Virtuoso has insane auto attack dps

[MrAmputatoes.6031]

I'm not trying to be an advocate for Virtuoso, but Tipcat's kind of proving the strength of Condi Virtuoso...

 

If anything though, this further highlights how this spec is just designed to be a DPS golem spec. It runs full signets which is hilarious as none of the Virtuoso utilities are worth taking in any game mode. 

[Tseison.4659]

2 hours ago, MrAmputatoes.6031 said:

I'm not trying to be an advocate for Virtuoso, but Tipcat's kind of proving the strength of Condi Virtuoso...

 

If anything though, this further highlights how this spec is just designed to be a DPS golem spec. It runs full signets which is hilarious as none of the Virtuoso utilities are worth taking in any game mode. 

Thank you for sharing! 👍

[Obtena.7952]

2 hours ago, MrAmputatoes.6031 said:

I'm not trying to be an advocate for Virtuoso, but Tipcat's kind of proving the strength of Condi Virtuoso...

 

If anything though, this further highlights how this spec is just designed to be a DPS golem spec. It runs full signets which is hilarious as none of the Virtuoso utilities are worth taking in any game mode. 

This is just more evidence that Anet will make something work if they want it to. It's a good message for all those "Anet can't do this" people to digest. I'm not sure it's sustain variants are better than other Virt builds, but that's what intends. 

[Levetty.1279]

17 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

This is just more evidence that Anet will make something work if they want it to.

How? It could golem benchmark in beta, it can golem benchmark now. It fixed none of the problems of the spec, hell the buff didn't even do what they claimed the buff was for.

[Obtena.7952]

4 minutes ago, Levetty.1279 said:

How? It could golem benchmark in beta, it can golem benchmark now. It fixed none of the problems of the spec, hell the buff didn't even do what they claimed the buff was for.

I don't get this question ... how what? If Anet wants cVirt to be a thing, they will do that. If this change didn't do what they want, they will make another. 

Listen, I get people hate Virt ... but that's not going to stop Anet from making it relevant for whatever they want it to be relevant for. Anet stated they intend for cVirt to be a high sustain build ... I have no doubt that's what they are going to make it do if that's what they want. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Obtena.7952

[Telgum.6071]

Bad post buddy. Profession subforums are filled with die hard mains that are always unhappy with their respective classes, just take a peak on the Warrior or Elementalist subforum (somewhat Eles have a point with the last nerf, but it was already like that before the nerf).

If you don't say "Mesmer bad" you'll get downvoted/confused faces to hell.

[Obtena.7952]

10 minutes ago, Telgum.6071 said:

Bad post buddy. Profession subforums are filled with die hard mains that are always unhappy with their respective classes, just take a peak on the Warrior or Elementalist subforum (somewhat Eles have a point with the last nerf, but it was already like that before the nerf).

If you don't say "Mesmer bad" you'll get downvoted/confused faces to hell.

Hah, I'm more than aware of the downvotes. I would love to know my statistics on that. I'm not too concerned ... the downvotes are likely just people that have no-value commentary to begin with. 

People just super angry that Virt isn't going to be the failure they want it to be so they could rub Anet's nose in it. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Obtena.7952

[Levetty.1279]

20 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

I don't get this question ... how what?

How does this prove Anet will make something work if they want it to?

 

[Obtena.7952]

Just now, Levetty.1279 said:

How does this prove Anet will make something work if they want it to?

 

Because lots of people were saying Virt was just trash. 

[Levetty.1279]

12 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Hah, I'm more than aware of the downvotes. I would love to know my statistics on that. I'm not too concerned ... the downvotes are likely just people that have no-value commentary to begin with. 

People just super angry that Virt isn't going to be the failure they want it to be so they could rub Anet's nose in it. 

You get down voted because you make stupid posts like the time you spent an entire day arguing that Untamed will fix Ranger pets on EoD launch only to start claiming you never said that the next day when it launched.

[Levetty.1279]

Just now, Obtena.7952 said:

Because lots of people were saying Virt was just trash. 

Still is so how does this prove Anet will make something work if they want it to?

[Obtena.7952]

1 minute ago, Levetty.1279 said:

Still is so how does this prove Anet will make something work if they want it to?

because Anet will make it something people will play. I don't get the barrier you have here. Do you have a point to the question or just want to play academic scholar here?

I mean, if you think I'm wrong, just say it and the reason. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Obtena.7952

[Levetty.1279]

Just now, Obtena.7952 said:

because Anet will make it something people will play. 

When?

[Obtena.7952]

1 minute ago, Levetty.1279 said:

When?

I guess that depends on players. Anet measures that. 

[Levetty.1279]

Just now, Obtena.7952 said:

I guess that depends on players. Anet measures that. 

So how does it prove that?

[Obtena.7952]

Well, I guess you won't know if you aren't already satisfied with the answer I gave you. 

In the meantime, pretty happy with the change here, though I'm still wondering how the high-sustain part fits in. I think it's pretty interesting they have created a good condi spec without having all condi application from the weapon itself. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Obtena.7952

[Salt Mode.3780]

People really need to learn to read posts fully before making dumb comments. From the video its great that Virtuoso is good somewhere because it honestly is struggling in competitive play. I have still yet to see a functional Virtuoso fight me, whether it is me on Core, Chrono, and Mirage.

In WvW they seem to be running with a zerg but at the same time not really do much....I tried using Virtuoso vs Zergs but I end up going on my staff Ele. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Salt Mode.3780

[Levetty.1279]

1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Well, I guess you won't know if you aren't already satisfied with the answer I gave you. 

In the meantime, pretty happy with the change here, though I'm still wondering how the high-sustain part fits in.

I accept your concession.

[Mell.4873]

7 hours ago, Tseison.4659 said:

Heya Mell; so I have a serious question I was wondering if you can answer for not only myself but for others in the Mesmer Community. I also have to keep reminding myself that you’re mostly posting in regards to Virtuoso in PvE which of course, almost any build/variation will work in and players can play how they want in that mode. Well, unless it’s Raids/Fractals/Strikes where certain builds are far superior than others, but I guess one can by pass those rules if grouping with guildies/friends. 

So, getting into my question. After 5 consecutive threads regarding the Virtuoso and trying to push condition Virtuoso (PvE) onto others, only a very small ratio of players will actually pick it up, most likely temporarily to test out in PvE situations because why not, some by now have legendary gear so they can easily switch it out. While the rest of the player base is either playing: (Pwr) Virtuoso, Chrono, Mirage or even Core.

If no one aside from you and a few others don’t want to play condition Virtuoso or Virtuoso in general as it does need to be looked over again and there’s still traits that are not working with it, what happens now? Where do these conversations end up going? Because after the 5 threads you’ve posted regarding praising the Virtuoso and condition Virtuoso, no one’s listening, I don’t blame them and neither am I because we’re the ones who have put in the hours into Mesmer as a whole AND during the Beta testing for Virtuoso, whilst providing pages of feedback, videos, pictures for evidence and the list goes. But where exactly does all this constant bickering on both sides go other than no where? “Virtuosos auto is great! This Virtuoso build is amazing for me! This Virtuoso build makes it far better than Mirage! Virtuoso has insane auto dps!” Yeah that’s nice, not seeing it. We’re still not gonna play it. Now what? 

As what was mentioned in to you in one of your previous threads from another player, we get it and we understand that the Virtuoso is working FOR YOU, and YOU are enjoying it. Find peace in THAT because trying to force others to side with you after 5 threads on the Virtuoso is a dead end and doesn’t look good for ones forum reputation. No, I’m not saying that in terms of you having to agree with all of us when we say the Virtuoso is lacking in some areas and when we prove you wrong in certain data analysis that aren’t matching up. I’m just saying, you can say what you have to say/promote in one thread and if no one agrees, well then oh well, you tried, we move on and continue to enjoy the game how WE want. ✌️

What a weird post.... 

You know what I do all this to be contrary to popular opinion, that's the simple answer. 

If everyone loved Virtuoso I would probably try and point out it's flaw (which happened a little bit in beta 2)

This might sounds silly for me to be constantly pitting myself against everyone on the forum but I like it. I mean don't take anything I say on this forum that seriously, I don't hold my beliefs that strongly. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Mell.4873

[Mell.4873]

2 hours ago, Telgum.6071 said:

Bad post buddy. Profession subforums are filled with die hard mains that are always unhappy with their respective classes, just take a peak on the Warrior or Elementalist subforum (somewhat Eles have a point with the last nerf, but it was already like that before the nerf).

If you don't say "Mesmer bad" you'll get downvoted/confused faces to hell.

Meh there is no karma here like on reddit so nothing will happen to me if I have an unpopular opinion. 

(negative karma on reddit restricts your posts) 

[Mell.4873]

2 hours ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Hah, I'm more than aware of the downvotes. I would love to know my statistics on that. I'm not too concerned ... the downvotes are likely just people that have no-value commentary to begin with. 

People just super angry that Virt isn't going to be the failure they want it to be so they could rub Anet's nose in it. 

Ahahaha you know before finding and posting this thread I kind of agreed with alot of the negative Virtuoso threads. But when I switching of all my marauders gear to mostly sinister gear and seeing the damage numbers I was blown away. 

I still mostly use support Chrono and Mirage for group content but for lazy pve tagging Virtuoso is amazing. 

[Mell.4873]

1 hour ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

People really need to learn to read posts fully before making dumb comments. From the video its great that Virtuoso is good somewhere because it honestly is struggling in competitive play. I have still yet to see a functional Virtuoso fight me, whether it is me on Core, Chrono, and Mirage.

In WvW they seem to be running with a zerg but at the same time not really do much....I tried using Virtuoso vs Zergs but I end up going on my staff Ele. 

I want to make a post about this, I think the main issue I'm having is trying to attack up or off a walls. I normally use ranger and barrage is amazing for shutting down zergs but I have trouble even hitting anyone with Virtuoso, maybe I just need to practice more. 

Maybe one of the shatter can be ground targeted or something. 

 

In terms of sPvP they are doing amazing right now since they are ranged and any ranged specialisation can let you snowball. Virtuoso much like deadeye can 100% do that for you. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Mell.4873

[Puck.3697]

As far as I understand 

Virtuoso is a decent DPS role in PvE. But people are unhappy with uncreative it is. 

And absolute trash in PvP and WvWvW and are gonna get annoyed at you trying to say the speccs fine while clearly underperforming in several other parts of the game. 

We get it. Its a decent DPS option in group and Raid PvE content, what about the 3/4s of other content. open world, wvwvw and spvp content? 

I did see a virtuoso do rly well with a side node Condi build, however that could just be because I'm a gold 3 player and skill disparity exists. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Daddy.8125

[Obtena.7952]

If it's not good in OW PVE ... I didn't get the memo. Should I just start letting things kill me or can I continue with the good performance I got?

[Puck.3697]

On 3/18/2022 at 8:29 PM, Mell.4873 said:

I want to make a post about this, I think the main issue I'm having is trying to attack up or off a walls. I normally use ranger and barrage is amazing for shutting down zergs but I have trouble even hitting anyone with Virtuoso, maybe I just need to practice more. 

Maybe one of the shatter can be ground targeted or something. 

 

In terms of sPvP they are doing amazing right now since they are ranged and any ranged specialisation can let you snowball. Virtuoso much like deadeye can 100% do that for you. 

They are defintly not doing amazing right now lol not atleast against meta choices. 

i think we need to cut to the point here realistically.

Heres the Source of Anger:

Mesmers have been continously left Underperforming in PvP and WvWvW roles, as of current the Mesmer as No builds which exist at high level SPVP or WvWvW Gameplay. what its got is a Few Janky mediocre builds which have managed Some level of Performance that the dedicated Mesmers use to be atleast somewhat useful in the game modes.

Once Again Virtuoso has Offered another PvE Specc with Limited capacity in both PvP and WvWvW which means the core problem of Mesmers being Severely lacking in 3/4s of the game has Remained unanswered, people are angry because Not everyone is accepting "Oh but its good in PvE" as a Acceptable answer to the Anger the Community as Displayed.

If Mesmers already had a Strong contender for SPVP and WvWvW Content the Anger would likely be Lessened but the problem is it has Not nor as Anet displayed any motivation or Reasoning to once again why virtuoso has proven Disfunctional in a SPVP and WvWvW Enviroment once again.

When players Heard a "No clone Specc" it was Agreed that this would be a Perfect time for Mesmers to finally get a Specc which found footing in this Game mode ontop of this Finally have a Specc which is capable in SPVP. without some mechanic which Anet continously nerfs because of QQing over Clones existance and more etc etc.

Ofcourse Anet Oversighted this Grand moment and Once again Delievered a Specc with the same Core problems in functionality in SPVP and WvWvW and made another Raid build which does DPS.

Its a 100% Projectile based Specc, which is a Glass Cannon with a Lack of Active Defenses to cater for that. this wasnt a case of "oh it just got the numbers wrong" or "Oh a few tweaks and the problems would be solved" this Specc was ACTIVELY DESIGNED to be flawed in SPVP and WvWvW Content. by litterally making it one of the most easily Countered Speccs in the game.

either 1) Anet need to comb through this game and Delete a Large portion of Porjectile hate to make Projectiles Harder to counter to allow such a Playstyle to exist.

or) Anet need to Reduce how much of Mesmers kit is Entirely countered.

Anet have Left this Proffession. Janky at best. Based on Instant casts and Overlapping effects and continously butchered the Rest of it to keep it Tamed in some Janky Messed up build. Heres the fact

Core Mesmer Needs the nerf spree Reversed. Chronomancer needs the rework of a Life time to bring back its Individuality and Soul and Mirage Needs a Proper Rework instead of Some half assed Nerf Spree Because it turns out allowing a Proffession to Dodge While stunned would cause a Outcry.

P.S before some "proclaimed mesmer main" Decides to tell me this is a overexaggerated post "looking to make Mesmers Overpowered" Dont bother. no ones asking to be Overpowered. What we're asking for is Functionality. Mirage builds are Janky at best Abusing overlapping effects to just about make it work in Mediocre PvP Gameplay. Core Mesmer is Just stomping new / Low skilled players who Dont know how to react to burst damage and Virtuoso Is About the Most easily countered Specc to exist.

I aint asking for Mesmers to be Overpowered. Heck i dont even play Mesmer anymore. but anyone who seriously would Prefer a Specc to be Completely Dead in the Waters instead imho is Ridiculous at best.

If Anet think something is bad for the game. heres the correct solution. Rework it.

Anet have butchered Mesmer Elite Speccs beyond coping at this point based on them continously saying "oh this mechanic we made.. ye turns out it wasnt very healthy for the game". instead of Actually Reworking it or Altering it to remove the "unhealthy Problems" from the Kit in a Balanced fashion.

No one is Saying "we want to be able to Dodge through Stuns". or we "We want X broken mechanic to be broken". the problem is Anet Did Not fix the Issue. they just Nerfed it continously til the Entire build was thrown out the game mode to "Solve everyone elses problem".

Edited March 21, 2022 by Daddy.8125