ArenaNet Staff Rubi Bayer.8493 Posted June 28, 2023 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted June 28, 2023 The Weaponmaster Training beta event for Secrets of the Obscure is open to all Guild Wars 2 players from June 29 until July 2! Try out the combat changes that are coming with SotO on August 22 and let us know what you think. You can leave your feedback for the mesmer in this thread. 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godfat.2604 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) Can we have a thread for the last balance patch as well? (Edited: I think for most of us, that's probably more important than upcoming new features) I know you're probably not going to read it, but I suppose one can hope, or at least make it more likely that you might try to read. (And act. Yeah just reading without actions is not very helpful) Edited June 28, 2023 by godfat.2604 8 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetFoxxed.9478 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Fix mirage and we will 19 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.7983 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 +1 to fix mirage, cal and roy murdered it again. 15 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistra.4087 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Use this thread to talk about the NEW stuff to come that you have to PAY for in the newest expansion! No, don't talk about all the other stuff we just ruined USE THIS TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW STUFF GUYS PLEASE GET HYPED AND BUY OUR EXPANSION 6 5 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemesis.8257 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Rubi Bayer.8493 said: Try out the combat changes that are coming with SotO on August 22 and let us know what you think. You can leave your feedback for the mesmer in this thread. Assuming they haven't thoughtfully been corrected with the upcoming content. Does that feedback include any of the already well documented bugs/behaviors that are currently present that we might not see resolved? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Rubi Bayer.8493 said: The Weaponmaster Training beta event for Secrets of the Obscure is open to all Guild Wars 2 players from June 29 until July 2! Try out the combat changes that are coming with SotO on August 22 and let us know what you think. You can leave your feedback for the mesmer in this thread. Yes, let's leave feedback that goes unnoticed and nothing changes. Don't waste your time or our time with your shenanigans. And I don't mean you directly, I mean CMC and team. We wasted countless time going over Mirage and Virtuoso when asked but the polar opposite was done when post after post was made on how broken certain aspects of these designs were. But yet, they made it through only to be utterly gutted later on. 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katte nici.9483 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 I think you should stop adding stuff that makes it even harder to balance. Although at this point... what about in combat instant profession swapping. 😅 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungo Zen.9364 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Rubi Bayer.8493 said: The Weaponmaster Training beta event for Secrets of the Obscure is open to all Guild Wars 2 players from June 29 until July 2! Try out the combat changes that are coming with SotO on August 22 and let us know what you think. You can leave your feedback for the mesmer in this thread. Will there be a patch before tomorrow that addresses some/all of the new bugs introduced to Mesmer with the June 27th patch? Or will the Beta environment 'fix' them? I can't be bothered to log in for a beta event when the base game is basically in a beta state right now. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Here we go again. We left tons of feedback on the Virtuoso thread too. Nothing really happened then either. But sure, i'll be trying out the new stuff. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshkyLicious.4729 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 @Rubi Bayer.8493 You need to fix everything that's gone so wrong with mirage after this last patch! There's so many bugs which affects skills, graphics, and Mirages dodge in different modes. Plus Mirage is too weak now with even more nerfs that the balance team gave it. Revert our dodge for PvE first of all, and let us dodge when we're immob in competetive modes. Fix these things and we can surely give you guys more feedback for Weaponmaster Training Beta! 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.7983 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 What is the point of asking for feedback if the dev's choose to ignore us anyways and release the past years worth of patches that pissed us all off. Seriously though the past year+ alone with cal and roy have caused the most damage ever done by any balancing. 10 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 As if any feedback coming from the Mesmer thread is going to be taken seriously...I mean did they take it seriously with Virtuoso...? I don't think so. At this point ANET Devs stop trying to pretend you guys aren't bias towards Mesmer, instead of capitalizing on one of the most unique classes in the MMO genre you decide to gut it because people are too ignorant to learn how this class actually plays out. I can tell you this ANY MESMER MAIN HERE can tell you that they have no problems versing a Mesmer. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.7983 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) Really would like to see the stats dev's use to figure out if a buff or nerf is in order, mirage confusion was only high on maybe 1-2 encounters? by the top 1% performer guilds, for most of us or casuals who will never get even close to it. Makes zero sense for us all to suffer the result of that. I really liked twin staff mirage for the low intensity open world champ kills or to help carry HoT hp's for people. Now mesmer is a bank mule until something gives. If the reason for the massive nerf was due to the staff/axe? build, maybe boost it back to full for staff/staff, and give a minor nerf to staff/axe. Alac needs to be fixed also to the version before the last huge nerf. Do not mind running 30% boon duration but full ritualist feels horrible. Edited June 28, 2023 by Mike.7983 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Spoilers: the new Dagger ambush on mirage is a 1/4s daze + 2 stacks of torment + 2 stacks of bleeding Looking very strong Edited June 29, 2023 by agrippastrilemma.8741 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Devs dug mirage out of the grave just to dump an extra mag and toss it back in 🤣 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Salt Mode.3780 said: As if any feedback coming from the Mesmer thread is going to be taken seriously...I mean did they take it seriously with Virtuoso...? I don't think so. /sarcasm on Now, they did give us back the 2nd dodge (along with 15 unnecesary nerfs) after 750 posts in a thread. If we post continuously for 2 years about 1 issue, they might listen, you never know! 😅 /sarcasm off In all seriousness, @Rubi Bayer.8493, you need to heavily work towards gaining community's trust again because this fiasco has been going on for years, and it's only going to get worse as you introduce more weapons per core/elite. Add to that the pretty blatantly obvious hatred towards the most unique class in any MMO, and the fact that all the feedback - including the most recent one that a LOT of people gave on this patch - got ignored completely, and you really have to ask yourselves there at Anet - why would anyone take you seriously? And it's still "good" when people are this angry, enough to post, because they still care. But you can't year after year make people angry with constant unprofessionalism, biased balancing etc. People will stop being angry and just won't care. You're seeing the effects of it right now And it's not just mesmer mains, and mesmer forums. This time, a lot of people are giving up, across all professions. Because people are memeing in the thread instead of actually wanting to help. Because that's what you're asking us. You want OUR help. Our TIME. And then spit on it by no one ever giving us their own slice of time to at least post in the forum - personally - to either thank us, or discuss their ideas with us. Acknowledge our contribution in any way. It's just ignored at best, or gone completely against common sense at worst. Year after year. And we gave you feedback. Year after year. And now - most people just don't care anymore. 12 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) so psyched for all the options, axe chronomancer and dagger/shield mirage! no wonder the dodge needed a little nerf if we get two! Edited June 30, 2023 by Eddie.9143 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojo.6590 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) These comments speak volumes about how the current Mesmer community feels. We've given you so much input for balance and yet have been ignored and yet now we're asked for input?! Where is the proof that you're actually listening to us? Otherwise, just like all of the input many of us have given over balance, this is a waste of all of our time. Your game isn't hurting because of content it is hurting due to biases in class balance. Edited June 29, 2023 by Jojo.6590 Grammar 7 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jojo.6590 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Veprovina.4876 said: /sarcasm on Now, they did give us back the 2nd dodge (along with 15 unnecesary nerfs) after 750 posts in a thread. If we post continuously for 2 years about 1 issue, they might listen, you never know! 😅 /sarcasm off In all seriousness, @Rubi Bayer.8493, you need to heavily work towards gaining community's trust again because this fiasco has been going on for years, and it's only going to get worse as you introduce more weapons per core/elite. Add to that the pretty blatantly obvious hatred towards the most unique class in any MMO, and the fact that all the feedback - including the most recent one that a LOT of people gave on this patch - got ignored completely, and you really have to ask yourselves there at Anet - why would anyone take you seriously? And it's still "good" when people are this angry, enough to post, because they still care. But you can't year after year make people angry with constant unprofessionalism, biased balancing etc. People will stop being angry and just won't care. You're seeing the effects of it right now And it's not just mesmer mains, and mesmer forums. This time, a lot of people are giving up, across all professions. Because people are memeing in the thread instead of actually wanting to help. Because that's what you're asking us. You want OUR help. Our TIME. And then spit on it by no one ever giving us their own slice of time to at least post in the forum - personally - to either thank us, or discuss their ideas with us. Acknowledge our contribution in any way. It's just ignored at best, or gone completely against common sense at worst. Year after year. And we gave you feedback. Year after year. And now - most people just don't care anymore. BINGO. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarathustra.1458 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Can we be offered a token "Balance" team member to sacrifice to the volcano Gods? I mean at this point, you managed to shaft three Mesmer Elite Specs in a single patch! That has to be a new level of nitwittery and only an offering of appeasement will satisfy... 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varis.5467 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 51 minutes ago, Zarathustra.1458 said: Can we be offered a token "Balance" team member to sacrifice to the volcano Gods? I mean at this point, you managed to shaft three Mesmer Elite Specs in a single patch! That has to be a new level of nitwittery and only an offering of appeasement will satisfy... I'm just gonna go play some Egyptian card game. At least I'd get a God on the field when 3 of my things are shafted. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liete.5263 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 There was a lot of feedback and yet no changes to the patch. Bladeturn Requiem is useless, dagger autoattack does more damage than #2 and #3 in WvW. Why provide feedback if no one listens anyways and then makes stuff even worse? 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 chrono got better 😄 ironically chrono is the only decent spec mesmer has, its anet classic to kitten on bad spec and buff the strong ones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agrippastrilemma.8741 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, Leonidrex.5649 said: chrono got better 😄 ironically chrono is the only decent spec mesmer has, its anet classic to kitten on bad spec and buff the strong ones idk, in pvp it probably went down a couple of tiers since the well alacrity is gone 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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