Kuma.1503 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 They can use hammer to give perma alac . No boon duration (You get 16% from Nature Magic which is unavoidable). I used Water Spirit and Frost spirit. Spike trap for an extra CC to proc the CDR. You can also use 3 spirts with Water spirit, Frost Spirit and Storm Spirit. Just use your hammer CCs to constantly reset the cooldown of your spirits. Take this info for what you will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajinSoul.4512 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Interesting, tried this out and it was super easy to maintain 100% alac with full berserker's gear and 2 spirits (used Water and Storm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 That was expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canidae Canis.2861 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Does this work if the target's CC bar is locked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Kuma.1503 said: They can use hammer to give perma alac . No boon duration (You get 16% from Nature Magic which is unavoidable). I used Water Spirit and Frost spirit. Spike trap for an extra CC to proc the CDR. You can also use 3 spirts with Water spirit, Frost Spirit and Storm Spirit. Just use your hammer CCs to constantly reset the cooldown of your spirits. Take this info for what you will. 3 spirit sounds about right. Issue is no damage and very low utility, why would you bring untamed. now if the fervent force trait effects could be shared among 5 friendlies as I suggested some time ago…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebrent.3625 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 That is interesting. I'm curious to see the results when someone plays with it more and runs the numbers. The idea that it would lose some DPS over taking more damage-oriented utilities is simply a known; other classes make this tradeoff too when comparing their straight DPS vs their DPS + X builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Sebrent.3625 said: That is interesting. I'm curious to see the results when someone plays with it more and runs the numbers. The idea that it would lose some DPS over taking more damage-oriented utilities is simply a known; other classes make this tradeoff too when comparing their straight DPS vs their DPS + X builds. Other classes support builds already did more damage then full DPS untamed. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Canidae Canis.2861 said: Does this work if the target's CC bar is locked? Yes it does 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainbowTurtle.3542 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 The only problem is that it's kind of difficult to make it an actual viable DPS... it's decently difficult to get it to a good APM, especially if trying for alac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 It's a bad as Sic' Em soulbeast--need to blow an entire bar to do one thing well. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canidae Canis.2861 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Kuma.1503 said: Yes it does 🙂 Oh wow, I had no idea! This...actually changes a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyreva.1078 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 The problem with this type of build will be, that is is reliant on landing melee cc nonstop. Boss goes invuln, or you are forced to move due to mechanics? There goes your alac uptime as well as your dmg. In many fights it will be straight impractical. And even in an optimal (golem like) fight it is weaker than mech in pretty much every regard (except cc i guess) - and that's what it ultimatively has to compete with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajinSoul.4512 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, UmbraNoctis.1907 said: The problem with this type of build will be, that is is reliant on landing melee cc nonstop. Boss goes invuln, or you are forced to move due to mechanics? There goes your alac uptime as well as your dmg. In many fights it will be straight impractical. And even in an optimal (golem like) fight it is weaker than mech in pretty much every regard (except cc i guess) - and that's what it ultimatively has to compete with. Yeah, aligns with my experience unfortunately. Alac uptime dropped hard when I tried it in the Aetherblade Hideout strike due to the constant phasing. I might just give in and gear a Mech after all 😕 Btw: Fervent Force does not work on the Icebrood Construct in the Shiverpeaks Pass strike resulting in an absolutely awful experience with Untamed. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't playtested ... Edited June 29, 2022 by MajinSoul.4512 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worats.7064 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Alac untamed is actually pretty decent. I'm getting around 28k dps with a dps oriented setup using 2 spirits to cover 100% alac uptime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJA6RYu4-eM&ab_channel=Worats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexndrTheGreat.8310 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 hours ago, MajinSoul.4512 said: I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't playtested Don’t worry nothing in this patch was 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider.6024 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Night.9524 said: Alac untamed is actually pretty decent. I'm getting around 28k dps with a dps oriented setup using 2 spirits to cover 100% alac uptime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJA6RYu4-eM&ab_channel=Worats whats the build? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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