 6:30 AM, Jumpel.3972 said: Back the base int regen was slower. They remove those trait + speed up the base regen int to avoid mandatory trait/traitline Yeah, well initiative skills were alot cheaper then too those trait could probably help out quite bit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikijinX.6258 Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 But also if you really look at it. Guardian was busted back then too. And Warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberzombie.7348 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Assassin's Equilibrium for sure needs to make a comeback, especially with all the cc skills used in PvP & WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallist.5917 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Really wish we could get Peripheral Vision back. Made the Condi Deadeye very viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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