Upgrade/Buff Jackal Mount

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

1 minute ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Respond to the post you've quoted and then talk about "problems with comprehension and nuance", thank you. For the past few posts you skipped whatever anyone wrote and pivoted into bad personal remarks (including extremely relevant "post count"). It really does for you the opposite of what you're hoping for.

I didnt skip it, I acknowledged it but didnt comment.  I also dont necessarily disagree with things i dont respond to.  AM i supposed to acknowledge and respond to EVERY COMMENT MADE IN HERE?:

Edited December 20, 2023 by Jumpin Lumpix.6108

[Sobx.1758]

2 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

I already said jackal has uses.  I acknowledged that but you dont read.  THe MAJORITY do not use it.  ID ESTIMATE AT LEAST 90% do not use it IN MOST SITUATIONS.  why is this so hard for you to understand?

Speaking of "reading comprehension" and "not reading it". I did read it and what you've pivoted into now -"THe MAJORITY do not use it.  ID ESTIMATE AT LEAST 90% do not use it IN MOST SITUATIONS.  why is this so hard for you to understand?"- was also already answered, if only in these posts (one of which is what you've literally just quoted btw):

5 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Again, you're just making up any number you think will support your personal opinion. Even if "90% of all players chose raptor over jackal to get around", it's still aboslutely fine (because why wouldn't it be?). If you give the jackal substantial buffs to the point of those people actually caring about them enough to change their habit, they'll just start always using jackal over raptor. What then? Buff raptor because people use jackal over it? 

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1 hour ago, Shuzuru.3651 said:

If you know that i'm right, then you should understand that your request is useless, the reason jackal is used less is completely irrelevant to what it does, so buffing it would change nothing.

I personally don't care that it's used less, if people want to use a mostly bad version of jackal, who am I to stop them? It doesn't affect me.

 

So, exactly the same question: why is this so hard for you to understand? Where did you address anything about that? You didn't. You just skipped right over it and repeated what was already asnwered.

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

1 minute ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Speaking of "reading comprehension" and "not reading it". I did read it and what you've pivoted into now -"THe MAJORITY do not use it.  ID ESTIMATE AT LEAST 90% do not use it IN MOST SITUATIONS.  why is this so hard for you to understand?"- was also already answered, if only in these posts (one of which is what you've literally just quoted btw):

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So, exactly the same question: why is this so hard for you to understand? Where did you address anything about that? You didn't. You just skipped right over it and repeated what was already asnwered.

i ESTIMATED that 90% are NOT using it. FROM MY OBSERVATION of 1000's of hours of game play.  Thats why it needs to be made more useful.  thats why i made the post.  are we done now nitpicking language and the point of my thread completely  missing you?  Or is this how you interact with everyone?

Edited December 20, 2023 by Jumpin Lumpix.6108

[Sobx.1758]

2 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

i ESTIMATED that 90% are NOT using it. FROM MY OBSERVATION of 1000's of hours of game play.  Thats why it needs to be made more useful.  thats why i made the post.

...so you keep staying focused on the first short sentence and skip everything else again. Here, I'll cut out that short sentence out and leave the rest of the post that's the actual point of what I'm quoting:

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Even if "90% of all players chose raptor over jackal to get around", it's still aboslutely fine (because why wouldn't it be?). If you give the jackal substantial buffs to the point of those people actually caring about them enough to change their habit, they'll just start always using jackal over raptor. What then? Buff raptor because people use jackal over it? 

Hope that will help with understanding and shifting your focus to the rest of the quote instead of the first few words of it.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Sobx.1758

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

1 minute ago, Sobx.1758 said:

...so you keep staying focused on the first short sentence and skip everything else again. Here, I'll cut out that short sentence out and leave the rest of the post that's the actual point of what I'm quoting:

Hope that helps with understanding and shift your focus to the rest of the quote instead of the first few words of it.

I can see you ignored everything I said lol.  Guess this is how you intereact with everyone, nice.  You almost done derailing the thread?

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Jumpin Lumpix.6108

[Sobx.1758]

Just now, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

I can see you ignored everything I said lol.  Guess this is how you intereact with everyone, nice.

What did I ignore? Becuase I'm telling you EXACTLY what you're ignoring in the last few posts (Even if "90% of all players chose raptor over jackal to get around", it's still aboslutely fine (because why wouldn't it be?). If you give the jackal substantial buffs to the point of those people actually caring about them enough to change their habit, they'll just start always using jackal over raptor. What then? Buff raptor because people use jackal over it? ) and here... you're doing it again.

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

Just now, Sobx.1758 said:

What did I ignore? Becuase I'm telling you EXACTLY what you're ignoring in the last few posts (Even if "90% of all players chose raptor over jackal to get around", it's still aboslutely fine (because why wouldn't it be?). If you give the jackal substantial buffs to the point of those people actually caring about them enough to change their habit, they'll just start always using jackal over raptor. What then? Buff raptor because people use jackal over it? ) and here... you're doing it again.

I LEFT THE SUGGESTIONS OPEN ENDED.  I suggested a buff which is what you are harping on.  BUt it could be anything to make jackal more appealing to use.  Again you don't read.  this is why i agreed with randulf.  SOMETHING to make it more appealing then where it currently is.  I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT SOMETHING WOULD BE.  BUt something to make it better would be nice.

[Batel.9206]

No, I think jackal is fine as it is. Its sharp turns and evades are quite useful; I find myself defaulting to it often.

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

2 minutes ago, Batel.9206 said:

No, I think jackal is fine as it is. Its sharp turns and evades are quite useful; I find myself defaulting to it often.

well I win most races, and I use all mounts, except for jackal as for me its the least useful.  Never really seen anyone win a race using jackal over raptor.  Dont know what situations require "high evade" while mounting especially with skyscale and combat mount mastery.  SO no idea other than portals in PoF where you're using it?  Raptor can leap away from just about anything which in my opinion makes it equivalent to jackal. Raptor is also faster.

 

Only race ive seen it used is the one thats specifically made for it in the mad king raceway where you have to blink through the pumpkin bombs.

[Sobx.1758]

30 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

I LEFT THE SUGGESTIONS OPEN ENDED.  I suggested a buff which is what you are harping on.  BUt it could be anything to make jackal more appealing to use.  Again you don't read.  this is why i agreed with randulf.  SOMETHING to make it more appealing then where it currently is.  I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT SOMETHING WOULD BE.  BUt something to make it better would be nice.

I know you left it open ended. I already commented on it and you avoided addressing anything about it. Here's the fragment of that post related to your currently repeated "I left the suggestions open ended":

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You clearly have trouble with outlining a problem with this in the first place, but even with that your proposed solution(??) which is literally nothing other than repeating "buff it in any way, not sure how, but buff!" isn't solving anything here, it's simply potentially perpetuating the very same ""problem"" you're mentioning in this thread.

You're "LEAVING IT OPEN ENDED" because you're unable to point out an actual problem here and don't have any solution to it. Your ""solution"" -even if it was needed- just perpetuates the same "problem" and leads to you swapping claims about "which mount needs to be buffed this time" in the future. You "LEAVING IT OPEN ENDED" doesn't make it in any way better, it means you don't know what you want and yet you keep covering your ears whenever people disagree with your vague and mostly baseless "BUFF IT" request.
But here's a counterproposal: mounts are already strong enough, stop buffing them.

 

30 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

BUt it could be anything to make jackal more appealing to use

Like what?

30 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

this is why i agreed with randulf. 

You literally suggested it won't be enough in this post:

49 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

adding portals is enough says who? youre just making assumptions

If that's not what it was then I have no idea what other meaning that post was supposed to have. Maybe you already forgot about it though.

 

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24 minutes ago, Batel.9206 said:

No, I think jackal is fine as it is. Its sharp turns and evades are quite useful; I find myself defaulting to it often.

True, same.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Sobx.1758

[Ashen.2907]

The Jackal is my favorite mount. I can do things on it that cant be done on a Raptor. If I am not in WvW, or doing content where vertical map design mandates a flying or jumping mount, I use my Jackal exclusively.

[Batel.9206]

13 minutes ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

well I win most races, and I use all mounts, except for jackal as for me its the least useful.  Never really seen anyone win a race using jackal over raptor.  Dont know what situations require "high evade" while mounting especially with skyscale and combat mount mastery.  SO no idea other than portals in PoF where you're using it?  Raptor can leap away from just about anything which in my opinion makes it equivalent to jackal. Raptor is also faster.

 

Only race ive seen it used is the one thats specifically made for it in the mad king raceway where you have to blink through the pumpkin bombs.

I've seen quite a few people win the Wintersday race with a jackal (or at least come out far ahead of those on raptors) - I've been one of those people myself a few times.

PoF and HoT maps are good places to use it, with the high concentration of enemies.

Plus I just like the aesthetic. I'm sure many others do, too.

[Donari.5237]

2 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

well I win most races, and I use all mounts, except for jackal as for me its the least useful.  Never really seen anyone win a race using jackal over raptor. 

If you use a mix of mounts for a race, then jackal definitely has its uses.  For instance, in the Wintersday race going on right now, there are some uphill spots and janky alleys at the start that the jackal is good for.  Beetle to the first uphill, jackal blink up the slope and around the alley to the left, back to beetle for the rest of it.  In the pavilion, the jackal is superb for getting through the lava pits and the bandits and even the white mantle.

I also like using jackal engage when I see others using raptor engage.  They gather up the mobs, a split second later I land and give barrier to everyone around so we all can just murder the mobs before they get much damage in on us.  The jackal also feels better to run around on, it's more nimble and responsive than the other mounts.  And it's handy for putting barrier on escort npcs in escorts where the npc dying fails the event.

As others have requested, it would help for you to give an idea of what you think would make jackal better.  An open ended request is so broad the devs will have no idea what to do with it, and won't have anything to springboard off for inspiration.

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

2 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said:

I know you left it open ended. I already commented on it and you avoided addressing anything about it. Here's the fragment of that post related to your currently repeated "I left the suggestions open ended":

You're "LEAVING IT OPEN ENDED" because you're unable to point out an actual problem here and don't have any solution to it. Your ""solution"" -even if it was needed- just perpetuates the same "problem" and leads to you swapping claims about "which mount needs to be buffed this time" in the future. You "LEAVING IT OPEN ENDED" doesn't make it in any way better, it means you don't know what you want and yet you keep covering your ears whenever people disagree with your vague and mostly baseless "BUFF IT" request.
But here's a counterproposal: mounts are already strong enough, stop buffing them.

 

Like what?

You literally suggested it won't be enough in this post:

If that's not what it was then I have no idea what other meaning that post was supposed to have. Maybe you already forgot about it though.

 

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True, same.

good u think its fine as usual default response from you on all issues, whatever = the least amount of work for the devs or no change. You don't even need to address my posts honestly because I know this is your opinion on all matters as you have made plainly clear in just about every thread. Game is fine as it is.  You should just put that as your signature, it would avoid having to debate.  I dont see how this opinion adds anything to the game or helps the devs, but have at it.

and from my observation very few people use jackal, they should add more things to make it MORE appealing to use that it currently is.  Endless posts from others, pointing out that they use it are irrelevant to what im saying.  Watch I can do it too.  I use it when i want to show off my mounts.  See i use jackal too.  Just not for anything practical in the game,

unless you want to nitpick and then I would say sure, when im going through portals in PoF and I absolutely have to use it.   My point still stands the things is barely useful to MANY people and needs a buff of some kind.  Whether that be a new skill, a buff to existing skills or added utility in some way.

 

I mean what is your point that I have no point? THAT I DONT OBSERVE This? that IM MAKING IT UP? LOL i mean whats your point?

WHY ELSE WOULD I MAKE THIS THREAD IF THIS WASNT MY EXPERIENCE/OBSERVATION.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Jumpin Lumpix.6108

[Jumpin Lumpix.6108]

THIS Is the same  people who chime into every one of my threads and say the game is fine as is NO MATTER what the issue/observation/experience is and no matter what evidence i present it always devolves into microanylysis of my speech to invalidate my point to make it seem like there isnt a problem or that i have no point.  Its ridiculous lol.  Amazing how toxic conversing in here is it was honestly a lot better before Gaile Grey left.

 

Here's the disconnect of these forums, when I go in my guild and ask about Jackal everyone says "yah it could use a buff, i dont use it much" (these are almost all GW2 and GW1 veterans with 10k+ hours of playtime) When i go to 12 maps in map chat and ask does jackal need a buff. I get either "probably" or "yes" or "who uses that" and about one person who says "i like my jackal i use it, but it would be cool if it was faster or did something more/had more uses" 

 

and yet according to this forum its fine has 0 problems and is perfect lol.

 

SO i guess if the devs want to continue to listen to the same people who say everything is fine then ok.  Pretty funny cuz ive been playing guild wars as a franchise most likely way longer than them and probably have more hours put into the game (10k hours+ playing guild wars 2 since launch, also playing guild wars 1 at launch in 2004 solid to present if you add up both games I probably have 20k+ hours on both games when combined, also have GWAMM title and legend spvp titles), but hey what would i know.

 

Apparently i cant even make a simple observation reliably that the jackal mount is not used very often without a huge debate lol.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Jumpin Lumpix.6108

[vares.8457]

The jackal is fine as it is, no need to change anything. I use it quite often and I see it used by others frequently. 

[Ashen.2907]

7 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

Just because people "use" it doesnt mean its good

A pretty solid description of the Raptor. 

The fact that people use an inferior option does not mean that the superior option, Jackal, needs a buff.

[Linken.6345]

1 hour ago, vares.8457 said:

The jackal is fine as it is, no need to change anything. I use it quite often and I see it used by others frequently. 

Glad that someone below 10k posts chimed in so that cant be blamed as the reason you hold this oppinion.

[Biziut.3594]

Don't care enough to observe what mounts peoples are using, but imo any observarions and assumptions are not really valid, since as someone already said, not everyone have access to PoF and raptor might be for them the only option. So assuming anything like that without having any actual, reliable data is pretty pointless.

For me personaly, before era of skyscale I've been using Jackal pretty often. It's great for treversing terrain that have a lot of pits and holes, it's also great to navigate narrow spaces with a lot of turns, but the best spot where Jackal shines imo is when you have to get up some hilled terrain. Raptor jump won't let you climb anything, and that ability of Jackal helped me during many races or when just treversing hard to navigate terrain with a lot of obstacles. With one of the bond skill You can even "fly" with Jackal for a linited time, which is a great adventage over Raptor too. Not to mention that You can avoid fall damage with it completly.

If anything I would say Raptor is inferior now, as there is no thing Raptor does better than both, his upgraded version named Roller Beetle, and Jackal. Also Raptor's only adventage over Jackal is being just slightly faster, which I can't even notice without perfect racing conditions that let this single adventage to shine, but still, now everything falls short before Skyscale (maybe with the exception of the beetle and sometimes griffon). As much as I love using other mounts, I acknowledged that during normal gameplay I am just using Skyscale and Beetle mostly without thinking about it. I use other mounts only for some races and mostly when I just think, "oh I have this nice skin for this mount, let's ride it a little for fun". 

To summarise, no I don't think Jackal needs any buff. I would rather see more maps made with the specific mount in mind, like new SotO maps are made with Skyscale and Griffon in mind. For example some water themed map for Skimmer, or some magical land with the main theme being portals for Jackal, or some map that would finally encourage us to use Springer instead of Skyscale. (But since rabbit is so inferior to dragon, I personally can't think of any idea).

Edited December 20, 2023 by Biziut.3594
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[Sobx.1758]

8 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

I dont see how this opinion adds anything to the game or helps the devs

I don't see how an opionion about not wanting mounts to be constantly buffed when they're already strong enough somehow less valuable than what you're writing here (which, again, is nothing more than "just buff it, I don't care how, I don't know how but buff buff buff!").

8 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

and from my observation very few people use jackal

From your observation without any context about why anyone uses what mount at any given time, as mentioned by multiple users above. Meanwhile people literally tell you they're using jackal and they see other players using it but you refuse to understand that, just so you can default into repeating whatever you were saying from the start "because your observation sure means it's not used despite people telling you they're using it".

8 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

Endless posts from others, pointing out that they use it are irrelevant to what im saying. 

It absolutely is relevant because you're trying to claim people aren't using it. I'm not sure how it could be more relevant here.

8 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

Just not for anything practical in the game

Looks like a you problem, not a mount problem. If you think it has no practical uses (despite people listing you its practical uses and you... apparently agreeing with them on the previous page, but still saying it's not practical now?) then you're free to use whatever you think is more practical. Your choice.

8 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

My point still stands the things is barely useful to MANY people and needs a buff of some kind.

My point still stand that it's useful, MANY people keep using jackal and it doesn't need any buff.

8 hours ago, Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

I mean what is your point that I have no point? THAT I DONT OBSERVE This? that IM MAKING IT UP? LOL i mean whats your point?

WHY ELSE WOULD I MAKE THIS THREAD IF THIS WASNT MY EXPERIENCE/OBSERVATION.

My point is what I already wrote multiple times. For one, here it is, I even stripped away that first sentence that was so distracting for you and yet you still refused to address anything about it:

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Even if "90% of all players chose raptor over jackal to get around", it's still aboslutely fine (because why wouldn't it be?). If you give the jackal substantial buffs to the point of those people actually caring about them enough to change their habit, they'll just start always using jackal over raptor. What then? Buff raptor because people use jackal over it? 

Which part of this is still somehow unclear for you?

Edited December 20, 2023 by Sobx.1758

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