Duglaive.5236 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, Lottie.5370 said: Do you never get bored of making these awful threads? I think that's their entire schtick: post as many annoying threads of varying types as possible in an attempt to get as many replies and reactions as possible. If you check out their post history, it's all about baiting forum white knights and the upper echelon of players as that's the best way to get him/her the attention they so obviously crave. And everyone just follows along; sorta like those who argue - pointlessly I'll add - with Obtena for pages on end. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 17 hours ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: whose essay on the Powerpuff Girls is better. Clearly Bubbles'. Duh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duglaive.5236 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Ashen.2907 said: Clearly Bubbles'. Duh. I dunno ... Mojo's, being read in Mojo's voice and speaking manner would be highly entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Duglaive.5236 said: I dunno ... Mojo's, being read in Mojo's voice and speaking manner would be highly entertaining. Sure...but he is not one of the Girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duglaive.5236 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Ashen.2907 said: Sure...but he is not one of the Girls. Well, it does say "essay on the Girls", not "by"; but I get your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Duglaive.5236 said: Well, it does say "essay on the Girls", not "by"; but I get your point Just reread the OP and you are absolutely correct. That said, I would take Him over Mojo Jojo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Duglaive.5236 said: I think that's their entire schtick: post as many annoying threads of varying types as possible in an attempt to get as many replies and reactions as possible. If you check out their post history, it's all about baiting forum white knights and the upper echelon of players as that's the best way to get him/her the attention they so obviously crave. And everyone just follows along; sorta like those who argue - pointlessly I'll add - with Obtena for pages on end. Naa, Obtena is a way better troll. The magic is in only ever criticizing other people's positions without actually taking one of your own so that when they respond you can just say you never took a position on the subject, tacitly admitting your only purpose was to troll them. You have to be a pretty good troll to tell people you're trolling them and still get endless responses until the thread gets shut down by the mods. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythical.6315 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Rotations aren't 2-3 buttons. They're not even 5 buttons. There's 20-button openers to memorize, and then 20 button regular rotations. They give off the feeling of being complete accidents, 'discovered' by min-maxers who know math. The devs then balance these 'discoveries'. Being a raid elitist is like being elitist about whose essay on the Powerpuff Girls is better. A rotation is any sequence of buttons/keys. There doesn't need to be a certain number of different buttons/keys in order for it to be called a rotation. Edited October 23, 2022 by mythical.6315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) You don't need those "perfect rotations" or even specific "openers" for that matter. Most people talking about "just pressing 1"/"pressing whatever off cooldown" don't want you to be perfect/optimal -not even close- and that's not what the game is balanced around anyways. Tbh I'm not sure what's the actual point of this thread, but pretending only edge cases (no dmg lazy gameplay on terrible builds vs perfect meta builds/rotations) exist is a pretty bad starting point in the first place. Edited October 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: Tbh I'm not sure what's the actual point of this thread, but pretending only edge cases (no dmg lazy gameplay on terrible builds vs perfect meta builds/rotations) exist is a pretty bad starting point in the first place. No it isn't, because them still being in the game means the game designers tacitly approve of them. Edited October 23, 2022 by lezbefriends.7516 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: No it isn't, because it's obvious the game designers know they're there and do nothing about them. I'm not sure I understand. It isn't a bad point because devs know edge cases exist? How does this change anything about what I've said in my post? Edited October 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: I'm not sure I understand. It isn't a bad point because devs know edge cases exist? How does this change anything about what I've said in my post? Obviously if that is the "benchmark", then all encounters are designed with that in mind. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Obviously if that is the "benchmark", then all encounters are designed with that in mind. No, that's not the benchmark the game is balanced around, which is what you apparently seem to be suggesting here. If there are some strong outliers in dps at the top of optimized gameplay, those builds are the ones that are nerfed, not the other way around. If the game was balanced around optimal builds/dps/gameplay, you'd be consistently failing playing anything below that and it's absolutely clear that's not even close to being a thing here. Edited October 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: No, that's not the benchmark the game is balanced around, which is what you apparently seem to be suggesting here. If there are some strong outliers in dps at the top of optimized gameplay, those builds are the ones that are nerfed, not the other way around. If the game was balanced around optimal builds/dps/gameplay, you'd be consistently failing playing anything below that and it's absolutely clear that's not even close to being a thing here. But you're not at the top with your sub-optimal playstyle are you? Point still stands. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: But you're not at the top with your sub-optimal playstyle are you? Point still stands. How would that work do the 5th guy from the bottom in a race get the gold medal in your world? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: But you're not at the top with your sub-optimal playstyle are you? Point still stands. Top of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, Ashen.2907 said: Top of what? DPS charts. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: But you're not at the top with your sub-optimal playstyle are you? How does it matter if "you're at the top"? The content is still clearly not balanced around expectation of the players to play at the optimal/top performance. You can be nowhere near the top performance and still comfortably complete the content. If the content was balanced with the expectation of having the top performance, that wouldn't be possible. Edited October 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: How does it matter if "you're at the top"? The content is still clearly not balanced around expectation of the players to play at the optimal/top performance. Of course it is, or people would be one-shotting raid bosses now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: DPS charts. What charts? I know that I am top dps in my groups with my suboptimal set up. I know that we still complete the content easily (for the most part). So....whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Of course it is, or people would be one-shotting raid bosses now. No, they wouldn't. The general powercreep still happens and the content is still not balanced around anywhere near the expectation of players performing at the peak. How do we know that? Join a zerg, run a dps meter and see the results when the events keep being completed successfully. If everyone isn't performing at the top of what is possible (spoiler alert: vast majority will not be even close to it), it's clear the content isn't made around the expectation of the players to perform the top of what the game allows them to. So no, that is not what the game is balanced around. Edited October 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, Sobx.1758 said: No, they wouldn't. The general powercreep still happens and the content is still not balanced around anywhere near the expectation of players performing at the peak. How do we know that? Join a zerg, run a dps meter and see the results when the events keep being completed successfully. If everyone isn't performing at the top of what is possible (spoiler alert: vast majority will not be close to it), it's clear the content isn't made around the expectation of the players to perform the best the game allows them to. Lmao a zerg. Of course those don't require optimal rotations, I'm talking about hardcore endgame content. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Sobx.1758 said: No, they wouldn't. The general powercreep still happens and the content is still not balanced around anywhere near the expectation of players performing at the peak. How do we know that? Join a zerg, run a dps meter and see the results when the events keep being completed successfully. If everyone isn't performing at the top of what is possible (spoiler alert: vast majority will not be close to it), it's clear the content isn't made around the expectation of the players to perform the best the game allows them to. This. Content in this game isnt even balanced around best in slot gear, let alone min-maxed/optimized builds and play. The game assumes rare gear....two steps down from BiS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Lmao a zerg. Of course those don't require optimal rotations, I'm talking about hardcore endgame content. Yeah, most squads will follow what I wrote above anyways. So join random squads and see what numbers can comfortably finish those encounters. It is still far from what you apparently think it is. Like... not even close. Edited October 23, 2022 by Sobx.1758 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Lmao a zerg. Of course those don't require optimal rotations, I'm talking about hardcore endgame content. People solo fractal t4 and cms. Raids have been done in green gear so how is it top preformance needed again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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