A REAL legendary armor

[patton the great.7126]

I'll be interested to see if they actually follow through on their promise for better wvw and pvp legendary skins. The PvP ones are pretty nice, but the wvw ones are blah. 

[Sarius.9285]

2 hours ago, Erise.5614 said:

5 chak eggs

first of all, what? That's is extremely unlikely lol, also it takes 5 eggs for piece, not per armor.

 

Also you didn't list nearly all the pve things you need lol, you gotta farm Dragons end a ton, just like Tarir, do some fractals, and do some non meta events 

[Sobx.1758]

32 minutes ago, AgentMoore.9453 said:

'Raids aren't like the PvE most people play, so there should be a PvE legendary set in addition to the raid one.'
'No, raids are easy, just raid.'
'If they're easy, and if you consider PvE easy, then isn't it fine to add a set for PvE?'
'No, raids are hard and take skill.'

Given that I always see these opposing arguments from the same people depending on how the conversation is going, I have to ask - which is it?

Ok, so why won't you just quote these posts comming from the same people?

32 minutes ago, AgentMoore.9453 said:

As long as time, effort, and resources go into the making of a legendary item (whether a weapon, armor, or trinket) I think it's reasonable for many modes to have a path to them.

It is reasonable and many modes (pve, wvw, pvp) already have path to them.

32 minutes ago, AgentMoore.9453 said:

Legendary gear is a participation trophy, and more importantly it's a reward for dedicating playtime to the content you enjoy. Seems like kind of a no-brainer that if OW and general PvE is what the majority of your players is into, you'd add a legendary set to that content.

Your move, ArenaNet.

That's trying to suggest that the move hasn't been already done. But it has, you just dislike it, because you don't wnat to play participate in more of the content the game offers. You pretend you're ok with it being a special participation reward, while you're literally basing your stance on unwillingness to participate in more than what you're already doing anyways.

 

tl;dr: nothing new in comparison to the previous thread about it.

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Ok, so why won't you just quote these posts comming from the same people?

It is reasonable and many modes (pve, wvw, pvp) already have path to them.

That's trying to suggest that the move hasn't been already done. But it has, you just dislike it, because you don't wnat to play participate in more of the content the game offers. You pretend you're ok with it being a special participation reward, while you're literally basing your stance on unwillingness to participate in more than what you're already doing anyways.

 

tl;dr: nothing new in comparison to the previous thread about it.

Special participation reward ?

Who told you that ?

[Sobx.1758]

2 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

Special participation reward ?

Who told you that ?

If you refuse to read the entirity of the post you're ""responding to"" as well as what was quoted in that post, then don't quote me. You did it on this account before, then you did it on another account and now you're doing it again here. Not amused. 🙄

"who told me that"? It's literally in the post I've quoted, directly above what I wrote.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

If you refuse to read the entirity of the post you're ""responding to"" as well as what was quoted in that post, then don't quote me. You did it on this account before, then you did it on another account and now you're doing it again here. Not amused. 🤷‍♂️

For some reason , you always say that Legendary is a special or prestige reward ...

The devs , makes it clear in the stream , that's it's simply long term participation reward .

So if we agree is normal participation reward , then it can be placed in the OW

Edited April 23, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940

[Sobx.1758]

4 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

For some reason , you always say that Legendary is a special or prestige reward ...

The devs , makes it clear in the stream , that's it's simply particiaption reward .

So if we agree is normal particiaption reward , then it can be placed in the OW

Why is it special: because of the required time/effort including more of the game's content than just bare basic ow. It also doesn't provide any power creep, you are perfectly fine playing with ascended gear. Why is it participation reward? You've answered it yourself. Add one to another. I'm just writing everything in short, since it was already written again and again, pretty much to the same people every time. If someone still somehow needs that explained... Not sure there's a point in doing that.

Hey, if it's participation reward, just reward it on the first login, since that's also some participation. Again: want more rewards? Play more of the game's content.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Why is it special: because of the required time/effort including more of the game's content than just bare basic ow. It also doesn't provide any power creep, you are perfectly fine playing with ascended gear. Why is it participation reward? You've answered it yourself. Add one to another. I'm just writing everything in short, since it was already written again and again, pretty much to the same people every time. If someone still somehow needs that explained... Not sure there's a point in doing that.

Hey, if it's participation reward, just reward it on the first login, since that's also some participation. Again: want more rewards? Play more of the game's content.

Lets create the set like the WvW + PvP .

Which has more time and efford (killing actuals players -not scripted)

[Erise.5614]

21 minutes ago, Sarius.9285 said:

first of all, what? That's is extremely unlikely lol, also it takes 5 eggs for piece, not per armor.

 

Also you didn't list nearly all the pve things you need lol, you gotta farm Dragons end a ton, just like Tarir, do some fractals, and do some non meta events 

Yes. I did account for 5 per run in my time calculation. Chak doesn't take an hour. You can get all necessary ones for all armor sets in about 3-3.5 hours. 

I think you mean Dragon's Stand. And no? I don't see a mat that would require it. 

Gift of the pact is 250 per the first three maps. You can buy the thing at the entrance of Dragon's Stand. No need to run it.

Farming pre events and opening all boxes you come across with the map potions you can get 250 in one meta. Or you can wait for festivals to get an exchange voucher to skip farming the currencies entirely. The voucher can be bought for mats you can buy on the TP or, on new years, just luck which you can get without OW content.

You can get both integrated matrices and dark energy without running fractals. 

Doing those things is faster. OW is the intended method. But it's not necessary.

Edit: Unless you are talking Envoy II. 
T1 fractals are fine for those, meaning you can get all of the required ones in half an hour. It requires one AB, being on Dragon Stand on an instance that completed the boss and visiting TD once.
Crystalline Ore can be bought with Guild Commodations. So yes, it does require a different kind of gameplay but even this doesn't require OW gameplay. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Erise.5614

[Sobx.1758]

1 minute ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

Lets create the set like the WvW + PvP .

Or you can just go particiapte in that content and get a reward you want.

You don't need to though, you're free to play with ascended or exotics if you're unwilling to participate in anything more.

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Or you can just go particiapte in that content and get a reward you want.

You don't need to though, you're free to play with ascended or exotics if you're unwilling to participate in anything more.

Or because Legendary gear is not Bound to "special areas" can be place to the OW .

People already play Strikes and there aren't "special loot" to lure them

[Sobx.1758]

3 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

Or because Legendary gear is not Bound to "special areas" can be place to the OW .

People already play Strikes and there aren't "special loot" to lure them

What does it have to do with anything I wrote?

Strikes are in place to ease the way into raids, again, not sure what you're trying to achieve by writing what you wrote above. Please explain indepth.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

What does it have to do with anything I wrote?

Strikes are in place to ease the way into raids, again, not sure what you're trying to achieve by writing what you wrote above. Please explain indepth.

Normal Strikes , don't have Legendary and people do them .

HoT Raid reward with the combat  the moving parts , are not going everywhere .

If people can get the Legendary from OW which will looks like boring  , they  likely also get the HoT one

 

[Trayvon.7362]

This has been a weekly/biweekly thread for the past like 5 years. Either participate in raids, pvp, or wvw, or just give up already. Clearly, Anet does not feel that adding an OW version is necessary. If you guys so desperately want a set of legendary armor, then you would have put up the initiative to get a set by now. If you only like to participate in OW content, then that is on you and no one else. You have to take the pros and cons with your decision.

[Sobx.1758]

14 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

Normal Strikes , don't have Legendary and people do them .

Yeah, what's your point? How is this responding to anything I wrote? I don't get it, can you just tell me what specifically you're responding to and how what you're writing here changes anything about it?

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HoT Raid reward with the combat  the moving parts , are not going everywhere .

Ok, again, I don't see how that changes or even responds to anything I wrote in my post/s. Pretty sure it just doesn't, but in case it does, please point out to what part specifically you're responding with this.

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If people can get the Legendary from OW which will looks like boring  , they  likely also get the HoT one

Why would they suddenly "get HoT one faster"? They can participate in that content with ascended (duh, actually that content can be still reasonably participated in with exotics). Don't try to fool anyone here, since the point of what you write is specifically to avoid that content, not to somehow "get to it faster" (and that still wouldn't somehow help you "get it faster" btw).

 

And btw, you've said you agreed with me here:

But now... you suddenly don't anymore? 🤔

Edited April 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[IAmNotMatthew.1058]

3 hours ago, Erise.5614 said:

Again. We ain't asking for fast and cheap OW legendaries. It is possible to get all 3 sets of raid armor with about 6 hours of non raid gameplay.

Not conveniently. But the game nudging you towards other content is fine. 

Getting all 3 sets of raid armor also require 750LI. Which, even on the very low end is 125 hours. 

Except OP is asking for fast and cheap OW Legendaries by throwing out the special stuff, you know, the ones that GATE the Legendary armor, if you remove the PvP aspect of PvP armor in favor of achievement and stuff you remove the gating with it.

You have an item that is made up of 4 easy things and an item that takes long to get or expensive to get. You remove the latter you make the item faster to get.
In case of each game mode's armor there is an item that gates it. Legendary Insight, Ascended Shards, Skirmish Tickets. You remove these you make the item faster to get. Claiming that others should get armor that way, because they matter too is you telling those who got the item already that they don't matter for you.

Saying that OW players should get a Legendary armor piece for ~320 gold without anything difficult or a time gate is actually asking for a fast and cheap Legendary.

Edited April 23, 2022 by IAmNotMatthew.1058

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Yeah, what's your point? How is this responding to anything I wrote? I don't get it, can you just tell me what specifically you're responding to and how what you're writing here changes anything about it?

Ok, again, I don't see how that changes or even responds to anything I wrote in my post/s. Pretty sure it just doesn't, but in case it does, please point out to what part specifically you're responding with this.

Why would they suddenly "get HoT one faster"? They can participate in that content with ascended (duh, actually that content can be still reasonably participated in with exotics). Don't try to fool anyone here, since the point of what you write is specifically to avoid that content, not to somehow "get to it faster" (and that still wouldn't somehow help you "get it faster" btw).

Normal Strikes don't have a Legendary ...already people are going out of their comfort zone .

By having an OW legendary set , it wouldn't magically make them hate Strikes and not progress into Raids .

True , you are clever , i cannot fool you .

 

So let me have a offensive a bit and ask you about  the prestige -special part of the gear ?

Edited April 23, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940

[Sobx.1758]

4 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

Normal Strikes don't have a Legendary ...already people are going out of their comfort zone .

Ok, so what? Again: what exactly is this responding to? What does it change about what I wrote in my posts?  Just repeating the same disconnected sentence that I've just asked you to clarify doesn't explain anything here. Why are you writing this to me? To which part of my post is this supposed to be answering?

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By having an OW legendary set , it wouldn't magically make them hate Strikes and not progress into Raids .

Ok, nobody said it would and definitely I didn't say anything like that. Why are you typing this to me? Instead of randomizing responses, actualy respond to what you're quoting instead.

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True , you are clever , i cannot fool you

I don't think I'm that clever, but I agree that you can't, no matter how many posts you try to dodge and revert into something entirely different, like you keep doing.

 

And btw, you've said you agreed with me here:

But now... you suddenly don't anymore? 🤔

Edited April 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[Erise.5614]

11 minutes ago, IAmNotMatthew.1058 said:

Except OP is asking for fast and cheap OW Legendaries by throwing out the special stuff, you know, the ones that GATE the Legendary armor, if you remove the PvP aspect of PvE armor in favor of achievement and stuff you remove the gating with it.

You have an item that is made up of 4 easy things and an item that takes long to get or expensive to get. You remove the latter you make the item faster to get.
In case of each game mode's armor there is an item that gates it. Legendary Insight, Ascended Shards, Skirmish Tickets. You remove these you make the item faster to get. Claiming that others should get armor that way, because they matter too is you telling those who got the item already that they don't matter for you.

Saying that OW players should get a Legendary armor piece for ~320 gold without anything difficult or a time gate is actually asking for a fast and cheap Legendary.

Either there was something I overlooked or that's not literally what OP asked.

Binding it to large amounts of account bound currencies is fine. Make it 100 chak eggs and equivalent for all expansion meta maps. Add a JP currency that's limited to weekly acquisitions similar to raids or strike shards. In fact, strike shards would be fine too. Fractals could be valid too technically speaking but the content is too old and too unsupported similar to raids. Which makes it a worse choice than strikes. Important side note. Playing the easiest ones has to be a valid way to progress towards it. Just like spamming escort is a valid strategy. It can't necessitate CMs nor Harvest Temple to serve the purpose of appealing to a different audience. To serve the purpose of nudging people into content while providing a proper end game goal. Which meta focused OW is honestly lacking. There is no long term goal playing OW.

Edit: Heck, even ~300 magnetite shards for the armor would be fine. Nudging people to play raids. But not necessitating extensive grinding. 

On that note. I even agree that Raid armor is too cheap. It should not be ~100g cheaper than WvW/PvP armor. Just like WvW/PvP armor should require a WvW/PvP focused collection. Not just a lot of play. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Erise.5614

[Vilin.8056]

Of course we should get another PvE legendary armor.

But Strike Missions are empty, Fractals are empty, even open maps are empty! Only a small minority does them! They are not worthy activities for the glorious majority!

Let's just make Legendary Armor a reward for farming flax nodes! It needs to be, by public request, a collection swimsuits, and exclusive only to the Tengu race!

Only then, shall our desire be fulfilled!

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Ok, so what? Again: what exactly is this responding to? What does it change about what I wrote in my posts?  Just repeating the same disconnected sentence that I've just asked you to clarify doesn't explain anything here. Why are you writing this to me? To which part of my post is this supposed to be answering?

Ok, nobody said it would and definitely I didn't say anything like that. Why are you typing this to me? Instead of randomizing responses, actualy respond to what you're quoting instead.

I don't think I'm that clever, but I agree that you can't, no matter how many posts you try to dodge and revert into something else.

 

And btw, you've said you agreed with me here:

But now... you suddenly don't anymore? 🤔

You are the one saying that there shouldn't be a Legendary set in OW, because people are not going to try Raids.

Which i am pointing you , that you are wrong . People do Strikes and there not a carrot . Simply Raids didn't have a easy mode .

Edited April 23, 2022 by Killthehealersffs.8940

[Sobx.1758]

3 minutes ago, Erise.5614 said:

Either there was something I overlooked or that's not literally what OP asked.

Yeah, I guess you've missed it:

4 hours ago, Mercutio.6312 said:

It could be similar to the ways to get the legendary armor of pvp by replacing items obtained with pvp currencies with items obtained with the many currencies of pve or the completion of achievements and collections. As an ascent armor to get the legendary armor you could use the one created with crafting.

Pretty sure someone already pointed that out in this thread too.

[Sobx.1758]

1 minute ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

You are the one saying that there shouldn't be a Legendary set in OW, because people are not going to try Raids.

In which post? Link it.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758

[Omega.6801]

3 hours ago, Elden Arnaas.4870 said:

That simply isn't true.  You can make players work for things in PvE.  

You mean like the DE meta? 🤣

(We're already on page3)

Edited April 23, 2022 by lokh.2695

[Killthehealersffs.8940]

10 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

In which post? Link it. Quote it.

In the part , where you always say that people don't need an OW legendary , but they should go out in the way to get one provided .

I proved to you that Legendary is not Prestigious , not that Normal Strikes are done becase of the existance of such