What do you play in PvE?

[Veprovina.4876]

Was curious about this... Which one do you play when just doing open world stuff, events, large metas and bosses?

The poll is multiple choice, cause maybe you play more than one.

Or you can select whichever is the meta, plus the one that you copied from the meta site.

Like, if you just always copy the meta build, and that build is now idk, virtuoso, select both options.

Or if you play Mirage and Virtuoso, select those two.

 

The poll thing only allows 3 questions, so i had to group some together.

Also, incoming poll for PvP modes.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Veprovina.4876

[Mungo Zen.9364]

There should be an option 'I don't Raid/Fractal/OW' for these since, well, I don't do one of them but have to submit a response in order to complete the survey.  Also, it might be a fun thing to add the option "I play something else" since well, in the WvW/PvP post, I don't play Mesmer at all, even tho I main it in PvE.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Mungo Zen.9364

[Veprovina.4876]

5 hours ago, Mungo Zen.9364 said:

There should be an option 'I don't Raid/Fractal/OW' for these since, well, I don't do one of them but have to submit a response in order to complete the survey.  Also, it might be a fun thing to add the option "I play something else" since well, in the WvW/PvP post, I don't play Mesmer at all, even tho I main it in PvE.

Oh you have to submit a response? I thought you could just leave it blank.

In that case, well, choose 5.

[Moradorin.6217]

6 hours ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

Was curious about this... Which one do you play when just doing open world stuff, events, large metas and bosses?

The poll is multiple choice, cause maybe you play more than one.

Or you can select whichever is the meta, plus the one that you copied from the meta site.

Like, if you just always copy the meta build, and that build is now idk, virtuoso, select both options.

Or if you play Mirage and Virtuoso, select those two.

 

The poll thing only allows 3 questions, so i had to group some together.

Also, incoming poll for PvP modes.

I like the poll. I wanted to comment though that I played core Mesmer ages ago in fractals pre HoT and was happy with that, then I played chrono after HoT came out and stuck with that part way into pof but found chrono to have a much harder time vs Mirage and eventually gave into condi Mirage before and after the phant changes and grew to like it and played it in T4s, wvw, pvp, everything.

However, up to and for a while after the one dodge nerf I was primarily playing wvw and doing some fractals which mostly was on Mirage. After the one dodge nerf I gradually stopped playing PvE because I felt like when I switched between pve and wvw/pvp I had to readapt my play style to consider my dodge and it really made game mode switching uncomfortable. That basically caused me to just play wvw cause I was enjoying it, but after Mesmer and Mirage continued to get more nerfs I eventually just decided it wasnt worth bothering with outside niche uses.

 

Mirage: At present I might play Mirage for Escort, TL, Math but usually they aren't needed (towers is still).'

 

chrono: I have not played chrono. since all the phant. changes so trying to play chrono. now just sounds like starting over which after all the run around with Mirage and stuff I just don't intend to do, so chrono. is just not for me I guess.

 

Virtuoso : I just don't even want to try because of all the above stuff and because of the dagger visual on the toons + its all projectiles which just sounds problematic.

Core: I started out doing core so I wouldn't mind playing core but its just too under powered to consider for anything you have listed, although, I'm sure someone has probably worked hard enough to make it work in something, somehow, cause people can be stuborn. haha Anyway I miss core being decently good it always seems very under-powered to me but I have not spent much time with it in a long time either.

 

 

[Veprovina.4876]

8 minutes ago, Moradorin.6217 said:

I like the poll. I wanted to comment though that I played core Mesmer ages ago in fractals pre HoT and was happy with that, then I played chrono after HoT came out and stuck with that part way into pof but found chrono to have a much harder time vs Mirage and eventually gave into condi Mirage before and after the phant changes and grew to like it and played it in T4s, wvw, pvp, everything.

However, up to and for a while after the one dodge nerf I was primarily playing wvw and doing some fractals which mostly was on Mirage. After the one dodge nerf I gradually stopped playing PvE because I felt like when I switched between pve and wvw/pvp I had to readapt my play style to consider my dodge and it really made game mode switching uncomfortable. That basically caused me to just play wvw cause I was enjoying it, but after Mesmer and Mirage continued to get more nerfs I eventually just decided it wasnt worth bothering with outside niche uses.

 

Mirage: At present I might play Mirage for Escort, TL, Math but usually they aren't needed (towers is still).'

 

chrono: I have not played chrono. since all the phant. changes so trying to play chrono. now just sounds like starting over which after all the run around with Mirage and stuff I just don't intend to do, so chrono. is just not for me I guess.

 

Virtuoso : I just don't even want to try because of all the above stuff and because of the dagger visual on the toons + its all projectiles which just sounds problematic.

Core: I started out doing core so I wouldn't mind playing core but its just too under powered to consider for anything you have listed, although, I'm sure someone has probably worked hard enough to make it work in something, somehow, cause people can be stuborn. haha Anyway I miss core being decently good it always seems very under-powered to me but I have not spent much time with it in a long time either.

 

 

Thanks! 🙂

We kinda have the simmilar path of what we played lol.

But the most fun for me is the mirage overall. Even if it's kinda destroyed from what it was.

I just love the flashy teleporty gameplay.

 

I never got into raiding with mesmer at all though, i played scourge and latest harbinger cause of how stupidly OP it was.

I perfer scourge though...

 

Anyway... 50/50 open world on mirage and chronomancer?

Is there an open world chrono build now or something? What am i missing?

[godfat.2604]

8 hours ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

Anyway... 50/50 open world on mirage and chronomancer?

Is there an open world chrono build now or something? What am i missing?

For open world, I did pick all of the elites. Chronomancer was my favourite, even though it's just a shadow of its former self. I still wish they can revert some of the nerfs, even to this day, and it's disappointing that the recent patches which supposed to be buffing Chronomancer didn't really do much.

Anyway, I still run Chronomancer in open world with a simple power build (assassin + eagle rune), nothing too special, because in open world I cannot endure not having passive 25%+ movement buff. Chronomancer has this built-in, so I have more freedom about which runes to pick. And it's open world! Anything really works :shrug:

The other build I run often in open world is celestial traveler Mirage, which is a great all around solo build. I usually swap to this build when things become difficult on my glass Chronomancer. I do also play condi Virtuoso when I need damage and there are groups around, but given that it's too difficult to get Virtuoso work well with traveler or fireworks, I really don't play it often in open world.

And I mean it. Can we also have that Shift Signet, if we're not nerfing it? It can release me from this traveler curse in open world. Signet of Inspiration is not an answer. First it's annoying to have voice over every few seconds, and it can't cover 100% swiftness either, making the speed unreliable and even more annoying. Of course, using a focus is also not an answer...

[Duglaive.5236]

I'm not playing Mesmer much these days, even though Chrono was my first main and a class I just loved. The nerfs, changes, and "buffs" (lol) have turned me off the spec. I still hold out a bit of hope that may one day change, but I won't play it again until I believe it to be fun and viable once again.

As for Mirage, I've never enjoyed any build I've tried for whatever reason, though some have been quite effective. So for now, when I need to scratch that Mesmer itch, I'll play a bit of power Virtuoso. But it's never for long as it feels a bit simplistic, and the projectile-only gameplay can be really problematic in more situations than I expected.

So Anet, and I'm sure you've read and heard this a million times by now, please bring Chrono back from its near dead status.

[Veprovina.4876]

Added the "i don't play X" options.

I didn't think you can lol.

[Veprovina.4876]

6 hours ago, godfat.2604 said:

For open world, I did pick all of the elites. Chronomancer was my favourite, even though it's just a shadow of its former self. I still wish they can revert some of the nerfs, even to this day, and it's disappointing that the recent patches which supposed to be buffing Chronomancer didn't really do much.

Anyway, I still run Chronomancer in open world with a simple power build (assassin + eagle rune), nothing too special, because in open world I cannot endure not having passive 25%+ movement buff. Chronomancer has this built-in, so I have more freedom about which runes to pick. And it's open world! Anything really works :shrug:

The other build I run often in open world is celestial traveler Mirage, which is a great all around solo build. I usually swap to this build when things become difficult on my glass Chronomancer. I do also play condi Virtuoso when I need damage and there are groups around, but given that it's too difficult to get Virtuoso work well with traveler or fireworks, I really don't play it often in open world.

And I mean it. Can we also have that Shift Signet, if we're not nerfing it? It can release me from this traveler curse in open world. Signet of Inspiration is not an answer. First it's annoying to have voice over every few seconds, and it can't cover 100% swiftness either, making the speed unreliable and even more annoying. Of course, using a focus is also not an answer...

I once tried chrono, and it just never really packed a punch, seemed super weak in OP compared to anyone else.

Maybe recent patches changed somethign. I wouldn't mind playing Chrono in OW again, i kinda miss it.

Virtuoso is ok but sometimes i'd like to take Chrono in OW...

The movement buff really does help!

 

I run Viper's mirage in OW, i did try celestial too and it's great, but i don't really need all that other stats, and i'm surviving solo fine in viper's so i took that. It's easier to maintain alacrity in celestial though.

 

Signet and the spammy voice, yeah ahhahaha! I don't run it either cause well, they butchered it anyway so...

37 minutes ago, Duglaive.5236 said:

I'm not playing Mesmer much these days, even though Chrono was my first main and a class I just loved. The nerfs, changes, and "buffs" (lol) have turned me off the spec. I still hold out a bit of hope that may one day change, but I won't play it again until I believe it to be fun and viable once again.

As for Mirage, I've never enjoyed any build I've tried for whatever reason, though some have been quite effective. So for now, when I need to scratch that Mesmer itch, I'll play a bit of power Virtuoso. But it's never for long as it feels a bit simplistic, and the projectile-only gameplay can be really problematic in more situations than I expected.

So Anet, and I'm sure you've read and heard this a million times by now, please bring Chrono back from its near dead status.

Yeah, Chrono has suffered a lot of abuse from the balance department over the years, and mesmer in general.

Hopefully things change now, i mean they did revert mirage nerfs. Those shouldn't have happened in the first place cause like i've been saying for the 10000 times, you can't balance around golem numbers that only 1% will ever achieve and ONLY on the golem... But they finally said that exact thing in their post about reverting the nerf, so i'm happy they at least seem to start to get it. If they continue down the path of understanding, and if they literally take the time to compare Firebrand to literally anyone else, they'll see how much that spec is overtuned and everyone else not even close.

 

But i digress...

 

You're playing power virtuoso? Is it good? Cause i tried it, did the berserker/assassin thing, and it's just not working...

I mean, power builds in general are so weak right now.

 

I use Rampager's on Virtuoso, with some other mixed in cause now you can reach 100% crit without full rampager's...

Works great in OW.

[Eekasqueak.7850]

Virtuoso is the one I find most fun to play for just about everything. Never much liked managing clones admittedly. 

[Blood Red Arachnid.2493]

I run chronomancer everywhere.  For one big reason:  run speed boost.  Yes, it's that simple.  Currently I'm playing the game in maintenance mode, doing the core dailies and gathering at the tomb of kings.  I don't like constantly having to mount up while going from chest to chest, so the run speed boost wins out.  When I do play the game, I'm doing core map exploration, which again makes the run speed boost much more favorable.

On rare occasion I'll swap to virtuoso, which I'll have to do next week to get enough ancient coins, but otherwise I just do everything on chrono.  The chrono burst is down to muscle memory now, so anything that might give me trouble is melted quite quickly once I engage my second hand.  

[draxynnic.3719]

Went with all three elites in open world. I haven't played chrono or mirage there in a while, but that's because virtuoso is the new shiny. I'm sure the itch will come at some stage. I didn't vote for it, but I've even run core mesmer in open world in the past year or so, but that was mostly because I couldn't be bothered switching from a PvP build I was using at the time.

Raids/strikes are currently condi mirage and power virtuoso. Will probably branch out when I get my legendary armour.

Fractals are currently 'I don't do this on mesmer', mostly for AR and can't-be-bothered-transferring-potions reasons. Might start bringing mirage or virtuoso soon, though.

[Duglaive.5236]

1 hour ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

You're playing power virtuoso? Is it good? Cause i tried it, did the berserker/assassin thing, and it's just not working...

I mean, power builds in general are so weak right now.

 

I use Rampager's on Virtuoso, with some other mixed in cause now you can reach 100% crit without full rampager's...

Works great in OW.

 

I started with condi, and it does work well. But in today's game condi is so dominant I wanted something power. After some buildcrafting, I came up with D/S & GS build using a mix of Marauder and Berserker gear; easily capped crit chance with Fury which I pretty much have 100% uptime on. And of course Fury works great with the other power stats. You tend to destroy things very fast, and it's relatively easy to play.

[Veprovina.4876]

Anyone care to share their open world chronomancer build? I'm interested to try it. And since i got most of the legendary gear, should be pretty cheap to experiment. 🙂

[godfat.2604]

1 hour ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

I once tried chrono, and it just never really packed a punch, seemed super weak in OP compared to anyone else.

Maybe recent patches changed somethign. I wouldn't mind playing Chrono in OW again, i kinda miss it.

Power Chrono does not have good sustain damage, but the burst is good which is usually enough for random open world things. Recent patches didn’t really do anything for open world Chrono because we’re not going to sustain alacrity nor slow. It’s not strong but as mentioned, whatever in open world. Running fast and bursting fast, and flavours… can be enough of reasons to play.

1 hour ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

I run Viper's mirage in OW, i did try celestial too and it's great, but i don't really need all that other stats, and i'm surviving solo fine in viper's so i took that. It's easier to maintain alacrity in celestial though.

Every time I tried to run axe viper Mirage, I eventually gave up. I find it only dealt slightly more damage than double staves celestial, probably because I couldn’t cap mights at 25 stacks when running solo, and it’s certainly way easier to die, too. I can clear T1 fractal with double staves celestial Mirage as well (or I should say, celestial is just the god of solo play. Did a few times with Firebrand and Mechanist, too. Surprisingly, it’s the easiest on Mirage). It’s also my goto for solo bounties or champions.

1 hour ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

You're playing power virtuoso? Is it good? Cause i tried it, did the berserker/assassin thing, and it's just not working...

I mean, power builds in general are so weak right now.

I think power Virtuoso is quite bad. The damage is subpar and it’s extremely brittle, very easy to die in solo. Condi Virtuoso does much more damage, and can heal a lot from enemies bleeding, much easier to survive. My only gripe is that without passive 25% movement speed it’s just painful.

And I agree that power is just bad in general. Power Chrono has strong burst (and 25% movement buff!), and that’s it. A lot of people said power Mirage is great, but every time I tried I just felt it did very little damage. It’s funny that Virtuoso was supposed to be a power spec, and they buffed bloodsong til it became meta :shrug:

[godfat.2604]

15 minutes ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

Anyone care to share their open world chronomancer build? I'm interested to try it. And since i got most of the legendary gear, should be pretty cheap to experiment. 🙂

Something like this out of my memory: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAExzlVw2YMsJWJOyKdNfA-zxQYhoGFsDnfZUbKURFYyBIg9wnpHBA-e

Can verify when I can access the game. Generally I do have all builds saved like this without the game, but only when I am really content for the build… Not this one so it’s only in the game 😅

Edited: If we’re certainly running solo, perhaps it’s worth to try swapping Domination for Illusion, so we have some mights and quickness: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAExzlVw2YMsJWJW6WaNfA-zxQYhoGFsDnfZUbKURFYyBIg9wnpHBA-e I’ll try this latter when I can play.

Edited August 26, 2022 by godfat.2604

[Veprovina.4876]

9 minutes ago, godfat.2604 said:

Power Chrono does not have good sustain damage, but the burst is good which is usually enough for random open world things. Recent patches didn’t really do anything for open world Chrono because we’re not going to sustain alacrity nor slow. It’s not strong but as mentioned, whatever in open world. Running fast and bursting fast, and flavours… can be enough of reasons to play.

Can you share your build? I wanna try Chrono in OW. 🙂

 

EDIT: You posted in the meantime: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAExzlVw2YMsJWJOyKdNfA-zxQYhoGFsDnfZUbKURFYyBIg9wnpHBA-e

Thanks! I'll give it a go!

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Every time I tried to run axe viper Mirage, I eventually gave up. I find it only dealt slightly more damage than double staves celestial, probably because I couldn’t cap mights at 25 stacks when running solo, and it’s certainly way easier to die, too.

Try double staff viper's mirage. 🙂 It's pretty goo for soloing bosses. Jaunt, mirage cloak, distortion and illusionary ambush take care of survivability. If i run axe, it's for trash mobs and the spectacle. But double staff for champs and stuff.

It IS more brittle than celestial, but on harder mobs, it does kill them a bit faster...

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I can clear T1 fractal with double staves celestial Mirage as well (or I should say, celestial is just the god of solo play. Did a few times with Firebrand and Mechanist, too. Surprisingly, it’s the easiest on Mirage). It’s also my goto for solo bounties or champions.

I used to run celestial with leadership runes. Extreme boon duration, i really liked it in strikes, so easy to maintain everyone's alacrity compared to the meta build. Less DPS but whatever, who cares at this point when there's 9 mechs and you in a strike. 😉

 

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I think power Virtuoso is quite bad. The damage is subpar and it’s extremely brittle, very easy to die in solo. Condi Virtuoso does much more damage, and can heal a lot from enemies bleeding, much easier to survive. My only gripe is that without passive 25% movement speed it’s just painful.

And I agree that power is just bad in general. Power Chrono has strong burst (and 25% movement buff!), and that’s it. A lot of people said power Mirage is great, but every time I tried I just felt it did very little damage. It’s funny that Virtuoso was supposed to be a power spec, and they buffed bloodsong til it became meta :shrug:

Yeah i tried power Virtuoso and power Mirage and while i liked how the mirage "theoretically works", it just didn't work in practice, i was downing more than elementalists while doing no damage... And when the big meta bosses came, sword ambush and illusionary ambush became a death sentence. I had to actively think not to use those...

If the damage was better, i'd stick with it, but the DPS was laughable no matter what i tried...

A shame, it looked like a fun break from condi, even if power never becomes meta, but there's a limit to how bad i'll go lol.

[draxynnic.3719]

Power virtuoso can work in the open world, but you need to factor in some defence (such as the aegis trait) rather than just going full raid DPS build.

Power Mirage is mostly a farming/chaff-clearing spec with greatsword. It's fun, but Virtuoso probably outperforms it nowadays.

4 minutes ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

Anyone care to share their open world chronomancer build? I'm interested to try it. And since i got most of the legendary gear, should be pretty cheap to experiment. 🙂

I don't have the details to hand right now becomes I'm on my phone, but general approach:

Chronophantasma.

Take Persistence of Memory, Phantasmal Haste, and Phantasmal Force in Illusions.

Use pack runes - if you open a fight by summoning phantasms and there aren't other players nearby, your phantasms will receive the boons and then bounce them back to you.

Summon as many phantasms as you can. The typical version uses Domination with greatsword to get an extra berserker, but if you use different weapons, you might consider Duelling to get Fury without the pack runes.

Wooden Potatoes has a video on the general principles. It's been nerfed a bit since, but certainly at least was a fun build.

 

 

[mirage.8046]

yeah chrono is awful and a confused mess all around. sure it can buff allies and itself, but wells are awkward, and we have traits competing against each other in the same tier.

I've tried power chrono in open world and I hit like a wet noodle after bursts; it struggles with sustained damage. 

I liked condi mirage when I was playing w/ staff; no matter what staff has poor dps, though for open world it was a slow but safe way to play. Some raid and strikes groups I've joined even asked for alacmirage so it's got its place there.

virtuoso, power or condi, is so awkward: from bladesongs having cast times to the entire kit focused on projectiles. you can get shut down fast w/ virtuoso. the trait that grants unblockable bladesongs can't even be used with master of fragmentation; your projectiles will be reflected and your bladesongs will be nulled.

as for fractals, I've stuck with power virtuoso (I used to go power chrono way before these reworks).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiABwqxzlVwaYbMGWJW6WaNPA-zxQYhonzbHUYhEWIEYCERF45sUlyGA-e 
this here is my pchrono build for open world. 

[Moradorin.6217]

Also while on the topic of Mesmer play in general. One thing I noticed happened in the last year+ was at some point auto-targeting got kinda broken and Mesmer is one of the classes it hurts on the most. It seems to have changed phant and clone behavior to they despawn faster. It also seems to cause things like Axe 3 to fail to gain a target after you do a weapon slow and remove target. In other words, it seems like (any class not sure Mes) if I drop target then try to activate an attack skill OTHER than auto the auto-targeting function fails. The skill doesnt get a target which can make it fail to even activate. This is a bigger issue on Mirage than most because they have to keep 3 clones up on a target and some you have to switch targets. It seems like this is partly broken now compared to how it always functioned.

In other words, it seems like auto-targeting is broken and it seems to impact clones being able to switch targets when you are trying to sorta chain attacks along so that as one mob dies you assign newer clones to grab another target closer to the player. This kind of play has become broken and its problematic in many places because of the poor quality of targeting a specific target in a large crowd of targets. (like pve and wvw)

 

Granted allot of the time you wana leave auto-targeting off, but some times I specific want it on for so I can quickly change targets based on proximity.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Moradorin.6217

[Veprovina.4876]

2 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Power Mirage is mostly a farming/chaff-clearing spec with greatsword. It's fun, but Virtuoso probably outperforms it nowadays.

I actually use power mirage, or rather, i don't bother with stats, just keep vipers' or celestial, and use a greatsword at halloween.

I commanded many a farm trains with it, and the GS is probably top tagging tool for that. 🙂

But other than halloween, in normal play, i didn't find it too useful, even when against multiple enemies, idk... THe laser show is great, but i find that it lacks something to make it truly impactful. Maybe a condition, like, i know it gives some might to you and vulnerability to the enemy, but maybe like a 1 second slow to really make it impactful. Cause it's weaker than the non ambush attack i think...

Anyway... Yeah... GS mirage - my Halloween lab farmer. 😄

2 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

I don't have the details to hand right now becomes I'm on my phone, but general approach:

Chronophantasma.

Take Persistence of Memory, Phantasmal Haste, and Phantasmal Force in Illusions.

Use pack runes - if you open a fight by summoning phantasms and there aren't other players nearby, your phantasms will receive the boons and then bounce them back to you.

Summon as many phantasms as you can. The typical version uses Domination with greatsword to get an extra berserker, but if you use different weapons, you might consider Duelling to get Fury without the pack runes.

Wooden Potatoes has a video on the general principles. It's been nerfed a bit since, but certainly at least was a fun build.

I have a few greatswords i need redisitributed haha. 😄

So i'm going Domination.

But i'll definitely experiment.

2 hours ago, mirage.8046 said:

yeah chrono is awful and a confused mess all around. sure it can buff allies and itself, but wells are awkward, and we have traits competing against each other in the same tier.

I've tried power chrono in open world and I hit like a wet noodle after bursts; it struggles with sustained damage. 

What IS "the burst" anyway? What rotation do i do for the burst? Is there somewhere i can see that?

And all power builds struggle after the burst... That was supposed to be the difference between condi and power.

Power - bursty goodness, 100% - 0% in seconds.

Condi - sustained fights, slow but if you don't do something about it - certain - death...

 

But anet made condi ALSO have extreme burst so it is what it is...

2 hours ago, mirage.8046 said:

I liked condi mirage when I was playing w/ staff; no matter what staff has poor dps, though for open world it was a slow but safe way to play. Some raid and strikes groups I've joined even asked for alacmirage so it's got its place there.

Same, except i switched to axe/staff in OW, it's a bit more sure damage than the staff projectile in random mobs. Then had the extra staff for when i went and did strikes.

2 hours ago, mirage.8046 said:

virtuoso, power or condi, is so awkward: from bladesongs having cast times to the entire kit focused on projectiles. you can get shut down fast w/ virtuoso. the trait that grants unblockable bladesongs can't even be used with master of fragmentation; your projectiles will be reflected and your bladesongs will be nulled.

Yeah, if they only listened to all the feedback, we'd probably end up with something much more awesome.

2 hours ago, mirage.8046 said:

as for fractals, I've stuck with power virtuoso (I used to go power chrono way before these reworks).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiABwqxzlVwaYbMGWJW6WaNPA-zxQYhonzbHUYhEWIEYCERF45sUlyGA-e 
this here is my pchrono build for open world. 

Thanks, i'll check it out! 🙂

[godfat.2604]

36 minutes ago, Veprovina.4876 said:

What IS "the burst" anyway? What rotation do i do for the burst? Is there somewhere i can see that?

Depending on how much you need to burst, but the strongest burst for Chrono is:

* Get ready with 3 clones
* Cast Phantasmal Disenchanter
* While casting it, cast Continuum Split
* Cast Phantasmal Berserker
* Cast Signet of the Either, recharging Phantasmal Disenchanter and Phantasmal Berserker
* Cast Phantasmal Disenchanter and Phantasmal Berserker again
* Cast Split Second when you got 3 clones
* Cast Rewinder if you got another 3 clones
* Try to cast Mantra of Pain during above
* After Continuum Split ends, cast Phantasmal Disenchanter and Phantasmal Berserker again
* Cast Split Second when you got 3 clones
* Cast Rewinder if you got another 3 clones

In theory I suppose. I am not fully sure if it's possible to fit all of that during the window, but you get the idea... and of course it's not always that all the skills are ready for you. If the fight gets longer, skill cooldown are not going to align that well.

Honestly, I think Anet made this very difficult to balance due to all kinds of resetting skills. Maybe it's even possible to use Mimic to cast Phantasmal Disenchanter, and that would be another heavy burst during the window.

[Veprovina.4876]

1 hour ago, godfat.2604 said:

Depending on how much you need to burst, but the strongest burst for Chrono is:

* Get ready with 3 clones
* Cast Phantasmal Disenchanter
* While casting it, cast Continuum Split
* Cast Phantasmal Berserker
* Cast Signet of the Either, recharging Phantasmal Disenchanter and Phantasmal Berserker
* Cast Phantasmal Disenchanter and Phantasmal Berserker again
* Cast Split Second when you got 3 clones
* Cast Rewinder if you got another 3 clones
* Try to cast Mantra of Pain during above
* After Continuum Split ends, cast Phantasmal Disenchanter and Phantasmal Berserker again
* Cast Split Second when you got 3 clones
* Cast Rewinder if you got another 3 clones

In theory I suppose. I am not fully sure if it's possible to fit all of that during the window, but you get the idea... and of course it's not always that all the skills are ready for you. If the fight gets longer, skill cooldown are not going to align that well.

Honestly, I think Anet made this very difficult to balance due to all kinds of resetting skills. Maybe it's even possible to use Mimic to cast Phantasmal Disenchanter, and that would be another heavy burst during the window.

Yeah, some of that is possible probably with permanent alacrity in raids or something haha, but i get the picture, thanks!

Well, i'm off to turn my Virtuoso into a chrono. 🙂 See how it works.

[Veprovina.4876]

Well, i tried Chrono... Except i made a mix of dragon's and Marauder's with precision infusions and berserker weapons.

I don't hate it so far. Shouldn't be as glassy, and still has a good burst.

Of course... There's nothing after the burst lol, and it can't compete with meta builds but for Open world it's ok so far.

[godfat.2604]

Yeah, it's not great, and I only run Chrono in open world because I need something running fast and bursting fast, and for random open world things we usually don't need something great either. The other place I run Chrono is in WvW... which to be honest, not great either.

I checked in-game, and I realized I am using Sigil of Force and Sigil of Strength (to compensate lack of mights), and the rests are close enough. I still miss Distortion for gathering :kekw:

Edited: Oh, if you need better defense, I suggest using shield instead of changing stats. It’s usually enough.

Edited August 27, 2022 by godfat.2604