Good player stacking; discus

[Sovereign.1093]

This is like stacking the Supermen versus normals. So bad players like using hot knife thru butter will easily be dealt with.

You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.

How then do we deal with this?

Notice if you can't find a solution that's ok. Because it's like the labors of hercules, anet has yet found a solution since the start of wvw.

[enkidu.5937]

@Sovereign.1093 said:You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.If that would be true, the best EU players would be on Deso, Gandi and Piken? . . . hmmmm

What Ive seen is high activity attracts even more players.

[Sovereign.1093]

@enkidu.5937 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.If that would be true, the best EU players would be on Deso, Gandi and Piken? . . . hmmmm

What Ive seen is high activity attracts even more players.

Good players does not necessarily mean the best . But right now the top 3 eu is not Deso gandi and piken

But bb/Whiteside/Riverside

Activities in a way can be considered strength .

The idea even if the best player is not in the server but if more 2nd best or the top 10 is in another server, stacking, the best will still lose. Tis the ratio of good players to pugs.

Also it's not skill alone that is something to consider. Consider charisma and ability to organize. Or roughly the pugs are generally knowledgeable on what to do.

[EremiteAngel.9765]

I usually transfer to find good activity levels during the times that I play.

Join good players? No thanks ?I would rather fight them.More challenging.

[Sovereign.1093]

@EremiteAngel.9765 said:I usually transfer to find good activity levels during the times that I play.

Join good players? No thanks ?I would rather fight them.More challenging.

One versus many will always be fun to see :)

That attitude. It is like mew, rare in this wvw world.

But, lots of activity is also a sign that it's a server with many good players .

[enkidu.5937]

@Sovereign.1093 said:But right now the top 3 eu is not Deso gandi and pikenThats what Im saying. These 3 usually have the highest pops on their server.But bb/Whiteside/Riversidenot so full usually, but on top -> good ^^

[Sovereign.1093]

@enkidu.5937 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:But right now the top 3 eu is not Deso gandi and pikenThats what Im saying. These 3 usually have the highest pops on their server.But bb/Whiteside/Riversidenot so full usually, but on top -> good ^^

Being populated doesn't mean people will go there. But when there are those who is like a coordinator who makes wvw worth playing.

The regular guys who are good in wvw and play together. People will join their team and play more.

Good pugs who know what to do attract like pugs too.

And for servers which are full but for pve content well, people will go there for that reason.

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Consider the formula it only takes one skirmish for a player to be considered a server's population.

That's 2 hours spread within the week

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Let me ask you. The players you play with are they at least decent bordering good?

I.e. geared wvw wise. Participate in coms. Scout locations being attacked etc. And regularly talk with you atleast twice a week?

Unless you roam, but even roamers would have one or two friends who have similar taste

[enkidu.5937]

@Sovereign.1093 said:

@enkidu.5937 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:But right now the top 3 eu is not Deso gandi and pikenThats what Im saying. These 3 usually have the highest pops on their server.But bb/Whiteside/Riversidenot so full usually, but on top -> good ^^

Being populated doesn't mean people will go there. But when there are those who is like a coordinator who makes wvw worth playing.

The regular guys who are good in wvw and play together. People will join their team and play more.

Good pugs who know what to do attract like pugs too.

And for servers which are full but for pve content well, people will go there for that reason.

---

Consider the formula it only takes one skirmish for a player to be considered a server's population.

That's 2 hours spread within the week

---

Let me ask you. The players you play with are they at least decent bordering good?

I.e. geared wvw wise. Participate in coms. Scout locations being attacked etc. And regularly talk with you atleast twice a week?

Unless you roam, but even roamers would have one or two friends who have similar tasteSo I might've missed your initial point. I quoted "good players attrackt all" and I partly disagree, its activity that draws ppl to specific servers. Open activities ofc, not that elite fight guild running with hidden tag.

[EremiteAngel.9765]

@Sovereign.1093 said:

@EremiteAngel.9765 said:I usually transfer to find good activity levels during the times that I play.

Join good players? No thanks ?I would rather fight them.More challenging.

One versus many will always be fun to see :)

That attitude. It is like mew, rare in this wvw world.

But, lots of activity is also a sign that it's a server with many good players .

Actually my views are from a roaming perspective haha.A few vs a few.

Currently my favorite servers to fight against are Mag (always stacked with good roamers) and NSP (XOXO, QQ, ROAM etc.)NSP is the new hyper stacked roaming server.So many scary roamers there now.I feel excited to be fighting them this week.

[Sovereign.1093]

@enkidu.5937 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:

@enkidu.5937 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:But right now the top 3 eu is not Deso gandi and pikenThats what Im saying. These 3 usually have the highest pops on their server.But bb/Whiteside/Riversidenot so full usually, but on top -> good ^^

Being populated doesn't mean people will go there. But when there are those who is like a coordinator who makes wvw worth playing.

The regular guys who are good in wvw and play together. People will join their team and play more.

Good pugs who know what to do attract like pugs too.

And for servers which are full but for pve content well, people will go there for that reason.

---

Consider the formula it only takes one skirmish for a player to be considered a server's population.

That's 2 hours spread within the week

---

Let me ask you. The players you play with are they at least decent bordering good?

I.e. geared wvw wise. Participate in coms. Scout locations being attacked etc. And regularly talk with you atleast twice a week?

Unless you roam, but even roamers would have one or two friends who have similar tasteSo I might've missed your initial point. I quoted "good players attrackt all" and I partly disagree, its activity that draws ppl to specific servers. Open activities ofc, not that elite fight guild running with hidden tag.

Hidden tags dont attract players. Just those who want to be left alone.

@EremiteAngel.9765 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:

@EremiteAngel.9765 said:I usually transfer to find good activity levels during the times that I play.

Join good players? No thanks ?I would rather fight them.More challenging.

One versus many will always be fun to see :)

That attitude. It is like mew, rare in this wvw world.

But, lots of activity is also a sign that it's a server with many good players .

Actually my views are from a roaming perspective haha.A few vs a few.

Currently my favorite servers to fight against are Mag (always stacked with good roamers) and NSP (XOXO, QQ, ROAM etc.)NSP is the new hyper stacked roaming server.So many scary roamers there now.I feel excited to be fighting them this week.

Hehe yes, good havok on sea ocx and they don't Zerg. So ppl with that view go to nsp

[zinkz.7045]

I think you've confused 'good' with 'tryhard'.

[Dawdler.8521]

@"Sovereign.1093" said:Consider charisma and ability to organize."Lol the noobs brought a whole borderzerg cause they cant play otherwise, tag up, we dont care about winning we just want fights"

10 minutes later: "EvEryOnE StaCK on CoM, if NoT GtFO oF BorDEr!!!!!!!!!1111!!!"

The charisma is usually overflowing, yes.

[aspirine.6852]

@Sovereign.1093 said:This is like stacking the Supermen versus normals. So bad players like using hot knife thru butter will easily be dealt with.

You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.

How then do we deal with this?

Notice if you can't find a solution that's ok. Because it's like the labors of hercules, anet has yet found a solution since the start of wvw.

How do you deal with this? Well you introduce alliances and make it even worse :D

[Sovereign.1093]

@zinkz.7045 said:I think you've confused 'good' with 'tryhard'.

No. :)

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Consider charisma and ability to organize.

"Lol the noobs brought a whole borderzerg cause they cant play otherwise, tag up, we dont care about winning we just want fights"

10 minutes later:

"EvEryOnE StaCK on CoM, if NoT GtFO oF BorDEr!!!!!!!!!1111!!!"

The charisma is usually overflowing, yes.

Hey if it works. Some people need to be wipped. Worse case scenario is simply to get wiped or stop facing the enemy :)

It takes a level of charisma to still be followed after shaming players of reality.

@aspirine.6852 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:This is like stacking the Supermen versus normals. So bad players like using hot knife thru butter will easily be dealt with.

You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.

How then do we deal with this?

Notice if you can't find a solution that's ok. Because it's like the labors of hercules, anet has yet found a solution since the start of wvw.

How do you deal with this? Well you introduce alliances and make it even worse :D

Actually it'll be the same. Organized guilds want to be allies with similar types . A strong one will attract those with same interest.

[pninak.1069]

I think a guild will always be better at stacking than a random zerg. and since there are some gvg you have to use combos to maximum degree in order to profit from them. ofc the guilds needs to be big enough to for a zerg. I had a guild zerg against a random zerg once and the guild manaed to make a very big clean line of warding around them forcing the other to go the long way around so the other zerg got a save disengage.

[Sovereign.1093]

@pninak.1069 said:oh It is not about the autoattack and pvp. Since im pvp I look at my char's condi stacks and wait for spikes instead of avoiding them outright. I mean stuff like skill 3 on axe warrior for example. if you stow it at the right time would the projectile be thrown already but won't do dmg aswell as get reduced cooldown due to midcast cancel?

This is like a random post not related to the topic. Did you miss post?

[pninak.1069]

oh sry was in the wrong topic. yea didn't pay attention.

[aspirine.6852]

@Sovereign.1093 said:

@zinkz.7045 said:I think you've confused 'good' with 'tryhard'.

No. :)

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Consider charisma and ability to organize.

"Lol the noobs brought a whole borderzerg cause they cant play otherwise, tag up, we dont care about winning we just want fights"

10 minutes later:

"EvEryOnE StaCK on CoM, if NoT GtFO oF BorDEr!!!!!!!!!1111!!!"

The charisma is usually overflowing, yes.

Hey if it works. Some people need to be wipped. Worse case scenario is simply to get wiped or stop facing the enemy :)

It takes a level of charisma to still be followed after shaming players of reality.

@aspirine.6852 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:This is like stacking the Supermen versus normals. So bad players like using hot knife thru butter will easily be dealt with.

You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.

How then do we deal with this?

Notice if you can't find a solution that's ok. Because it's like the labors of hercules, anet has yet found a solution since the start of wvw.

How do you deal with this? Well you introduce alliances and make it even worse :D

Actually it'll be the same. Organized guilds want to be allies with similar types . A strong one will attract those with same interest.

I like your optimistic approach. Me, I am more of a pessimist, I see where things might go wrong with alliances and I brelieve it will be made worse than it is right now. IN fact I am pretty sure of it.

[Sovereign.1093]

@pninak.1069 said:I think a guild will always be better at stacking than a random zerg. and since there are some gvg you have to use combos to maximum degree in order to profit from them. ofc the guilds needs to be big enough to for a zerg. I had a guild zerg against a random zerg once and the guild manaed to make a very big clean line of warding around them forcing the other to go the long way around so the other zerg got a save disengage.

Hehe. This isn't the the topic too.

But if it is like about groups, a knowledgeable team which knows the game mode will beat randoms who don't work together. :)

The topic is good players attract all and what can we do about it?

This attraction is like stacking players in a server which causes population imbalance where A has more numbers than B and C. And if A is filled with good players B and C won't be able to fight

@aspirine.6852 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:

@zinkz.7045 said:I think you've confused 'good' with 'tryhard'.

No. :)

@Dawdler.8521 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:Consider charisma and ability to organize.

"Lol the noobs brought a whole borderzerg cause they cant play otherwise, tag up, we dont care about winning we just want fights"

10 minutes later:

"EvEryOnE StaCK on CoM, if NoT GtFO oF BorDEr!!!!!!!!!1111!!!"

The charisma is usually overflowing, yes.

Hey if it works. Some people need to be wipped. Worse case scenario is simply to get wiped or stop facing the enemy :)

It takes a level of charisma to still be followed after shaming players of reality.

@aspirine.6852 said:

@Sovereign.1093 said:This is like stacking the Supermen versus normals. So bad players like using hot knife thru butter will easily be dealt with.

You may not notice this but this is the basis of transferring. Good players attract all.

How then do we deal with this?

Notice if you can't find a solution that's ok. Because it's like the labors of hercules, anet has yet found a solution since the start of wvw.

How do you deal with this? Well you introduce alliances and make it even worse :D

Actually it'll be the same. Organized guilds want to be allies with similar types . A strong one will attract those with same interest.

I like your optimistic approach. Me, I am more of a pessimist, I see where things might go wrong with alliances and I brelieve it will be made worse than it is right now. IN fact I am pretty sure of it.

Was it optimistic? I meant even with alliances, we'd all still try to make allies with whom we can enjoy having fun with, depending on what we want out of the game.

[Taobella.6597]

you cant stop good players wanting to play with good players. Only way to deal with this just to teach bad players how to be better.

[VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.]

Gandara good? Deso?

In 2020?

Hahahahaha

[Stand The Wall.6987]

its all about the commander. good commanders are now the basis on which I choose my transfer options. also to be in a guild that isn't a bunch of chest thumping teenagers is nice. great manders will always make the best out of any situation, they will always find something to do and everyone will have fun doing it. so that's what we gotta do: encourage, train, and support good manders. the rest will follow.

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