I would just like to start engaging with the game in ways meaningful to me.

[VooDoo.9014]

4 minutes ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

less on gear but instead on what you enjoy with the game.

I enjoy min maxing. That is my fun. It might not be for others. It is for me, and many others. It is fine if one cannot understand it. Different opinions are still valid nonetheless.

 

 I am under no illusions or assumptions that having full exotic or even legendary/ascended will instantly make me a god at the game it isn't like that at all. And to simplify my words as such are just a mischaracterization or ingenuine attempt at winning some sort of debate someone thinks is being had.

Edited September 10, 2022 by VooDoo.9014

[costepj.5120]

If you enjoy min/maxing, why do you want the game to instantly hand you max everything? Isn't the fun in seeking out and claiming what you need to max your build?

[VooDoo.9014]

Just now, costepj.5120 said:

If you enjoy min/maxing, why do you want the game to instantly hand you max everything? Isn't the fun in seeking out and claiming what you need to max your build?

That depends on who you ask.

[costepj.5120]

I'm asking you.

 

I'm not a min/maxer. After ten years (16,000 hours in game) most of my characters have very average gear. One has ascended, but only so she can play T4 fractals. I enjoy roaming in WvW for a couple of hours each week. I don't die there any more than in PvE. Sure I might get ganked occasionally while flipping a camp, but no build or gear in the game will prevent that from happening.

[VooDoo.9014]

Think of the gear as a set of legos or building blocks. The fun is in putting them together to see what new things you can make that no one has ever thought of or seen before. The busy work in between is mindnumbing to me. But I don't fault any one else for enjoying said things.

[Farohna.6247]

24 minutes ago, VooDoo.9014 said:

And they get dumpstered all the time by people in full gear setup. As they should of course. 

 

I understand this but I think it was more or less just meant to belittle me and imply that I have 0 knowledge of the game and its mechanics which is just not true. Though I have a different opinion about some things there is no need to make things personal.

 

Point me to the post that someone said that in. I will wait. Just because casuals can get by farming hearts in their non exotic gear and find that enjoyable, does not mean that full exotic is not at least considered the starting point for gear at 80 in WvW. If you don't believe that to be true then you are in the minority. Every guide for WvW calls for at least full exotic for a reason. Don't hide behind the fact there are worse options out there. Sure I could clean my whole apartment floor with a tooth brush instead of a mop that doesn't make a challenge it makes things take longer and makes the process unenjoyable because I'm working with crap tools.

80 boosts are meant to get you past the part of the game that some people consider to be crap, weather you like it that they consider some things crap is irrelevant.  That is why they are in the store and that is why they sell.

You get a full set of celestial gear...it's a good starting point and was updated over the soldier's stat gear.  Use that until you get the stat selectable gear you want.   And follow some of the advice given generously by other players.  Cheers!

[VooDoo.9014]

1 minute ago, Farohna.6247 said:

You get a full set of celestial gear...it's a good starting point and was updated over the soldier's stat gear.  Use that until you get the stat selectable gear you want.   And follow some of the advice given generously by other players.  Cheers!

That is what I am currently doing. You also get access to message boards to make suggestions and voice opinions on things you find inadequate, just dont like, or want improved. One can make use of both of those things, the celestial gear and the forum, in hopes of maybe changing things for the better, the same way things were changed for the better when they got rid of soldier's.

[costepj.5120]

Did you post in the wrong forum then? This is "players helping players". We can't change the lvl 80 boost gear for you; we can only suggest alternatives.

[VooDoo.9014]

3 minutes ago, costepj.5120 said:

Did you post in the wrong forum then? This is "players helping players". We can't change the lvl 80 boost gear for you; we can only suggest alternatives.

Oh no, its the right place. I don't look at this as just a problem that I'm facing but something alot of new players struggle with. Weather or not I like the alternatives I think it is good for other people who did not know about them before seeing this post to see the options out there provided by you all. I'm not only thinking of myself here.

[Ronin.4501]

9 hours ago, VooDoo.9014 said:

Yea sorry you had to go through all that if you didn't enjoy it, and if you did I am happy for you. Times change though and this is the same political argument I hear being argued elsewhere I just brush it off. People were also paid pennies back in the day that doesn't mean we should still be paying people pennies now.

Nothing in my post said I didn't enjoy it; I simply stated that it took me (and every other player in the game for that matter) a long time to accrue the end-game type gear I've acquired. Based on your original post, like you, I primarily play in WvW (95% of the my playing time). My point was that I didn't get everything overnight. I had to put in my time to earn it. Fortunately I enjoyed playing in WvW so acquiring that end-game gear never felt like a chore. Admittedly I don't look forward to having to PvE for some of the other end-game type gear that can't be acquired via WvW, but neither am I complaining about it. After all, if the gear I'm seeking to acquire wasn't worth the effort, I wouldn't be putting in the time.

But as others have mentioned there are methods to at least acquire stat-selectable gear which require little to no effort other than simply playing the game-mode you enjoy. Simply research which WvW Reward tracks to run (I can't make any suggestions as I haven't worked towards that type of gear in a few years now so I don't recall the options). https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/WvW_Reward_Track. And again, the other option is simply to buy it off the Trading post. 95% of the exotic armor and weapon sets can be purchased that way, and are absolutely suitable for use in the WvW game mode. And should you choose to eventually upgrade to Ascended/Legendary (which don't really provide much of a stat boost over exotic), play the game mode you enjoy for a while and you'll be able to acquire it with a simple purchase from the Skirmish vendor found at every WvW spawn area.

[Crono.4197]

11 hours ago, VooDoo.9014 said:

Pre ordered this game 10 years ago. Never was a fan of the open world content or the story or leveling, I am not against other people enjoying it. Just not my type of content. It actually makes me want to (and actually has made me) quit the game for years several times over on and off. I love the game's world vs world, which you need to farm gear for and we will come back to that later. I love the SPvP as well. I know it is considered by many, even in the PvP scene itself to be the worst part of the game, but there are still some who like it and that is enough for me. The thing that gets me coming back time and time again is the SPvP , the combat, the WvW. The thing that makes me keep leaving is the fact that for I don't even know how many years now Heart of Thorns maps have been, and will continue to be the standard "gearing up your fresh 80 expansion". Some people like HoT maps and jump puzzles and the verticality and that is fine I am a fan of giving people what they want. A fan of options. This has been the most efficient option for new players for a bit too long don't you think? I mean the HoT maps alone are enough to make me want to uninstall every time I load into one and try to find where I am going. Sure you can say just give it time and you will eventually get used to navigating there, but the point that I am trying to make is that there have to be better or equivalent options of stat selectable exotic gear. I feel alot of vet players forget what it is like gearing up from nothing with very little knowledge of the gearing and merchant system of this game. Even when you go out and get the knowledge things are scattered all over the place, to get them is actually trivial in most cases, so I don't even know if I can call it gameplay at that point it is more like a shopping list or busy work, running errands.  This is where the "Well maybe this game is just not for you" crowd start to chime in I guess. But the game is for me, it has the things in it that I enjoy,  some of the best quality of things that I enjoy even. I would just like ANet and maybe other players to realize that when it comes to new, and returning, and re re turning players. Gearing is a complete mess and I feel there is no reason for it to be so esoteric. 

 

Obligatory I own all the expansions, yes I have boosted my 80s, yes I understand how they are played at a level competent enough to clear content and even hold my own in PvP.  This is not my first mmo, although I do understand they all have their qwirks. The core gameplay I understand . The world completion, exploring, all of that pve stuff its just not for me, especially the HoT maps. 

 

I just want to be able to have a source of stat selectable exotic gear that is accessible without having to go on what feels like a prologue to actually starting the game, when you are already quite literally supposed to be at end game working on the main selling points of this game like legendries and ascended gear, fractals, raids, WvW . (the debate on weather or not this game has one is another topic that I won't get into here) 

TLDR; Long story short: "I didn't play the game for a long time, I don't like anything about it and now that I came back, I want everything to be handed to me on a plate because I don't want to actually play the game to earn them!!!"

And wait what? Main selling points of this game are legendaries, ascended, fractals, raids and WvW. Well I'll be, I played this game for 8 years and I never knew that I'm actually playing WoW!

If you're saying only those things matter in this game, I reaaaaaally think this game is not for you, my man.

[VooDoo.9014]

23 minutes ago, Crono.4197 said:

TLDR; Long story short: "I didn't play the game for a long time, I don't like anything about it and now that I came back, I want everything to be handed to me on a plate because I don't want to actually play the game to earn them!!!"

I like many things about it. Different things than you may like, but that doesn't make them any less valid. I never asked for anything to be handed to me. I asked that there be more sources of said things. I never said there was no way to get them, simply that there should be more ways, for players of all types. This lift yourself up by your bootstraps mentality really has done harm to society. It is ok to recognize that things are not equitable when it comes to the different game modes/playstyles/mindsets. It is very uncharitable and bad faith to simply write off someone as asking for a welfare handout when all they are doing is asking for more ways to include everyone in the ability to min max if they do choose to do so. You may like to make yourself do things that you don't like and be okay with that. I commend you for it. You are not everyone though, and when things reach the point that videos about this exact gearing problem are getting millions of views and comments in agreement. Entire groups and guilds set up just to help alleviate some of this busy work and get people into the enjoyable part. There is clearly agreement from many people on this.

 

23 minutes ago, Crono.4197 said:

And wait what? Main selling points of this game are legendaries, ascended, fractals, raids and WvW. Well I'll be, I played this game for 8 years and I never knew that I'm actually playing WoW!

People buy things for different reasons, it is okay to not like some parts of the game, but just because you don't like one part of the game doesn't mean others didn't buy the game specifically for that part themselves. Why is it that those who always accuse people of asking for handouts seem so obsessed with, well only themselves it seems.

 

23 minutes ago, Crono.4197 said:

If you're saying only those things matter in this game, I reaaaaaally think this game is not for you, my man.

I never said they were the only things that mattered in game. I said those are the only things that I and many others play the game for. Weather or not you think that makes the game for us or not is irrelevant because I am sure Anet would like the game to be for as many people as possible. Not really a good business practice to just toss customers out the airlock for not liking small details of a product.

 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by VooDoo.9014

[VooDoo.9014]

31 minutes ago, Ronin.4501 said:

Admittedly I don't look forward to having to PvE for some of the other end-game type gear that can't be acquired via WvW, but neither am I complaining about it. After all, if the gear I'm seeking to acquire wasn't worth the effort, I wouldn't be putting in the time.

Exactly my point. You find it worth the effort. I am happy you are able to do that and get some enjoyment out of it. Others do not and then simply leave. You may be okay with just writing them off and saying the game is not for them. That's your prerogative, but regardless of what you think of me or my opinions, I like this game. I want to see more people playing and less people quitting out of frustration, or forcing themselves to do things they loathe. That type of mentality is not for everyone. Options are a good thing to have.

[LadyMari.7920]

4 hours ago, VooDoo.9014 said:

Think of the gear as a set of legos or building blocks. The fun is in putting them together to see what new things you can make that no one has ever thought of or seen before. The busy work in between is mindnumbing to me. But I don't fault any one else for enjoying said things.

What you actually want is full legendary gear. Then you can do exactly this at any time without any extra work. It will take time (it is legendary, after all) but you'll enjoy the game your way once you have it! Good luck. 🙂

[VooDoo.9014]

2 minutes ago, LadyMari.7920 said:

What you actually want is full legendary gear. Then you can do exactly this at any time without any extra work. It will take time (it is legendary, after all) but you'll enjoy the game your way once you have it! Good luck. 🙂

Correct, and that is why I have not mentioned legendary gear as an issue regarding how difficult it is to get them. It should be. Exotics are the (in my opinion) start point from 80 to getting those legendary items. This is one reason I consider them to be bare minimum. You have your rares and masterworks as well, those are so obsolete and obviously intended as stepping stone gear on the way to 80. Once you are 80 your start point is stat selectable exotic gear. More, and clearer accessibility to these would go a long way in getting people to maybe feel the urge to go out and get those legendary items and doing other forms of content instead of just leaving.

[Farohna.6247]

Curiously there seems to be no shortage of people crafting or obtaining legendaries....

Edited September 10, 2022 by Farohna.6247

[VooDoo.9014]

3 minutes ago, Farohna.6247 said:

Curiously there seems to be no shortage of people crafting or obtaining legendaries....

Curiously the world will not spontaneously combust if there are even more of them.

[VooDoo.9014]

If we are gonna get passive aggressive about simple disagreements on what types of gameplay each other like, then I just request the mods close the thread.

 

Next time just be aggressive, I can take it. Does nothing to progress dialogue though.

Edited September 10, 2022 by VooDoo.9014

[Linken.6345]

20 hours ago, VooDoo.9014 said:

Correct, and that is why I have not mentioned legendary gear as an issue regarding how difficult it is to get them. It should be. Exotics are the (in my opinion) start point from 80 to getting those legendary items. This is one reason I consider them to be bare minimum. You have your rares and masterworks as well, those are so obsolete and obviously intended as stepping stone gear on the way to 80. Once you are 80 your start point is stat selectable exotic gear. More, and clearer accessibility to these would go a long way in getting people to maybe feel the urge to go out and get those legendary items and doing other forms of content instead of just leaving.

If you can buy stat selecatable exotics for cheap why would you every go for a legendary?

[VooDoo.9014]

12 minutes ago, Linken.6345 said:

If you can buy stat selecatable exotics for cheap why would you every go for a legendary?

Because it is something you actually want to do. If you want to do something you don't need a reward to go and do it. Rewards are just a way of getting players to do things they don't like. Games are about doing the things you enjoy. Rewards in mmos have ruined them. Everything is about getting everyone to do a little bit of everything. Not everyone has to do everything that's okay. There is no need to try and bribe people with rewards. Let people do the things they would do even if there was no reward. It is about the journey and not the destination after all. So give the proper tools from the start, at least when selling people the item that is supposed to do exactly just that. Maybe even a compromise would be reworking the celestial gear given from 80 boosts into a stat selectable set. Pick your build before leaving silverwastes and if you change your mind "earn" the rest.

 

To be clear im saying you only select the stats once, I'm not asking for the boosts to hand out legendaries/ascendeds. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by VooDoo.9014

[Freya.9075]

You would be surprised how many players in WvW runs around with exotic gear. Maybe a few ascended pieces. The gear is not what kills you or kill someone there, it’s skill. 
 

I consider myself a rather new player. Compared to veterans at least. Got 2-3 years gameplay by now and I didn’t find gearing up hard at all. I got legendaries and rest full ascended. Play the “meta” build in WvW and I still die whenever I meet someone there. And I can forget about killing anyone as they can see what I cast with my animations and just counter it. (Yes I’m a free lootbag as I’m a pve player) it’s all about skill. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Freya.9075

[T G.7496]

On 9/10/2022 at 3:05 PM, VooDoo.9014 said:

Think of the gear as a set of legos or building blocks. The fun is in putting them together to see what new things you can make that no one has ever thought of or seen before. The busy work in between is mindnumbing to me. But I don't fault any one else for enjoying said things.

I think this is the version of the game you're looking for.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/

For the record, I love spending time with this tool, so there's no trace of sarcasm to my suggestion - especially if you're not particularly enjoying playing the actual game modes.

[Forum Moderator.3074]

Closed on OP request.