What happened to Thief's "Dual Wield" mechanic?

[Stand The Wall.6987]

hmm this is an interesting point. maybe anet can change the weapon buff traits to add some new functionality to the 3rd skill? or maybe on some other trait since theyre both op already.

[Phoenixtwolf.9213]

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@"Phoenixtwolf.9213" said:it depended on how you look at the class to really define what it is.Thief is the Asians/rouge/marshal art fighter that you see on most games

Um, no. Thief is a profession doing things unseen, thus shadow step, stealth, and steal. Nothing about the Thief suggests that it is a martial artist or a fighter class. None.

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.Trickery is about creating diversion.

None of these traits suggests that the Thief will go face to face with their target and duke it out like an agility Warrior. Daredevil is the martial art profession, not the Thief. This is why the Daredevil is not a Thief and should not have been a Thief Elite Spec. The major difference is that Thief uses Acrobatics for escape, not for fighting. The Thief was never a brawler, rogue, vagabond, thug, or street fighter. Thief steals and assassinates (aka steals life), that's it, all things are done in the shadows through stealth and shadowstep.

Unfortunately, the concept of the Thief is now irreparably broken and lost.

This is straight from the gw2 website talking about the Thief

Thief

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which makes them very hard to hit.

If you knew anything about Ninjutsu you would know that one of the ideas is fight with what you have and what you can find and get, to utilize the environment around you and use what is there (this coincides with the idea of the steal command) "Experts at stealth and surprise" this also is part of the Ninjutsu training. And then you have this . "Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style" again not only Ninjutsu but any type of marshal art uses that.

And here is the list you gave

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.

most defiantly NinjutsuCritical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.

most if not all of marshal art fighting stilesAcrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.Again Marshal artShadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.Ninjutsu at its coreTrickery is about creating diversion.marshal arts (especially Ninjutsu )

Yes Thief is very much the idea of a marshal art Ninjutsu type fighting (just named Thief because of the steal skill on the game)

[InsaneQR.7412]

Calm your tits and wait for the next E-Spec. It may tie more into dualwield.

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:it depended on how you look at the class to really define what it is.Thief is the Asians/rouge/marshal art fighter that you see on most games

Um, no. Thief is a profession doing things unseen, thus shadow step, stealth, and steal. Nothing about the Thief suggests that it is a martial artist or a fighter class. None.

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.Trickery is about creating diversion.

None of these traits suggests that the Thief will go face to face with their target and duke it out like an agility Warrior. Daredevil is the martial art profession, not the Thief. This is why the Daredevil is not a Thief and should not have been a Thief Elite Spec. The major difference is that Thief uses Acrobatics for escape, not for fighting. The Thief was never a brawler, rogue, vagabond, thug, or street fighter. Thief steals and assassinates (aka steals life), that's it, all things are done in the shadows through stealth and shadowstep.

Unfortunately, the concept of the Thief is now irreparably broken and lost.

This is straight from the gw2 website talking about the Thief

Thief

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which makes them very hard to hit.

If you knew anything about Ninjutsu you would know that one of the ideas is fight with what you have and what you can find and get, to utilize the environment around you and use what is there (this coincides with the idea of the steal command)

"Experts at stealth and surprise"

this also is part of the Ninjutsu training. And then you have this .

"Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style"

again not only Ninjutsu but any type of marshal art uses that.

And here is the list you gave

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.

most defiantly Ninjutsu

Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.

most if not all of marshal art fighting stiles

Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.

Again Marshal art

Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.

Ninjutsu at its core

Trickery is about creating diversion.

marshal arts (especially Ninjutsu )

Yes Thief is very much the idea of a marshal art Ninjutsu type fighting (just named Thief because of the steal skill on the game)

Ninjutsu is not a martial art. Taijutsu is the martial art that "ninja" uses. Ninjutsu is more of a stragem than a martial art.

[Phoenixtwolf.9213]

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:it depended on how you look at the class to really define what it is.Thief is the Asians/rouge/marshal art fighter that you see on most games

Um, no. Thief is a profession doing things unseen, thus shadow step, stealth, and steal. Nothing about the Thief suggests that it is a martial artist or a fighter class. None.

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.Trickery is about creating diversion.

None of these traits suggests that the Thief will go face to face with their target and duke it out like an agility Warrior. Daredevil is the martial art profession, not the Thief. This is why the Daredevil is not a Thief and should not have been a Thief Elite Spec. The major difference is that Thief uses Acrobatics for escape, not for fighting. The Thief was never a brawler, rogue, vagabond, thug, or street fighter. Thief steals and assassinates (aka steals life), that's it, all things are done in the shadows through stealth and shadowstep.

Unfortunately, the concept of the Thief is now irreparably broken and lost.

This is straight from the gw2 website talking about the Thief

Thief

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which makes them very hard to hit.

If you knew anything about Ninjutsu you would know that one of the ideas is fight with what you have and what you can find and get, to utilize the environment around you and use what is there (this coincides with the idea of the steal command)

"Experts at stealth and surprise"

this also is part of the Ninjutsu training. And then you have this .

"Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style"

again not only Ninjutsu but any type of marshal art uses that.

And here is the list you gave

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.

most defiantly Ninjutsu

Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.

most if not all of marshal art fighting stiles

Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.

Again Marshal art

Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.

Ninjutsu at its core

Trickery is about creating diversion.

marshal arts (especially Ninjutsu )

Yes Thief is very much the idea of a marshal art Ninjutsu type fighting (just named Thief because of the steal skill on the game)

Ninjutsu is not a martial art. Taijutsu is the martial art that "ninja" uses. Ninjutsu is more of a stragem than a martial art.

True it is not a solo martial art like karate or jujutsu but it does use martial arts.

And why you pointing that out I don't understand because I did distinguish a difference between martial arts and Ninjutsu (some of which I only put as Ninjutsu).

But the main idea I was pointing out is that thief and daredevil are very similar to the Ninjutsu and many marshal art fighting stiles.Now the Deadeye using the rifle is more of a modern assassin stile, and because we do have rifles in this game it is a logical weapon for an assassin class, which is what the thief is.

[Yannir.4132]

@melandru.3876 said:

if i remember correct anet said they would never put new weapons in the game (people were asking for a two handed axe if i remember ) so fist weapons is no optiona club and a mace is the same weapon i believe, and mace would fit more the spec of sapper/saboteur a spec about dismanteling/disrupting or just cc in generallike how world of warcraft rogues used to play :p

That statement is like 5 years old. You know what else they said they'd never do? Mounts.

[Phoenixtwolf.9213]

@Yannir.4132 said:

@melandru.3876 said:

if i remember correct anet said they would never put new weapons in the game (people were asking for a two handed axe if i remember ) so fist weapons is no optiona club and a mace is the same weapon i believe, and mace would fit more the spec of sapper/saboteur a spec about dismanteling/disrupting or just cc in generallike how world of warcraft rogues used to play :p

That statement is like 5 years old. You know what else they said they'd never do? Mounts.

LOL yea exactly and they even said no trinity (well I guess you could say in a way they kept that promise, cuz its more then a trinity lol)

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:it depended on how you look at the class to really define what it is.Thief is the Asians/rouge/marshal art fighter that you see on most games

Um, no. Thief is a profession doing things unseen, thus shadow step, stealth, and steal. Nothing about the Thief suggests that it is a martial artist or a fighter class. None.

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.Trickery is about creating diversion.

None of these traits suggests that the Thief will go face to face with their target and duke it out like an agility Warrior. Daredevil is the martial art profession, not the Thief. This is why the Daredevil is not a Thief and should not have been a Thief Elite Spec. The major difference is that Thief uses Acrobatics for escape, not for fighting. The Thief was never a brawler, rogue, vagabond, thug, or street fighter. Thief steals and assassinates (aka steals life), that's it, all things are done in the shadows through stealth and shadowstep.

Unfortunately, the concept of the Thief is now irreparably broken and lost.

This is straight from the gw2 website talking about the Thief

Thief

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which makes them very hard to hit.

If you knew anything about Ninjutsu you would know that one of the ideas is fight with what you have and what you can find and get, to utilize the environment around you and use what is there (this coincides with the idea of the steal command)

"Experts at stealth and surprise"

this also is part of the Ninjutsu training. And then you have this .

"Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style"

again not only Ninjutsu but any type of marshal art uses that.

And here is the list you gave

Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.

most defiantly Ninjutsu

Critical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.

most if not all of marshal art fighting stiles

Acrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.

Again Marshal art

Shadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.

Ninjutsu at its core

Trickery is about creating diversion.

marshal arts (especially Ninjutsu )

Yes Thief is very much the idea of a marshal art Ninjutsu type fighting (just named Thief because of the steal skill on the game)

Ninjutsu is not a martial art. Taijutsu is the martial art that "ninja" uses. Ninjutsu is more of a stragem than a martial art.

True it is not a solo martial art like karate or jujutsu but it does use martial arts.

And why you pointing that out I don't understand because I did distinguish a difference between martial arts and Ninjutsu (some of which I only put as Ninjutsu).

You said; "Thief is very much the idea of a marshal art Ninjutsu type fighting" which is not true at all.

The only similarity of Ninjutsu and and the Thief is the Trickery traitline. If you look in the Thief's trait line, there is no martial arts in there that is similar to Taijutsu or any other form of martial arts.

But the main idea I was pointing out is that thief and daredevil are very similar to the Ninjutsu and many marshal art fighting stiles.

Deadly Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Shadow Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Critical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

These 5 traits are what make the Thief.

Daredevil, on the other hand, is indeed a martial art and it's fairly obvious since the whole traitline is focused on combat.

However, Daredevil has nothing in common with Ninjutsu, otherwise the Monkey King is a ninja.

Now the Deadeye using the rifle is more of a modern assassin stile, and because we do have rifles in this game it is a logical weapon for an assassin class, which is what the thief is.

It is also logical for an Assassin style to use what the Thief already have, daggers. Malicious Backstab is more Assassin style than Death's Judgment.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

Every trait pic shows a ninja, the descriptions said all describe ninja type combat. Ninjitsu is the militant espionage side of ninjas and taijutsu being the hand to hand combat side of ninja.thiefs utility skills like caltrops, smoke screens,trip wires etc are definitely ninjitsu inspired.the class uses daggers,swords and a staff.The class is definitely a mix of rogue,ninja and sniper which all fall under an assassin theme and is prob designed to be bit of all three.

[Phoenixtwolf.9213]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Every trait pic shows a ninja, the descriptions said all describe ninja type combat. Ninjitsu is the militant espionage side of ninjas and taijutsu being the hand to hand combat side of ninja.thiefs utility skills like caltrops, smoke screens,trip wires etc are definitely ninjitsu inspired.the class uses daggers,swords and a staff.The class is definitely a mix of rogue,ninja and sniper which all fall under an assassin theme and is prob designed to be bit of all three.

Exactly what I been trying to say.And the staff is a weapon used in Ninjutsu (thing is about Ninjutsu is it has servile fighting techniques in it)

and as for what > @Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

Deadly Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Shadow Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Critical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

yes everyone of them used by NinjutsuAnd that silly statement aboutCritical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

believe it or not you can have more then one reason to use all of those skill like thoseHeck Trickery is used not only like what was said: In street magic but also in football, basketball, and many more things you use trickeryNow I know there are some skills in this class which I not doubt would be listed int time so ill say it now yes mug will not heal you in rl (I guess you could say unless you mug some meds off some one lol) and the Signet of Malice don't think that really exist lol after all it is A GAME

Just because you use Acrobatics or Critical strike or Trikcery does not make you a ninja (VERY TRUE) but that does not mean that a ninja does not use themthat comparison was not only childish it was stupid.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

Trickery trait line pic is clearly a black ninja, the line increases utility though trickery techniques, not specifically ninja but is definitely in relation to one,same as deadly arts. Cs is a pic of white ninja and line increase strikes dps making them deadlier, not specific to ninja but in relation etc..the only aspect of thief that is not related or indicative of a ninja type assassin is the use of guns and pistols,literally all utilities core or otherwise are common ninjitsu tactics whether true to history or film fiction.

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

Deadly Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Shadow Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Critical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

yes everyone of them used by NinjutsuAnd that silly statement aboutCritical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

believe it or not you can have more then one reason to use all of those skill like thoseHeck Trickery is used not only like what was said: In street magic but also in football, basketball, and many more things you use trickeryNow I know there are some skills in this class which I not doubt would be listed int time so ill say it now yes mug will not heal you in rl (I guess you could say unless you mug some meds off some one lol) and the Signet of Malice don't think that really exist lol after all it is A GAME

Just because you use Acrobatics or Critical strike or Trikcery does not make you a ninja (VERY TRUE) but that does not mean that a ninja does not use themthat comparison was not only childish it was stupid.

You missed the point. I'm debunking your argument that they are martial arts. They are not.

Just because there are similarities, in example stealth, it doesn't necessarily makes them ninjas or practicing Ninjutsu. A street kid who is an expert in cut-purse tactic is a Thief, but not a Ninja. Just because the kid is a Thief, it doesn't makes the kid a martial artist.

Your false logic is this;Thief uses stealth.Ninja uses stealth.Therefore, Thief is a ninja.

So when you take that logic and apply it to the following, you'll end up with these;Mesmer uses stealth.Ninja uses stealth.Therefore, Mesmer is a ninja

Engineer uses stealth.Ninja uses stealth.Therefore, Engineer is a ninja.

Obviously, that logic fails under scrutiny.

It seems to me that you're are having trouble following the logic. So, let me clarify my position.

What I'm telling is this;Thief uses stealth, critical strike, acrobatics, and trickery.Ninja uses stealth, critical strike, acrobatics, and trickery.However, it doesn't necessarily make the Thief a ninja.

Another false logic you're using is the following;Martial artists uses staff in combat.Thief uses staff in combat.Therefore, Thief is a martial artist.

Why is this not true? That is because Daredevil is the martial artist, not the Thief. Thief has no access to the staff.

So if you would argue that the Daredevil is a ninja, I have no objection since Donatello uses a staff and he's a ninja. However, you have to also accept that the Monkey King is a ninja, even if it's not true.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

Deadly Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Shadow Arts is not a martial art. The name already explicitly says what kind of art it is.Critical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

yes everyone of them used by NinjutsuAnd that silly statement aboutCritical Strike is not a martial art. If so, then the Pitcher of a baseball team is a martial artist.Acrobatics is no a martial art. If so, then the gymnasts are martial artists.Trickery is not a martial art. If so, street magic performers are martial artists.

believe it or not you can have more then one reason to use all of those skill like thoseHeck Trickery is used not only like what was said: In street magic but also in football, basketball, and many more things you use trickeryNow I know there are some skills in this class which I not doubt would be listed int time so ill say it now yes mug will not heal you in rl (I guess you could say unless you mug some meds off some one lol) and the Signet of Malice don't think that really exist lol after all it is A GAME

Just because you use Acrobatics or Critical strike or Trikcery does not make you a ninja (VERY TRUE) but that does not mean that a ninja does not use themthat comparison was not only childish it was stupid.

You missed the point. I'm debunking your argument that they are martial arts. They are not.

Just because there are similarities, in example stealth, it doesn't necessarily makes them ninjas or practicing Ninjutsu. A street kid who is an expert in cut-purse tactic is a Thief, but not a Ninja. Just because the kid is a Thief, it doesn't makes the kid a martial artist.

Your false logic is this;

Thief uses stealth.

Ninja uses stealth.

Therefore, Thief is a ninja.

So when you take that logic and apply it to the following, you'll end up with these;

Mesmer uses stealth.

Ninja uses stealth.

Therefore, Mesmer is a ninja

Engineer uses stealth.

Ninja uses stealth.

Therefore, Engineer is a ninja.

Obviously, that logic fails under scrutiny.

It seems to me that you're are having trouble following the logic. So, let me clarify my position.

What I'm telling is this;

Thief uses stealth, critical strike, acrobatics, and trickery.

Ninja uses stealth, critical strike, acrobatics, and trickery.

However, it doesn't necessarily make the Thief a ninja.

Another false logic you're using is the following;

Martial artists uses staff in combat.

Thief uses staff in combat.

Therefore, Thief is a martial artist.

Why is this not true? That is because Daredevil is the martial artist, not the Thief. Thief has no access to the staff.

So if you would argue that the Daredevil is a ninja, I have no objection since Donatello uses a staff and he's a ninja. However, you have to also accept that the Monkey King is a ninja, even if it's not true.

Yeah lol u debunked acrobatics can be used for other things other than martial arts just like trickery could be a illusionist theme or swords can be used by a ninja,samurai or knight. The fact is every traitline and description that's been said can apply to a ninja and judging by arenanet pictures for its traits and what the thief's utility skills are it's pretty clear to see what theme arenanet was going for as much as it seems u dont want it to be lol

[Phoenixtwolf.9213]

@"Sir Vincent III.1286" said:Your false logic is this;Thief uses stealth.Ninja uses stealth.Therefore, Thief is a ninja.

So when you take that logic and apply it to the following, you'll end up with these;Mesmer uses stealth.Ninja uses stealth.Therefore, Mesmer is a ninja

Engineer uses stealth.Ninja uses stealth.Therefore, Engineer is a ninja.

What kind of idiot do you think I am or at least trying your best to make it out like so.So according to you i must be saying -- "oh duh OK so stealth means ninja so a Mesmer, Engineer and Ranger are a ninja heck every class is because they can be stealth by an aoe stealth" or "ohh yea and ever class is a warrior class because ever class uses a sword, or axe, or mace or hammer or great sword (after all a warrior uses them) or maybe every class is a monk because they have healing skills."

Only thing i been saying is that the thief is the assassin/marshal art/rouge of the game and I explained that the assassin type with how it is similar to a ninja I never called it a ninja I only referred to it as some Ninjutsu fighting stiles and how it does have a logic to have the Daredevil and Deadeye elites because of how they fit in with different parts of the core class with its play stile and idea.

your logic is broken the way your using it like this:so I see a recipe and it says: add flour, sugar, baking soda, salt, milk, butter, eggs, vanilla, and chocolate and cook in oven for 45 min (and I say its probably a chocolate cake)But you with your logic say:

"oh so i guess if I put milk and chocolate together" -- "its a chocolate cake""or I put chicken in the oven for 45 min" --- "its a chocolate cake""or I put sugar in my coffee" --- "its chocolate cake"

what your doing here is taking 1 thing or 2 of the stats and trying to make it seem like i am saying anything that uses it is a ninjaJust one thing does not make some one ninja and I never said that just because you can stealth makes you a ninja

so i guess using your logicI would even would be calling the space ships on Star trek that cloak a ninja. LOL

[MrForz.1953]

Ooooh boy, the overall cringe.

[Warkind.6745]

Dude just wanted to know why thief hasn't been getting new one handed weapons and now his thread is full of Narutos.

[Phoenixtwolf.9213]

@Warkind.6745 said:Dude just wanted to know why thief hasn't been getting new one handed weapons and now his thread is full of Narutos.

Yea I know.I was actually wondering that as well. about the 1 hand vs 2 hand why thief got 2 (2 hand) in role and reading the question got me to think that it really did not matter because you will still get 5 sills in the end and a staff and rifle do in a way met the ideas of a assassin/marshal art/rouge type class.

I guess that is the price we pay when answering a question we get some one else ticked off and they go on a rant about how 1 thing you said or part of 1 thing is not right lol.

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:

@"Sir Vincent III.1286" said:Your false logic is this;

Thief uses stealth.

Ninja uses stealth.

Therefore, Thief is a ninja.

So when you take that logic and apply it to the following, you'll end up with these;

Mesmer uses stealth.

Ninja uses stealth.

Therefore, Mesmer is a ninja

Engineer uses stealth.

Ninja uses stealth.

Therefore, Engineer is a ninja.

What kind of idiot do you think I am or at least trying your best to make it out like so.So according to you i must be saying -- "oh duh OK so stealth means ninja so a Mesmer, Engineer and Ranger are a ninja heck every class is because they can be stealth by an aoe stealth" or "ohh yea and ever class is a warrior class because ever class uses a sword, or axe, or mace or hammer or great sword (after all a warrior uses them) or maybe every class is a monk because they have healing skills."

Only thing i been saying is that the thief is the assassin/marshal art/rouge of the game and I explained that the assassin type with how it is similar to a ninja I never called it a ninja I only referred to it as some Ninjutsu fighting stiles and how it does have a logic to have the Daredevil and Deadeye elites because of how they fit in with different parts of the core class with its play stile and idea.

your logic is broken the way your using it like this:so I see a recipe and it says: add flour, sugar, baking soda, salt, milk, butter, eggs, vanilla, and chocolate and cook in oven for 45 min (and I say its probably a chocolate cake)But you with your logic say:

"oh so i guess if I put milk and chocolate together" -- "its a chocolate cake""or I put chicken in the oven for 45 min" --- "its a chocolate cake""or I put sugar in my coffee" --- "its chocolate cake"

what your doing here is taking 1 thing or 2 of the stats and trying to make it seem like i am saying anything that uses it is a ninjaJust one thing does not make some one ninja and I never said that just because you can stealth makes you a ninja

so i guess using your logicI would even would be calling the space ships on Star trek that cloak a ninja. LOL

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@Phoenixtwolf.9213 said:Deadly Art is about killing your target as efficient as possible.

most defiantly NinjutsuCritical Strike is about hitting your target at the weakpoints to disable and deal at lot of damage.

most if not all of marshal art fighting stilesAcrobatics is about escaping tight situation when kitten hits the fan.Again Marshal artShadow Art is about infiltrating a well defended target.Ninjutsu at its coreTrickery is about creating diversion.marshal arts (especially Ninjutsu )

Yes Thief is very much the idea of a marshal art Ninjutsu type fighting (just named Thief because of the steal skill on the game)

sigh

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:The fact is every traitline and description that's been said can apply to a ninja

Not necessarily since the traitline and description are accurate at describing a Thief, not a ninja. There are similarities, but they are not the same.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:The fact is every traitline and description that's been said can apply to a ninja

Not necessarily since the traitline and description are accurate at describing a Thief, not a ninja. There are similarities, but they are not the same.

They apply just as much to both really and any rogue like class but the pics are all clearly ninja's

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:The fact is every traitline and description that's been said can apply to a ninja

Not necessarily since the traitline and description are accurate at describing a Thief, not a ninja. There are similarities, but they are not the same.

They apply just as much to both really and any rogue like class but the pics are all clearly ninja's

The GW1 Assassin is an undeniable ninja, but not the Thief.