Mesmer gliding and mount-jumping from Citadel to enemy Garrison and porting people in - legit or an exploit?

[Firefly.5982]

Is a mesmer gliding from their Citadel to a little roof on the wall between Citadel and enemy Garrison, then gliding along that wall to the top outer wall ledge next to enemy Garrison, then mounting and mount-jumping from that wall ledge onto outer enemy Garrison wall, then porting their zerg directly to inner Garrison legit or an exploit?

Just looking for some clarification because I just witnessed this happen and it doesn't feel like an intended function of the game .-.

(Killed the mes the first time they tried it, they came back then disappeared when they saw me watching, then they came back again and did it again a bit later - guess they thought I had left.)

https://i.imgur.com/QbMcwXZ.jpg

Edited October 14, 2023 by Firefly.5982

[TheGrimm.5624]

Based on your image that looks like someone has been doing jumping puzzle exercises and found the exact edge of the zones. So yes we might need some invisible walls put into place.

[GewRoo.4172]

It's hard to call things like these exploits if there are known, practised and reported for years but still present in the game. I'm not encouraging it but at this point we just have to deal with it. 

[Mimizu.7340]

Not an exploit. 

There is another way to do it that is an exploit.

At least you can see this happening and try to prevent it.

[Gotejjeken.1267]

Here we go with the exploit spinning again...

[Firefly.5982]

This way to get into Garri probably exists because we didn't use to have gliding/mounts and without those it wouldn't be possible.

There isn't a wall because it wasn't necessary. Now that it is, it was simply forgotten/not on anyone's mind.

Let's be honest...We all know we aren't supposed to get into objectives like this xD

I just want to know if it's allowed. Because if it is, everyone can do it and it's a fair(er) game.

If not, I won't bother reporting because I know nobody cares -shrug-

[Sleepwalker.1398]

Oh this is weird.
I actually posted a picture of a server in this thread with 10+ ppl at this spot and greyed out the server name, seems someone deleted it without informing me.

[Chaba.5410]

I'd call it an exploit.  It is certainly unintended and other similar examples have been fixed with invisible walls (while others have not).

Edited October 17, 2023 by Chaba.5410

[Daredevil.2745]

Legit, many people use it to get inside and port people in. Especially at night when they don't have enought supplies for both outer and inner.

I think this feaute has been since day 1, all skilled mesmers use it. It hasn't been fixed for 10 years, that's why it is not an exploit.

[Chaba.5410]

Just now, Daredevil.2745 said:

I think this feaute has been since day 1, all skilled mesmers use it. It hasn't been fixed for 10 years, that's why it is not an exploit.

Gliding nor mounts have been in the game for 10 years...

[Daredevil.2745]

Just now, Chaba.5410 said:

Gliding nor mounts have been in the game for 10 years...

Still they have been in the game for many years.

[Bias.4306]

Gliders don't work in enemy territory?  How are they gliding in the garrison if you have control?

[TheGrimm.5624]

20 hours ago, Bias.4306 said:

Gliders don't work in enemy territory?  How are they gliding in the garrison if you have control?

I haven't tried it yet after the post, but I am thinking that they are hugging the wall close enough that the game is considering that part of the map to be part of the HBL spawn and thereby the gliding player's territory. Pure speculation there mind you. If that is the case then there might be an easy fix by reducing the spawn point area of control let alone an invis wall or maybe even a Leggo Defender considered part of the Garri's control.

[MedievalThings.5417]

Thieves can literally sword 2 through the walls at stoic to an enemy guard inside and then port in people (mesmers).  Still, Anet does nothing.

[Chaba.5410]

2 hours ago, TheGrimm.5624 said:

I haven't tried it yet after the post, but I am thinking that they are hugging the wall close enough that the game is considering that part of the map to be part of the HBL spawn and thereby the gliding player's territory.

I thought this too, but the borders closer to garri look like they were moved back.  I'm not sure how old that screenshot is or if that screenshot is what the OP actually witnessed.  Maybe the borders were moved already?  When I first read this thread I thought it was referencing the other JP from Citadel that allowed you to jump down into inner garri, but that required the use of a tonic or something.  Maybe what the OP witnessed was someone who found a way to combine the old JP with dropping down to that ledge just outside of the outer wall.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Chaba.5410

[Svanhvit.4387]

In general, it shouldn't work.  The zone for garrison is inside the back wall of citadel.  It may be that the height is the issue.  Taking the "high" road may be outside of the zone boundaries.   I have run along the lower ledges to get into garri to defend if there are enemies on the ground.  However, at the lower heights, if the enemy owns garri, you can't glide through to catch the first lower ledge--the birds will get ya (it's flipped on me while I was in the air).  And no, I would not cheat and use it to get into an enemy claimed garrison.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Svanhvit.4387

[TheGrimm.5624]

12 hours ago, Chaba.5410 said:

I thought this too, but the borders closer to garri look like they were moved back.  I'm not sure how old that screenshot is or if that screenshot is what the OP actually witnessed.  Maybe the borders were moved already?  When I first read this thread I thought it was referencing the other JP from Citadel that allowed you to jump down into inner garri, but that required the use of a tonic or something.  Maybe what the OP witnessed was someone who found a way to combine the old JP with dropping down to that ledge just outside of the outer wall.

 

10 hours ago, Svanhvit.4387 said:

In general, it shouldn't work.  The zone for garrison is inside the back wall of citadel.  It may be that the height is the issue.  Taking the "high" road may be outside of the zone boundaries.   I have run along the lower ledges to get into garri to defend if there are enemies on the ground.  However, at the lower heights, if the enemy owns garri, you can't glide through to catch the first lower ledge--the birds will get ya (it's flipped on me while I was in the air).  And no, I would not cheat and use it to get into an enemy claimed garrison.

I am not certain if we are all mental. I don't even like ABL after all these years but it makes me curious on how/what/where.  Maybe we should all be less stubborn and remember how curiosity worked out for said cat. 🙂 

[Remus Darkblight.1673]

On 10/17/2023 at 9:11 PM, Daredevil.2745 said:

Still they have been in the game for many years.

More years than not in fact.

I guess it's not an exploit unless Anet says it is, and they cannot at this stage say with any credibility that they are not at least aware of it.

[Justine.6351]

On 10/17/2023 at 3:07 PM, Daredevil.2745 said:

Legit, many people use it to get inside and port people in. Especially at night when they don't have enought supplies for both outer and inner.

I think this feaute has been since day 1, all skilled mesmers use it. It hasn't been fixed for 10 years, that's why it is not an exploit.

And here I am doing catas on the double walls.

[schokelmei.8271]

To be honest who cares these days. You'll get that structure back in no time.

There are worse things in the game that should've been fixed years ago

[Venport.3925]

ya this is hardly an exploit, espeically if they had control of the tower as well which is all you need to glide in these zones and if its their citadel then it "should" be their garrison 90% of the time, in which case its a non-issue.

[TheGrimm.5624]

On 10/19/2023 at 9:49 AM, Remus Darkblight.1673 said:

More years than not in fact.

I guess it's not an exploit unless Anet says it is, and they cannot at this stage say with any credibility that they are not at least aware of it.

Not sure there, I am only at 12K hours in WvW and I have never seen that one. It's not like they have 24x7 GM coverage on all servers and all maps.

[TheGrimm.5624]

10 hours ago, gebrechen.5643 said:

To be honest who cares these days. You'll get that structure back in no time.

There are worse things in the game that should've been fixed years ago

Not a show stopper, but if an easy fix, worth some time. For now the report if seen.

[TheGrimm.5624]

29 minutes ago, Venport.3925 said:

ya this is hardly an exploit, espeically if they had control of the tower as well which is all you need to glide in these zones and if its their citadel then it "should" be their garrison 90% of the time, in which case its a non-issue.

lol, no this is actually the definition of exploit. Sure I skipped the register and just left with this stuff, someone else was holding the door open why is that my fault. Come on lol.

[Chaba.5410]

BTW, thanks for posting about this.  Was able to keep an eye on this guy and prevent him from doing the same.  You should've seen the line of ballistae we built along that wall. xD

https://ibb.co/3hfv4dF