Khalisto.5780 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 isn't this class the reason thief as a whole got everything nerfed? I mean, can't have dmg, cuz of daredevil shortbow 5 nerf, humm, cuz of daredevil sustain nerfs, daredevil? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 i guess. daredevil highlighted everything broken on teef by multiplying all its strengths 10x seems to me 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'd nerf teef even without daredevil in sight. Core has a lot of mobility, blinds, teleports, evades, stealth, DD just takes it up a notch. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) HOT TAKE daredevil should have 2 more powerful dodges (either bound or dash) OR 3 normal dodges if you take a GM trait. But you should have to choose: either you use a lot of normal dodges or fewer powerful dodges, not both at the same time. also claiming "daredevil has no damage" is a hot take, I get backstabbed for 7k all the kittening time and that's half my hp bar. Edited June 18, 2023 by Terrorhuz.4695 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said: HOT TAKE daredevil should have 2 more powerful dodges (either bound or dash) OR 3 normal dodges if you take a GM trait. But you should have to choose: either you use a lot of normal dodges or fewer powerful dodges, not both at the same time. also claiming "daredevil has no damage" is a hot take, I get backstabbed for 7k all the kittening time and that's half my hp bar. I mean, it was prolly more, but dmg allied with mobility, 3 dodges and whatever daredevil brings to the table would just be more broken, as it prolly was at somepoint I was not calling nerfs or changes, but yours seems reasonable, also of course +1 initiative cost on HS if it's not in range of a target or the vindicator treatment of halving every vigor source when you equip daredevil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister.5792 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I want the old thief back with over 20k backstab dmg... and 6k Mug dmg... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush in NA.9182 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Nerfing core thief mobility to keep 3 dodges on daredevil was really bad indeed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberzombie.7348 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, CK rimeiller.5014 said: Nerfing core thief mobility to keep 3 dodges on daredevil was really bad indeed Well the balance team always had a habit of nerfing core to balance its' e-specs. Its why acro has been thief's least used traitline since late HoT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 love the daredevil lovers leaving a confused emote on every comment 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) *Laughs in bound* It's too late. y'all missed your chance to kill thief in 2012 by not being able to tolerate core being useful, so now you cannot nerf us in a way that matters or that will stop you from getting annoyed to death by whatever flavor thief players will come up after you throw a dart at a board of skill names on the wiki and claim it's the next problematic thing. Even if you vaguely gesture at an entire spec being the problem (or, as always, [the one thing holding thief back from buffing it so clearly needs that also just happens to be the only thing that is currently useful]), you cannot solve this problem in a way that doesn't render thief useless, and that is not a solution that will persist, because those players deserve to play effectively too. It's over, no matter how many videos you link from 2013. If your balancing aim is to stop thief from bothering you, you will never have it. Edited June 19, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Oh man where have you been to be making this post now lol. These past few months have been more or less me echoing "Told you so" from assessments I've been making since like 2013 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copyright.9082 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said: HOT TAKE daredevil should have 2 more powerful dodges (either bound or dash) OR 3 normal dodges if you take a GM trait. But you should have to choose: either you use a lot of normal dodges or fewer powerful dodges, not both at the same time. also claiming "daredevil has no damage" is a hot take, I get backstabbed for 7k all the kittening time and that's half my hp bar. Just dodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Copyright.9082 said: Just dodge 3 weeks of baiting you, you finally came out of your shell and sent me a notification ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thron Stal.9367 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 There are thiefs in this game?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 What if we nerfed daredevil to only have 50 endurance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said: What if we nerfed daredevil to only have 50 endurance wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXruina.4956 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 18 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: so now you cannot nerf us I always thought you were a warrior main. LIES!! 🥺💔 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, eXruina.4956 said: I always thought you were a warrior main. LIES!! 🥺💔 I have a minor in petty crime and skullduggery. Edited June 19, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedievalThings.5417 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 On 6/18/2023 at 9:44 AM, Khalisto.5780 said: isn't this class the reason thief as a whole got everything nerfed? I mean, can't have dmg, cuz of daredevil shortbow 5 nerf, humm, cuz of daredevil sustain nerfs, daredevil? The problem with daredevil is 3 dodges. And because people refuse to accept that extra dodges should require sigils, like every other spec, everything else gets looked at, adjusted, nerfed to compensate. Thief in general would be in a better place if Anet would figure that out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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