Bast.7253 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Just the final push to get mesmer pvp out of the game? I'm failing to see how this excels at anything besides being a slow cast time (usually los'd by literally anything) shatter with no clones and a channeled distortion that can be interrupted somehow? And why does every holo ability put out somekind of condition or harbinger get 20 torment loaded onto their abilities and virtuoso has to run traits to get any value out of dagger on a condition build? Have you looked at the other weapons in the game? Why did we suddenly look at mesmer dagger and go, NO CONDITIONS. NONE. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) Talk about beating a dead horse. Virtuoso is okay PvP but no where near what high level WvW or sPvP players need. That is essentially Mesmers entire problem it is super niche and probably wont ever not be. Edited April 12, 2022 by Mell.4873 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 18 hours ago, Mell.4873 said: Talk about beating a dead horse. Virtuoso is okay PvP but no where near what high level WvW or sPvP players need. That is essentially Mesmers entire problem it is super niche and probably wont ever not be. Virtuoso is fundamentally unfit for SPvP in it's current state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonoly.4352 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 It's largely redundant in PvP and WvW yes due to a vast array of issues. Quite possibly one of the least threatening things to encounter: I usually kill Virtuosos on my core Mes and Daredevil builds by auto-attacking them whilst standing within their character model - it's a bit ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, mortrialus.3062 said: Virtuoso is fundamentally unfit for SPvP in it's current state. Well then why do so many people play including myself (only WvW). 1 hour ago, Simonoly.4352 said: It's largely redundant in PvP and WvW yes due to a vast array of issues. Quite possibly one of the least threatening things to encounter: I usually kill Virtuosos on my core Mes and Daredevil builds by auto-attacking them whilst standing within their character model - it's a bit ludicrous. I could say the same thing about most WvW encounters, one rapid fire from my Untamed can down people very quickly. For all good dodging does to counter this if you exhaust all there endurance they cant do much. Edited April 13, 2022 by Mell.4873 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: Well then why do so many people play including myself (only WvW). Tell me, have any of those won the MAT on Virtuoso? Hit the semi finals even? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, mortrialus.3062 said: Tell me, have any of those won the MAT on Virtuoso? Hit the semi finals even? Don't bother, just give it a few hours and he will go back to talking about how he only plays Ranger in PvP. He does this every thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, mortrialus.3062 said: Tell me, have any of those won the MAT on Virtuoso? Hit the semi finals even? I already said I don't play it sPvP but Untamed is a different story I'm almost always in 250 top players. I probably should try a tournament at this point. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Simonoly.4352 said: It's largely redundant in PvP and WvW yes due to a vast array of issues. Quite possibly one of the least threatening things to encounter: I usually kill Virtuosos on my core Mes and Daredevil builds by auto-attacking them whilst standing within their character model - it's a bit ludicrous. Virtuoso is literally a worse version of core necro well bomber in WvW. How sad is that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 4/11/2022 at 11:13 PM, Mell.4873 said: Talk about beating a dead horse. Virtuoso is okay PvP but no where near what high level WvW or sPvP players need. That is essentially Mesmers entire problem it is super niche and probably wont ever not be. I think it could work with mobility. Though, the dead horse is beyond beaten now. PvP as whole is pretty bad, on any class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombras.2853 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 3 hours ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: Virtuoso is literally a worse version of core necro well bomber in WvW. How sad is that? Uh, no? They have nothing in common. Virtuoso in WvW has a perfectly reasonable build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, otto.5684 said: I think it could work with mobility. Though, the dead horse is beyond beaten now. PvP as whole is pretty bad, on any class. I do agree pvp in general is in a pretty bad state except for WvW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortrialus.3062 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: I do agree pvp in general is in a pretty bad state except for WvW SPvP hasn't been good since megabalance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Ombras.2853 said: Uh, no? They have nothing in common. Virtuoso in WvW has a perfectly reasonable build. Do you talk about Roaming? Then yes, because I was talking about zerging. I should have made it more clear. In zerging, Virtuoso is a worse Necro in every way. Worse weapons. Worse AoEs. Worse Profession mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombras.2853 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: Do you talk about Roaming? Then yes, because I was talking about zerging. I should have made it more clear. In zerging, Virtuoso is a worse Necro in every way. Worse weapons. Worse AoEs. Worse Profession mechanic. Oh, if you’re talking about Zerg vs Zerg, yes, I agree. But none of the new specs are even remotely useful in a Zerg, WvW wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Ombras.2853 said: Oh, if you’re talking about Zerg vs Zerg, yes, I agree. But none of the new specs are even remotely useful in a Zerg, WvW wise. True and sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mell.4873 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Ombras.2853 said: Oh, if you’re talking about Zerg vs Zerg, yes, I agree. But none of the new specs are even remotely useful in a Zerg, WvW wise. Untamed is okay in pushing or leading I found and mechnaist for the boons but yeah your are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombras.2853 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mell.4873 said: Untamed is okay in pushing or leading I found and mechnaist for the boons but yeah your are right. The problem isn’t that they are horrible at doing their job. The fact is, there are other specs which are much better at accomplishing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 What build is reasonable in roaming? Noody's meme build? Or power Virt? Or condi Virt? Or celestial Virt? Noody's build has the survival of a critter. Power Virt is inferior to core mesmer. Condi Virt is inferior to mirage. Celestial Virt has the damage of a level 1 dolyak. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombras.2853 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Sure. I’ll start answering like this, since reason seems to not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katte nici.9483 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Lincolnbeard.1735 said: What build is reasonable in roaming? Noody's meme build? Or power Virt? Or condi Virt? Or celestial Virt? Noody's build has the survival of a critter. Power Virt is inferior to core mesmer. Condi Virt is inferior to mirage. Celestial Virt has the damage of a level 1 dolyak. All of them have major problems that make them work only moderately well for roaming. You have builds that do high damage but die to everything and can't run away. And you have builds that stay alive well in a duel but can't pressure and get run down by outnumbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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