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[Stand The Wall.6987]

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Edited July 30, 2022 by Stand The Wall.6987

[CalmTheStorm.2364]

10 hours ago, Broxxgar.6801 said:

@Lan Deathrider.5910 @Grand Marshal.4098 @CalmTheStorm.2364
(ERROR - I didn't Remember that the bundle was removed, bad decision to remove it from banners)
Hello Guys I was watching you from afar. Hope that everyone here is well and I don't know if you a remember me or not.

I kept my eye on the forum. Warrior is a class that I play and I like  the most in any MMO. But here in GW2 we have a differences against the common tab target combat that we experience in Majority of MMO's.

So I came here to bring some thoughts and News to you. I had been look for this for a long time. I'm without time to play , so today I take a break and look for a thing that many of you was talking about that was the Banner. This thing I discover when I was doing a quest years ago. This ideia is already on the game its juts need to be plugged on Warriros Skills.


This is how banner should work when picked or droped on the ground.

https://i.imgur.com/e8gJ3uW.jpg

This should work when we grab it.

Now what each skill does:
And each Skill has action. I don't know why Arena.net or the devs didn't take from this mission.

https://i.imgur.com/yZGLMVu.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/dhRyLFL.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/KZhd2fU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rqJk2cW.jpg

I did know this for a long time but kept in silencing just watching what Arena.net would do with the current change on Banners. Sad but they really don't know to much about their own game.


For other who want to take a look this is the mission on the map (Metrica Province):
https://i.imgur.com/N7qm6Vu.jpg

I like the way of Bladesworn was design but the self-root and the total desync with core special weapon skill broke the entire class a part. Bladesworn is almost a new class trying to surviving with warrior core skill.



@Lan Deathrider.5910 may you could contact I think CMC.
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Welcome back, my friend! I was just thinking of you the other day, actually. Glad to hear you're alive and well! 

[Lighter.5631]

On 7/27/2022 at 9:37 PM, lgwald.4038 said:

Am I crazy to think the banner that gives stab, super speed and resistance is going to be good for sPvp? All of that feels useful on a node. Especially against certain classes that spam weakness and blinds. 

crazy to me.

stab and super speed are most likely 2 second max, with 30 seconds cooldown and 360 radius that will barely hit anyone. even the banner can cover the small points. there's no one hard stand on point anymore

 

the pulsing resistance is ok.

but again, it's basically what it has now, with dynamic the current fight meta is, and how mobile most classes.

360 radius resistance will be worse then current defense banner which at least pulse resistance in 600 radius. although still useless.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Lighter.5631

[RiyazGuerra.9203]

On 7/27/2022 at 4:56 PM, Geoff Fey.1035 said:

Double Standards: instead of doubling the boon duration it should be changed to provide the "on cast" effect both when it was cast and when it disappears, in addition to the quickness they currently have.

Recasting the banner drop effects is an intriguing idea, instead of giving that functionality to Double Standards, how about every time you drop any banner you get a new burst skill, Banner Recall, where you cash out on any remaining banner duration in order to recast the initial banner drop effects?

Banner Recall could just cost 1 bar adrenaline, and would mostly be reserved until banner duration is about to expire.  Would put a new interesting twist on the class resource.

Edited August 1, 2022 by RiyazGuerra.9203
Train tunnel cut phone service...

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Facet Banners 

😂😂😂😂

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

And the patch notes don't have any more numbers than the preview did...

Can someone who is able to bring up the game post the numbers for those of us stuck at work please?

[Grand Marshal.4098]

4 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

And the patch notes don't have any more numbers than the preview did...

Can someone who is able to bring up the game post the numbers for those of us stuck at work please?

Ill try now real quick before I continue my shift in a while brb

[Grand Marshal.4098]

11 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

And the patch notes don't have any more numbers than the preview did...

Can someone who is able to bring up the game post the numbers for those of us stuck at work please?

Tried this in Armistice

 

So yeah, banner on drop effects do not activate on the warrior's spot. They activate exactly within the banner's vicinity, dumb imo. 

Boon application on pulse is every 3 seconds. 

BoS: 10 sec of Might (2 stacks)

BoDisc: 4 sec of Fury

BoDef: 4 sec of Regen

BoT: 2 sec of Resi

The initial effects are:

BoS: 2 sec of Daze and 1735 dmg mod with full zerk armor and strength rune

BoDisc: 391 dmg mod with aforementioned gear and Cripple for 10sec and 3 stacks of bleed for 8 sec (they used the spike trap from rangers for this one in animation trigger)

BoDef: 3412 barrier scaing and 5 sec of Aegis

BoT:  5 sec of Superspeed and 5 sec of 5 stacks of Stab

 

No stunbreak banner, a huge loss here. Banner placing being on top of you means that the banners will only be used for the initial boons (only Tactics is worth it) and not for the pulsing ones in WvW. Pulse effects are too weak anyway and Banner of Strength will only see minor use in SpB builds for the short range daze. Needs testing and even then tough to imagine having any use for it.

Support Spellbreaker will have to drop SiO or Break Enchantments for tactics or Defense, if not Stomp for extra strips/stunbreak or Balanced Stance for personal stunbreaks. Stand Your Ground is already >>>>>>>>> as an option over Banners and has no clunky use of having to be on top of the banner's area to get the initial effects.

[josh.3847]

25 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

And the patch notes don't have any more numbers than the preview did...

Can someone who is able to bring up the game post the numbers for those of us stuck at work please?

Double Standards gives 7 seconds base quick, tactics banner has additional 5 base quick. in addition to the post above mine

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

TY @josh.3847 and @Grand Marshal.4098.

The damage on BoS and BoD could be higher, especially the bleed stacks on BoS.

Is that damage from BoS a critical hit, or the tool tip damage? If it is the tooltip damage then it may be decent in the end.

The barrier and Aegis on BoD is what I was expecting. The number of stacks of stability on BoT is impactful. I can see BoT being dropped  before a push, with the residual resistance helping for the push. I can see BoS used as well during a push to interrupt/immobilize parts of the enemy zerg. I'm not seeing a single warrior doing this, but a few warriors, each carrying one banner doing it.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Just now, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

TY @josh.3847 and @Grand Marshal.4098.
The damage on BoS and BoD could be higher, especially the bleed stacks on BoS.

Is that damage from BoS a critical hit, or the tool tip damage? If it is the tooltip damage then it may be decent in the end.

The barrier and Aegis on BoD is what I was expecting. The number of stacks of stability on BoT is impactful. I can see BoT being dropped  before a push, with the residual resistance helping for the push. I can see BoS used as well during a push to interrupt/immobilize parts of the enemy zerg. I'm not seeing a single warrior doing this, but a few warriors, each carrying one banner doing it.

No problem.

Its the tooltip. With full zerk zerg gear on armistice, I crit for 4k with no might. It's aight I suppose. Will still be super difficult to find a slot for it with SpB, let alone Zerker. Core Phalanx might drop Stomp for it I guess. Need to see if pulsing might on allies still heals me with Mending Might even if I am not in the vicinity of the banner.

 

Stand Your Ground is pretty much Banner of tactics and defense combined but with the added effect of a shout. Again, will be tough to find a spot for non-stunbreak banners. 

Maybe Banner of Discipline with Leg Specialist can do something with SpB, like Banner of Strength with the daze does, but I think it's very minor and not suited for the role as much when Hammer, Stomp and Break Enchanments are avaialble.

Also range is not very great, so its nigh melee. If it was 900 range plus I could see some use for some range immobs and dazes at the cost of the boons ofc, since you use the banners offensively and warrior cannot have nice things 🙂

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Just now, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

No problem.

Its the tooltip. With full zerk zerg gear on armistice, I crit for 4k with no might. It's aight I suppose. Will still be super difficult to find a slot for it with SpB, let alone Zerker. Core Phalanx might drop Stomp for it I guess. Need to see if pulsing might on allies still heals me with Mending Might even if I am not in the vicinity of the banner.

I'd happily find a spot for a 4k daze with no might stacks in any build I run. It should proc MM remotely.

Just now, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

Stand Your Ground is pretty much Banner of tactics and defense combined but with the added effect of a shout. Again, will be tough to find a spot for non-stunbreak banners. 

Maybe Banner of Discipline with Leg Specialist can do something with SpB, like Banner of Strength with the daze does, but I think it's very minor and not suited for the role as much when Hammer, Stomp and Break Enchanments are avaialble.

Also range is not very great, so its nigh melee. If it was 900 range plus I could see some use for some range immobs and dazes at the cost of the boons ofc, since you use the banners offensively and warrior cannot have nice things 🙂

What? they reduced the range on it? What is the range?

[Grand Marshal.4098]

5 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

I'd happily find a spot for a 4k daze with no might stacks in any build I run. It should proc MM remotely.

I hope so

5 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

What? they reduced the range on it? What is the range?

well it is 600, but for wvw thats like Well Radius, basically can use it then I suppose, but it's a very minor effect for that range, and might as well focus on other utils. Will check it. Strength the only banner worth running in such occasions imo. Scrappers and FBs have enough stab and cleanse coverage to run Tactics and Defense with no stunbreaks. Shake it Off too irreplacable for Support SpBs, even if Scrappers are supposed to cleanse.

[Fwog.9387]

My only complaint. They are weird wells. Just change them into wells so they benefit from runes of the chronomancer. Seems reasonable to me.