untamed and willbender

[Lighter.5631]

so recently i tried untamed and willbender, why it feels like

untamed is just a core ranger on steroid

and willbender is just core power guard on steroid

 

where's the trade offs? i don't get it..or even the differences except one is way better?...

i can assume spector/harbinger/mech/etc are different from their core.

 

but these two? just feels like core but a better core..

can anyone explain what i am missing here

[JunkJunk.8971]

Willbender is not overall better then core.    Soulbeast is equal to untamed.   Harbinger is vastly different then other elites

[Swagg.9236]

You're not missing anything.  Every espec has always been (or aimed to be) a direct upgrade.  GW2 isn't complex enough to incorporate side-grades and new roles into its combat cycle.  It has always been a struggle of little more than numbers going from expac to expac; patch to patch.

[Khalisto.5780]

also cata, but it's not overperforming that why ppl are not complainting about it, but still core ele on steroids

 

i wish we ele mains had something more unique to play than core ele with fields, not even a smoke field for the memes

 

feelsvisibleman

[Lighter.5631]

3 minutes ago, JunkJunk.8971 said:

Willbender is not overall better then core.    Soulbeast is equal to untamed.   Harbinger is vastly different then other elites

what do you mean, willbender plays like core power guard with more mobility

and untamed plays like core power ranger with more skills and a teleport

[Gundam Style.8495]

19 minutes ago, Lighter.5631 said:

so recently i tried untamed and willbender, why it feels like

untamed is just a core ranger on steroid

and willbender is just core power guard on steroid

 

where's the trade offs? i don't get it..or even the differences except one is way better?...

i can assume spector/harbinger/mech/etc are different from their core.

 

but these two? just feels like core but a better core..

can anyone explain what i am missing here

Already said this and knew they were next to be in sights. But, I don't think they are really too OP.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Gundam Style.8495

[Stallic.2397]

It brings back old core builds that weren't viable before EOD though, so I ain't complaining

That applies to burn guard and D/D ele. Core ranger however always had strong potential in the right hands. Not sure if untamed actually replaces that build

Edited April 29, 2022 by Stallic.2397

[Ragnar.4257]

First, I'm not sure how you've concluded that they are upgrades in every single way. Untamed is worse at 1v1 than core-ranger. Willbender is worse at support than core-guard. Core-ranger gives up some of its 1v1 capability and gains some extra team-fight capability. That's a trade-off. Willbender gives up some of its support capability for more mobility. That's a trade-off.

Secondly, even if they were upgrades in every single way (which we've already estabilished they are not), I don't see why that would necessarily be an issue. Neither core-ranger, nor power-dps-guardian, were meta choices before EoD. Taking a non-viable way of playing a class and making it viable is kinda the point of elite specialisations. If willbender was no better than core-guard at doing dps, and it is well known that core-guard sucks in the dps role, then what would be the point of the specialisation? If untamed was no better than core-ranger at teamfighting, and core-ranger is well known to suck at teamfighting, then what would be the point of the specialisation?

Edited April 29, 2022 by Ragnar.4257

[Lighter.5631]

16 minutes ago, Ragnar.4257 said:

Neither core-ranger, nor power-dps-guardian, were meta choices before EoD. Taking a non-viable way of playing a class and making it viable is kinda the point of elite specialisations.

what? completely replace a core specialisations instead of making the core spec viable is the point of elite specialisations?

[Ragnar.4257]

5 minutes ago, Lighter.5631 said:

what? completely replace a core specialisations instead of making the core spec viable is the point of elite specialisations?

What are you talking about?

In what way does willbender "replace" core-guard?

It doesn't. Core-guard is still superior for support.

What it does is enable a new way of playing the class: DPS.

That's what specialisations do, they enable a new way of playing the class.

Having one specialisation be good for support, one be good for solo roaming, one be good for teamfight DPS, etc etc, is exactly how specialisations should work. That doesn't mean they are "replacing" each other.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Ragnar.4257

[Rider.6024]

2 hours ago, Lighter.5631 said:

so recently i tried untamed and willbender, why it feels like

untamed is just a core ranger on steroid

and willbender is just core power guard on steroid

 

where's the trade offs? i don't get it..or even the differences except one is way better?...

i can assume spector/harbinger/mech/etc are different from their core.

 

but these two? just feels like core but a better core..

can anyone explain what i am missing here

untamed and willbender lose out on defensive trait lines, willy is also entirely different really because of new virtues, Catalyst and Untamed though are really just roided out core, and I for one could not be happier

[Bazooka.3590]

WB = 80% stability + 300% resolution + 100% might + all skill heals and remove conditions + highest damage in game + blind + aegis + block + symbols + invulnerability

 

Definitely needs heavy nerf.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

24 minutes ago, Bazooka.3590 said:

WB = 80% stability + 300% resolution + 100% might + all skill heals and remove conditions + highest damage in game + blind + aegis + block + symbols + invulnerability

 

Definitely needs heavy nerf.

Better nerf those pesky and infuriating power berserkers. May i suggest for - 500 toughness penalty on warriors. /s

[Lighter.5631]

On 4/29/2022 at 2:34 PM, Ragnar.4257 said:

What are you talking about?

In what way does willbender "replace" core-guard?

It doesn't. Core-guard is still superior for support.

What it does is enable a new way of playing the class: DPS.

That's what specialisations do, they enable a new way of playing the class.

Having one specialisation be good for support, one be good for solo roaming, one be good for teamfight DPS, etc etc, is exactly how specialisations should work. That doesn't mean they are "replacing" each other.

i've never said all core guard, but only power core guard tho..i don't know why you keep reading my post beyond what i've said

[Ragnar.4257]

1 hour ago, Lighter.5631 said:

i've never said all core guard, but only power core guard tho..i don't know why you keep reading my post beyond what i've said

That's like saying Spectre replaced core-support-thief. Core-support-thief wasn't a thing, so this isn't an issue.

[pallas.8150]

Willbender and Harbinger def need a nerf, imo.

[Sindrener.1592]

Untamed had a tradeoff... that got removed😂

[DanAlcedo.3281]

On 4/30/2022 at 2:35 PM, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

Better nerf those pesky and infuriating power berserkers. May i suggest for - 500 toughness penalty on warriors. /s

You forgot some downside buddy. 

• No Class Mechanic in Base Form
• Only 2 traitlines aktiv in base Form. 
• Forced to run a adrenaline filling ability or go home. 
• Forced to run rage skills to extend Zerker. 
• Being Warrior. 

Edited May 2, 2022 by DanAlcedo.3281

[Grand Marshal.4098]

6 hours ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

You forgot some downside buddy. 

• No Class Mechanic in Base Form
• Only 2 traitlines aktiv in base Form. 
• Forced to run a adrenaline filling ability or go home. 
• Forced to run rage skills to extend Zerker. 
• Being Warrior. 

These are the perks tho!!!!! 

[Zekent.3652]

On 4/29/2022 at 11:41 AM, Lighter.5631 said:

where's the trade offs?

A couple months ago, CMC did a podcast with Tpot, he confirmed that there's no tradeoff on untamed, it just fortified what ranger already is.

[JunkJunk.8971]

Harbinger needs a real nerf to the shroud abilities.    Way too much dps