cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Lol , I never comment on the forums but this is absolutely funny to me. Eles are not unkillable, even in cele just because you don't understand class match ups. Learn to fight instead on dying once and crying in the forums because you can't learn to dodge or chain cc . Eles die to heavy condi build examples would be condi mirage pumping confusion or harbinger doing harbinger things, you can also chain cc when they switch attunements. They also lack burst healing , so a hard hitting burst is really hard to bounce back as long as you can chase . Litterally the only unfightable ele build is signet cata and thats hard countered by harbinger 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus.2184 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 18 minutes ago, cwb.8275 said: ... or chain cc . Your unintended argument is that Eles are fine you just need to bring a specialised build. There are few builds in the game whose roaming builds include enough CC to chain it. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Well first off, you should automatically have more then one build if your a roamer on a class. Every class outside of rev can in fact chain cc, its litterally two clicks to change a skill on your utility bar. Ele is perfectly fine actually. If anything its been nerfed several patches. Hell they forced litterally the only roaming power build ele has to only be played on weaver. Again, skill issue. Learn class matchups, practice against eles, ask eles questions. Ele outside of cata has kitten uptime of stab with really punishing cds on stunbreaks. Sure tempest has stab on overloads but you kite them until they switch attunements. Almost any build running hydromancy will give a hard time regardless of the ele build. Wild that im giving you advice on the class with the lowest hp pool. Even in full cele a ele is one shottable. Imagine this , running core glass ele , full zerk. How many people do you think died to that build because they don't understand how to dodge or counter burst. Every roaming build has some form of cc, not mine or any other eles or even anets fault yall can't learn classes. I urge you to roam on ele, not catalyst, im talking glass weaver or cele tempest. Let me know how you do then we can have a conversation about ele being broken until then keep feeding me bags. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus.2184 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, cwb.8275 said: ...its litterally two clicks to change a skill on your utility bar That's only okay if the issue has to do the same. 4 minutes ago, cwb.8275 said: If anything its been nerfed several patches. This is a nothing statement it has no meaning. If 100 is the intended and one is on 200 and it's only nerfed by 25 for each patch to avoid accidentally going too far, then the "nerf over several patches" would be justified. Where did Eles start when they got these nerfs? I remember Eles getting buffed in a patch that made them virtually indestructible. 7 minutes ago, cwb.8275 said: Almost any build running hydromancy will give a hard time regardless of the ele build. Are you assuming that people play the worst option for no reason other than to be able to use it as a strawman argument? Superior Sigil of Hyfromancy is a support sigil.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Do you not think people change there utilities depending on what they fight? Thats crazy kek. Let's see ele scepter got buffed, which was needed, and will admit it was over performing but unkillable? No. Only cata was a issue. Dragons tooth has had its damage gutted to such an extent that the skill isn't even worth dropping, people cried because they couldn't dodge the most animated telling skill with the same cast time and drop time, water trident got gutted by 7k damage , hurl got gutted about 25% of its damage, shatterstone had a cd increase , 100% thats a nerf and it happened over several patches because people kept dying to glasscanons hydromancy is definitely not a support sigil wtf lmaooooo, litterally common to run hydro thief roaming builds. Idk learn the game. Don't know what else to tell you. You can't win every single match up with the same builds and the same stats or the same weapons and skills. Not my fault or anyone else that you are unwilling to tweak your builds depending on the situation. I have 8 builds on my ele plus 4 other builds I can use on another ele. besides playing what I feel like playing I switch to what's needed to fight what im fighting. I dont just go hey let me fight this lb ranger without a reflect or hey im fight this condi mirage on power tempest and cry cause I lost to a class the counters me . Hell even in pve you should have more then one build and be willing to change skills depending on the situation, it just sounds like you want to win every fight with the same build , either way keep crying in the forums, im sure ele will catch another nerf cause of the harb I killed the other day because he didn't even try to dodge 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 You chill them and watch them suffer and die. Condi destroy ele at all points of the game an only the support builds have enofe clears to keep up with most condi classes builds out put. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 This game was better during the glass Canon era, way more skill based. Now you can face tank power damage and not even dodge then cry in the forums cause the mean ele bullied you in your tier 3 camp , anyways, im done replying this is clearly just another thread from people who don't understand combat. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 This omg this. Imagine not knowing chilled or confusion punish ele 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, cwb.8275 said: Lol , I never comment on the forums but this is absolutely funny to me. Eles are not unkillable, even in cele just because you don't understand class match ups. Learn to fight instead on dying once and crying in the forums because you can't learn to dodge or chain cc . Eles die to heavy condi build examples would be condi mirage pumping confusion or harbinger doing harbinger things, you can also chain cc when they switch attunements. They also lack burst healing , so a hard hitting burst is really hard to bounce back as long as you can chase . Litterally the only unfightable ele build is signet cata and thats hard countered by harbinger So the counter to ele is harb who also happens to be the counter to everyone else too? 🙃 Maybe you're confused. We all know harb is busted. That doesn't mean cele ele builds aren't busted too. Edited January 8 by Kuya.6495 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Kuya.6495 said: So the counter to ele is harb who also happens to be the counter to everyone else too? 🙃 Maybe you're confused. We all know harb is busted. That doesn't mean cele ele builds aren't busted either. Kitten core cele Ele killing everyone. Roll teef and that's about it. Ele doesn't have tools to fight against any type of teef. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said: Kitten core cele Ele killing everyone. Roll teef and that's about it. Ele doesn't have tools to fight against any type of teef. How does a cele signet cata lose to a thief? 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I gave multiple counters, sad you didn't understand that. Anyways cele ele is just as broken as any other cele build, but its still quite one shottable. SlB ,D/p dd can one shot it, harb, both cmes and pmes counter it, nade eengi, de, spb struggles vs power ele but can counter cele ele. If your jot on those builds or cant switch to them then that's on you if you die, you can usually pick your 1v1s roaming . Don't engage if you don't know how to fight it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I mean a good thief cant the beaten in a 1v1 on any build , i mean just because you roll a counter doesn't mean your foing to beat them either. This is a skill based game outside of amet doing everything in their power to make it not a skill based game. I miss core ele, that was such a fun build to rank and roam on, fucjing anet nerfed water trident to such a degree that the skill is more useless then pre scepter buffs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Cleansing wave, water on evasive arcana, lesser cleansing fire, smothering auras. If condi counters ele, sure it counters a lot more the other professions. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 xd your for real? Almost any condi build right now is oppressive. Sure pre soto condi didnt counter cele ele, but they nerfed anti toxin and all of eles condi cleanse is small, you one condi burst say from a mesmer or harb and ele can't even play the game . 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazieL.5684 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 hours ago, CutesySylveon.8290 said: I figured you were just being the classic 'My class bad' player before, but now it's pretty obvious. It's not a stun break, but you conveniently left out that it's instant cast, meaning it can be used while stuck by most CC and also mid cast of other skills. If you're having trouble as a Cele Ele, then the skill issue is with you. please take the instant cast away and make it a stun break, thanks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 50 minutes ago, Kuya.6495 said: How does a cele signet cata lose to a thief? Better question: how bad teef is to lose against any sort of Ele? Still find it fascinating that people think that signet cata is better than hammer cata. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddie.5861 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, RazieL.5684 said: mesmer - blink - 1200 range stun break thief - shadowstep - 1200 range 2 way 2x stun break engineer - shift signet - 1200 range stun break guardian - judges intervention - 1200 range targeted stun break necro - flesh wurm - 1200 range stun break revenant - phase traversal - 1200 range, targeted, not a stun break BUT gives unblockable, gives quickness and has 5 seconds cd.... ranger - unnatural traversal - 900 range, targeted, not a stun break BUT gets half cd if it hits someone gives 5 stacks of might, regen and vulnerability on the target elementalist - lightning flash - 900 range, not a stun break... "but" does 80 damage... OMG BROKEN NERF IT RIGHT NOW HOW THE HELL IS THIS EVEN ALLOWED??? i really never play ele but when i do! i slap my cele gear on with arcane? trait where flipping ur attunements gives HP and i just go like weeee 1111111111111 switch and my HP never goes down. oh ye i might take wrong traits but i dont care i still wreck people on my ele because i dunno people just die after a few mins while i didnt even take a hit. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazieL.5684 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 49 minutes ago, Lincolnbeard.1735 said: Cleansing wave, water on evasive arcana, lesser cleansing fire, smothering auras. If condi counters ele, sure it counters a lot more the other professions. sooo lock yourself in fire/arcane with dagger offhand... and clear a couple of condis every 30-40 seconds? 😄 meanwhile busted condi builds bloat you with 6+ condis with a single button... i'm not saying ele is super bad at condi cleanse but your argument was horrible... like "lesser cleansing fire" ? seriously? 40 sec cd in wvw 60 in spvp 😄 you MUST be joking... smothering auras is the only reliable cleanse you listed but for example for fresh air weaver what now? arcane or fire? cuz you can't switch air unless you're playing core ele 😄 no wonder you guys struggle when you make builds like these... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazieL.5684 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 16 minutes ago, reddie.5861 said: i really never play ele but when i do! i slap my cele gear on with arcane? trait where flipping ur attunements gives HP and i just go like weeee 1111111111111 switch and my HP never goes down. oh ye i might take wrong traits but i dont care i still wreck people on my ele because i dunno people just die after a few mins while i didnt even take a hit. that trait that heals for 279 in full minstrel x3 = 837 if you spam your attunements and do nothing else... yeah that will totally outheal the 15k whirling wrath which you didn't dodge because you spammed 1111111... please bring more hyperbole cuz these arguments are too based in reality... /s Edited January 8 by RazieL.5684 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I'm still crying over the water trident nerf , like why why would you nerf that skill so hard that fa tempest and fa core became meme builds even fa cata went down in usage. Ele doesn't have any other power roaming build other then fa weaver atm and that makes me sad. Was it cause I killed that dev all night in multiple 10v1s in FULL zerk fa core ele and sieged him. Im sorry its not my fault yall can't zerg down singles correctly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus.2184 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 2 hours ago, cwb.8275 said: This game was better during the glass Canon era, way more skill based. Now you can face tank power damage and not even dodge then cry in the forums cause the mean ele bullied you in your tier 3 camp , anyways, im done replying this is clearly just another thread from people who don't understand combat. You have no consistency in your argumentation. Another one of your posts stated that Ele was a glass cannon and in this post, it can face tank? Only one of those statements can be true, which one is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I'll entertain ya one more time then im go hop on my cele ele build and farm some more tears. I mean majority of the playerbase in this game are just bad, which is fine its a pretty casual game that can be picked up and dropped and not miss a beat. I can 100% facetank on glass tempest against quite a few players thats cause they don't know how to land damage or bait cds. But in reference to what you are talking about , I said you can face tank power damage, specifically on all these bunker builds that now make up roaming and then when those players do finally die because they are bad at the game they go on the forums amd cry ele is busted. Did not say ele specifically could face tank. no offense but you do know The days of unkillable eles died when they nerfed stoneheart. Which was needed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Anet needs to add a new attunement for ele and call it the edit button. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb.8275 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Or they could just delete wvw finally and free us of our internal suffering of a good game going to trash xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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