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Meme(Dune) cloak

praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited August 18, 2019 in Mesmer

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sand_Shards - 266(1) damage . Grandmaster elite spec trait
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Impact- 398(1.5) damage . Minor adept trait which is unblockable
So... question is: why Meme cloak is so trash being a grandmaster trait and outclassed by a minor adept trait ? :joy:

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  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    I member people whining about it being OP even before patch hit the servers, LUL. its so bad its not even funny. you have to preety much hit it like 5-6 times back to back to make any use of it.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    dood. it removes STABILITY.

    Te lazla otstra.
    nerf list

  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019

    Would be nice if it actually STOLE boons instead of just cleansing theirs and giving you a crappy version.

    On top of being block-able, and less damaging... A-net's bias is showing.

    If it want's lower damage fine, but it should be unblockable along with a proper steal.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:
    dood. it removes STABILITY.

    too bad that mesmer has kitten CC so we dont care about stability anymore ;p
    only saving grace is we can copy vigor becouse ours is trash, but then becouse we dont have IH ambush is useless xd

  • appelflap.8310appelflap.8310 Member ✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019

    Try this build, it steals boons for days with tons of dmg. Perfect build vs heavy boon classes like boonbeast, holo, etc...
    Been running his build for about a month now and i can say its op vs heavy boonclasses, even the dmg from dune claok is pretty good on this build since you stack so much might together with superiority complex. Its a good overall build vs all classes with the potential to 1vx, tho i gotta say its a build for the more experienced mesmers out there!
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAEx/lRwoYXsEmJW6OVPdA-zVZYBRNRErYo9iOCS4MyUq2tqSxHgA2DvjqXA-w

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019

    @appelflap.8310 said:
    Try this build, it steals boons for days with tons of dmg. Perfect build vs heavy boon classes like boonbeast, holo, etc...
    Been running his build for about a month now and i can say its op vs heavy boonclasses, even the dmg from dune claok is pretty good on this build since you stack so much might together with superiority complex. Its a good overall build vs all classes with the potential to 1vx, tho i gotta say its a build for the more experienced mesmers out there!
    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAEx/lRwoYXsEmJW6OVPdA-zVZYBRNRErYo9iOCS4MyUq2tqSxHgA2DvjqXA-w

    First of all thats wvw and there you can kill most of people with your legs. On top of that this stupid mount and just broken overall due to all stats,food, split balance.
    In pvp CI is pretty much deleted and you with your build would be deleted as well even if they wouldnt disable CI :D

  • Yoci.2481Yoci.2481 Member ✭✭

    So what if it's WvW? Is that not important? I think WvW is way more interesting, diverse and complex than the repetitive sPvP. Too bad balance is worse, they should fix that.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    snips

    lol the favoritism is strong with this one. yes lets ignore what a stab rip can do.

    Te lazla otstra.
    nerf list

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    snips

    lol the favoritism is strong with this one. yes lets ignore what a stab rip can do.

    How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ... especially on class that dont want to be melee compared with a class who want to be melee... clueless asf... wasnt you the one who was QQing a river and screaming how OP this with new chaos trait ? :D
    Is every subforum is like that or its just mesmer one where mesmer haters lurk in every single thread ?

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ...

    dood. in what world should something do the same damage as something else, but with a powerful functionality on top of that? step back and think about this. comparing traits between two professions without looking at the big picture is not a persuasive argument.

    Te lazla otstra.
    nerf list

  • Mouse.7382Mouse.7382 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Stand The Wall.6987 said:

    @praqtos.9035 said:
    How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ...

    dood. in what world should something do the same damage as something else, but with a powerful functionality on top of that? step back and think about this. comparing traits between two professions without looking at the big picture is not a persuasive argument.

    Every single evade trait like daredevil one is a strong trait with powerful functionality, lets nerf it to be on par with MemeCloak?
    Compared to any this trait is pure garbage, not even that, mirage cant even exist now without IH as I said before ambushes were gutted and ambush alone without clones is trash.
    Literally every evade on daredevil is better than this, on top provide unremovable unique buff.
    Even if you return unnerfed EM condi builds will never drop IH as without it they wont do any damage and only power oneshot builds would pick it just to run away freely if they fail. About "the bigger picture" not even one mesmer build is viable without IH and wouldnt be unless they drastically buff personal ambush and gut clone one, until then, its trash and the only one who is not seeing the bigger picture is you.
    Your the only "argument" BUT IT REMOVE STABILITY !11111 is weak and laughable.
    Certain trait on one class shouldnt be buffed/nerfed because similar trait belong to another class? Like Second skin on soulbeast had 33% condi damage reduction and scrapper barrier had 20% and it was nerfed to be equal on 20%, but then you should have been the first who would defend this screaming BUT SOULBEAST IS NOT SCRAPPER!11 Look its two different classes!
    How even we would know something is OP and something is not if we dont looking for similar traits and classes. What favoritism is when you let be one thing busted on one class and be clearly trash on another, thats favoritism and its clearly not in mesmer favor with all whine and mesmer haters like you

    Here here mate, fully and completely agree!

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 19, 2019

    Ripping stab op! Especially when you can do it far better with IH and sw ambush...

    Make it steal boons and affect clones as well.

    The degenerate

  • viquing.8254viquing.8254 Member ✭✭✭

    The copy boon duration is kinda meh.
    If you want to facepalm, clone death were removed for 30% of reckless impact output. But some professions are allowed to be cheesy.
    (On a side note without this trait, warrior in PvP will lose 60% of their damage.)

  • flog.3485flog.3485 Member ✭✭✭

    They really need to make IH baseline to make this trait worth it then. Complaining that sand shards doesn’t do enough damage isn’t right though. It is a utility trait, it really shouldn’t do both.

    As for replacing IH, I would suggest that they straight up have a “ambush attacks deals x amount of more damages” so that you can take it whether you go for condi or power damages.

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The worst part about Dune Cloak?

    ...The visual effect.

    I don't care what it does, that visual "pop" style explosion is jarring for the eyes and really uncomfortable to look at when using it for an extended period of time. It completely kills the trait for me.

    Audio and visual comfort is the most important balance.

    My ears, how are you! | Kourna Jackrabbit for default Springer

  • Engal.6359Engal.6359 Member ✭✭✭

    It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2019

    @Engal.6359 said:
    It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.

    what matchup? explain? elaborate?
    as for condi clear, mesmer is not allowed to have good condiclear.

  • praqtos.9035praqtos.9035 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Engal.6359 said:
    It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.

    Its just as good as papasomethingsomething claiming to be playing a really viable build (spoiler: its not)
    There is not even a single build that would take memecloak over IH, period.

  • Delofasht.4231Delofasht.4231 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2019

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Engal.6359 said:
    It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.

    Its just as good as papasomethingsomething claiming to be playing a really viable build (spoiler: its not)
    There is not even a single build that would take memecloak over IH, period.

    Dune Cloak needs a build with more survivability, which reduces it’s damage too much to really wear down an opponent. Unfortunately, survival power builds lose too many multipliers by giving up precision for toughness and thus lose too much in PvP. In WvW such builds can be made and are durable and do fair damage, but a lot of it ends up coming from passive might generation and vulnerability stacks coupled with the little bit of condition damage gained from vigor and might stacks to up the damage of several of the abilities connecting which when coupled with ripping boons can shutdown all sorts of highly durable but boon reliant enemy builds. Once again, that can be done in WvW but not sPvP.

  • Engal.6359Engal.6359 Member ✭✭✭

    @praqtos.9035 said:

    @Engal.6359 said:
    It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.

    Its just as good as papasomethingsomething claiming to be playing a really viable build (spoiler: its not)
    There is not even a single build that would take memecloak over IH, period.

    Nope! I take dune cloak on mantra mirage for ranked so yeah, ppl use it. It helps with holo, ranger, guard, and any other classes with stab as we can steal it.

    There's your single build.

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