Newholiday.8103 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Unless it's a minuscule amount (100-200 per boon). Even after the slight nerfs to deploy jade sphere, catalyst will still be able to put out huge amounts of boons on itself. It doesn't need any more ways of increasing its already crazy amounts of sustain. And now on a reduced cooldown (from 60s down to 40s). 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 It's not a stun break so this is more of an ability for core to take, cata will most likely still use their blocking barrier skill 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newholiday.8103 Posted February 4, 2023 Author Share Posted February 4, 2023 43 minutes ago, Eddie.9143 said: It's not a stun break so this is more of an ability for core to take, cata will most likely still use their blocking barrier skill It is a stun break. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuko.7132 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: It's not a stun break so this is more of an ability for core to take, cata will most likely still use their blocking barrier skill Definitely a stunbreak. Was the go to stunbreak for ele back in the core days along with arcane shield. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zex Anthon.8673 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 8 hours ago, Newholiday.8103 said: Unless it's a minuscule amount (100-200 per boon). Even after the slight nerfs to deploy jade sphere, catalyst will still be able to put out huge amounts of boons on itself. It doesn't need any more ways of increasing its already crazy amounts of sustain. And now on a reduced cooldown (from 60s down to 40s). What do you expect? CMC is obviously incredibly biased, and after cantrip + staff buffs, this game is quickly turning into which elementalist is the flavor of the month. Despite the scepter nerfs, catalyst is still going to be stupid busted. Hammer wasn't touched, still has stability spam on auras, still practically immune to projectiles. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Zuko.7132 said: Definitely a stunbreak. Was the go to stunbreak for ele back in the core days along with arcane shield. welp shows how long its been since i had it on my bar lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluberblasen.9684 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 I bet they misclicked it. It has to be wvw only and not pvp only. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Zex Anthon.8673 said: What do you expect? CMC is obviously incredibly biased, and after cantrip + staff buffs, this game is quickly turning into which elementalist is the flavor of the month. Despite the scepter nerfs, catalyst is still going to be stupid busted. Hammer wasn't touched, still has stability spam on auras, still practically immune to projectiles. I am usually holding back on these "they are biased" accusations, but at this point it really seems like class bias... Why is elementalist getting another weapon reworked right after their scepter rework, while other classes keep waiting to get their weapons revisited? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kodama.6453 said: I am usually holding back on these "they are biased" accusations, but at this point it really seems like class bias... Why is elementalist getting another weapon reworked right after their scepter rework, while other classes keep waiting to get their weapons revisited? Elementalist had to wait 10 years for scepter changes and half of that for staff change....do please illustrate a profession which has been in the same position. For the first time in 10 years, ele can range combat...for the first time GW2 ele is like GW1 ele. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magizen.7842 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 This is gonna require replacing one of their current utilities for a 40s cd stunbreak. This is a better thing for core, tempest, and weaver... for catalyst it will compete with block+barrier, 25s cd stunbreak+blind, flash/teleport, or earth shield. It will just depend now on how much barrier per boon it will give, I'd say 250 barrier per boon would be balance for Catalyst but that's too low for other Ele specs imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, Magizen.7842 said: This is gonna require replacing one of their current utilities for a 40s cd stunbreak. This is a better thing for core, tempest, and weaver... for catalyst it will compete with block+barrier, 25s cd stunbreak+blind, flash/teleport, or earth shield. It will just depend now on how much barrier per boon it will give, I'd say 250 barrier per boon would be balance for Catalyst but that's too low for other Ele specs imo. Cata already has perma prot nearly and as much stability as anyone needs so really it's not bringing anything new to the table and fortified earth has a shorter cool down, especially if used in earth sphere and probably as much barrier. I really don't like the new direction of stacking skills with so much effects, especially once traited, it used to be steal was a meme for how much you can load onto it and now most abilities are becoming like that. Reducing cool downs and effect duration doesn't make the game high skill, it makes the game much more reaction and speed based. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magizen.7842 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, apharma.3741 said: Cata already has perma prot nearly and as much stability as anyone needs so really it's not bringing anything new to the table and fortified earth has a shorter cool down, especially if used in earth sphere and probably as much barrier. Well ye, I don't think it will be taken by Cata, other specs are more likely to take it that is why it's not a concern but as I said it will simply depend on how much barrier it will give like if it gave 300-400 barrier per boon then I would start having a dilemma if it's worth replacing it over signet of air, block, or earth shield but anything below that simply isn't worth it on any Cata builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zex Anthon.8673 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 As if 10 stacks of stability on a break stun wasnt already good enough. Most of the cantrips were already good. This patch just brings them up to catalyst level. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu.7481 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Elementalist had to wait 10 years for scepter changes and half of that for staff change....do please illustrate a profession which has been in the same position. For the first time in 10 years, ele can range combat...for the first time GW2 ele is like GW1 ele. EZ. engineer had to deal with kitten mainhand pistol (as our ONLY mainhand weapon) for 10 years and counting . ele should rejoice, they getting weapon reworks back to back on weapons that were already pretty good to begin with and saw use. any pistol skill on engi is lucky to land even if u stand right in front of your target... and would u look at that, we have to wait even longer than ele to get anything decent out of our weapons. sure they reworked rifle, but then anet proceeded to screw it over so bad that its damage is worse than it were before the rework. edit: and im gonna stop u right before u tell me that pistol is getting buffed in the next patch. its QoL changes at BEST, they didnt address the horrible hit reg or the crappy dmg pistol have. its not a buff. its an insult Edited February 5, 2023 by Pengu.7481 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silinsar.6298 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Elementalist had to wait 10 years for scepter changes That's just not true. Dragon's Tooth got burning, ground target and a reduced cast time previously. Phoenix wasn't unblockable initially. Shatterstone got some aftercast reduction and damage buffs in the past. Water Trident saw healing buffs and added regeneration. Dust Devil had a cast time and aftercast delay reduction. Rock Barrier also had its aftercast shaved. Each of those changes alone wasn't as decisive as the latest buffs to scepter, but in total they shaved over 2sec of casting time + aftercast delay from its skills, and added some damage and healing. Edited February 6, 2023 by Silinsar.6298 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) On 2/4/2023 at 6:55 PM, Newholiday.8103 said: It doesn't need any more ways of increasing its already crazy amounts of sustain. some people need to understand that Catalyst isnt using Armor of Earth.... it has to drop a utilityskill to take Armor of Earth... Edited February 6, 2023 by Sahne.6950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 No ele is going to give up it’s current utilities for it. Maybe as an alternative to mag aura on a tempest build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 11:41 AM, Zex Anthon.8673 said: As if 10 stacks of stability on a break stun wasnt already good enough. Most of the cantrips were already good. This patch just brings them up to catalyst level. i get that hating ele is ur national pasttime, but none of the cantrips except armor of earth look that good and ull see that post patch, potentially cleansing fire can see some play but probably no build rn can fit it in 25s cleanse no stunbreak is just not good even with charges 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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