Math comparing old and new dailys

[sos.6510]

Y'all a quick to cry about the loss of the daily login before you even try to compare it, so here it is.

A "season" is 11 weeks/77 days. We will be comparing it to 77 old dailies and 2 full login track+21 days (28+28+21 days)

- Old system :
154 gold 
231 spirit shards
54 mystic coins
95 laurels
36 tome of knowledge
6 transmutation charge
3 celebration booster
4 black lion rng item
231 chests corresponding to the daily you did (reward track potion/mats you collected, etc)

Adding in the final login chest, depending on your choice
If you take laurels, it's bumped to 135
If you take tomes, it's bumped to 48
If you take ascended stuff, 2 vision crystal and 2 to 4 random ascended mats
If you take legendary stuff, 16 obsidian shards and 14 mystic clover

 

- New system :
Without spending astral acclaim
77 gold
110 laurels
11 tome of knowledge
11 celebration booster
And a total of 15095 14825 astral acclaim (77 x 65 + 11 x 770 + 1350) [Edited math mistake]

Now with said astral acclaims, let's start with the choices that correspond to the old daily (aa is short for astral acclaim here)
1500 aa for 150 laurels, totaling 260 laurels. That is 165 more, 125 if you took the laurel chest on the old daily login
1200 aa for 20 mystic clover. That is 6 more (if you took the leg chest)
1000 aa for 20 obsidian shards. That is 4 more (if you took the leg chest)
600 aa for 4 vision crystal. That is 2 more (if you took the ascended chest)
540 aa for 60 mystic coins. That is 6 more
540 aa for 90 golds, totaling 167. That is 13 more
280 aa for 35 tome of knowledge, totaling 46. That is 10 more, 2 less if you took the tome chest
240 aa for 30 transmutation charges. That is 24 more
There are no spirit shards, random ascended mat, or rewards track potions/mats you collected. Ascended mats are offset by the fact you can buy full ascended piece

And with that we're still left with 8925 aa to spend. If you don't want the rest, congrats, you can grab either 223 T5 mats bag, or 297 additional golds.
But let's look at the rest.

Starting with skins, 2525 aa total cost (I'm not sure if the weapon is a one time or infinite buying so i'm gonna go with one time for now)
250 for the emote, 1125 for the 3 sanctified armors, 150 for the weaon, 1000 for the griffon
We still have 6400 so let's keep going

1000 for the legendary kit (that is stupidly worth considering it gives you a precursor, it's gift, and a choice of gift of power or magic)
2000 for both essence of gold (do not pick it. It's useless, period. But let's count it for now as it was technically a thing in the old daily login)
1350 for all the archetype slots augment (these would cost 1100 gems)
1800 for all the ascended pieces (3 armor and a weapon)
 

Total 6250, we still have 150, and the things left are
950 aa for the 10 revive orbs
420 aa for the 12 amelioration extractor (both these and the revive orbs technically offset the 4 black lion rng box, not convinced)
340 aa for the 30 heavy crafting bags
300 aa for the 15 masteries chest

- Closing

This is not a white knighting post, a lot of the critics are quite valid, I wouldn't mind seeing more choice in the dailies or a reroll button, and I also will greatly miss the reward track potions.

But stop for a moment and realize that the baseline system is 100% more rewarding (unless you're a pvp only player than yeah the reward track loss is sad)
This is not a system that shipped and immediatly is in need of a whole rework.
All we'd need would be more dailies to have options (2 would be a good start), reward track potion in the aa shop, and maybe sync dailies between players so we can play together.

Edited August 23, 2023 by sos.6510

[Swoo.5079]

The potions are gone but you get more instant reward track via the pip system.

[Blanche Neige.7241]

I like the vault system. What i dislike is that I am given only 4 dailies and that I MUST do all of them.

I liked the old system better, when I had a choice between a selection of various dailies.

For me, the only thing they need to change in the new system is to give us a wider array of dailies tasks to choose from.

[Finse.8526]

Thanks for the calculations!

It's a very minor thing, but I think some of the items from the Black Lion RNG box are unobtainable through the new system;  the Perfect Black Lion Salvage Kit probably being the most relevant.

[sos.6510]

@Finse.8526 They are, and so are the mystic forge stone, which is why I said that I was not convinced by them giving us access only to res orbs and extrac tool. Hopefully we'll see more choice in future patches, cause Mystic Forge Stone to make the 250 recycling kit are kind of needed

[avater.1746]

17 minutes ago, Blanche Neige.7241 said:

I like the vault system. What i dislike is that I am given only 4 dailies and that I MUST do all of them.

Yeah, I would also prefer more options

[Beleron.9347]

6 minutes ago, sos.6510 said:

@Finse.8526 They are, and so are the mystic forge stone, which is why I said that I was not convinced by them giving us access only to res orbs and extrac tool. Hopefully we'll see more choice in future patches, cause Mystic Forge Stone to make the 250 recycling kit are kind of needed

Mystic Forge Stones come from achievement chests (we still get 10 AP for completing the dailies, so those are unaffected).

[hertigknut.8475]

Old system got me that just by logging in though, not forcing me to do content i dont enjoy doing. 

New system gets me what, 385 astral acclaim?

Edited August 23, 2023 by hertigknut.8475

[Tev.8345]

47 minutes ago, Swoo.5079 said:

The potions are gone but you get more instant reward track via the pip system.

Yes, in WvW. But what about PvP? If you choose all three game modes it seems to me like PvP rewards are worse for you now.

EDIT: especially as you can just choose different game modes, there are no more any incentives for non-PvP players to actually play PvP.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Tev.8345

[vandrefalk.6823]

7 minutes ago, hertigknut.8475 said:

Old system got me that just by logging in though

Which was FAR TOO rewarding for no effort... Good riddance it's gone!

Edited August 23, 2023 by Dondarrion.2748
Typo

[hertigknut.8475]

2 minutes ago, Dondarrion.2748 said:

Which was for TOO rewarding for no effort... Good riddance it's gone!

Getting free stuff really do suck dosen't it ? 

Edited August 23, 2023 by hertigknut.8475

[Axelteas.7192]

i prefer the 54 mystic coins for logging in rather than 60 for having to do dailies

[vandrefalk.6823]

3 minutes ago, hertigknut.8475 said:

Getting free stuff really do suck dosen't it ? 

It's an MMO and there's an economy to take into account... I think a system rewarding free stuff like that needs to go when you have people running dozens of accounts simply to amass login rewards. Now the most rewards will come to active players, not someone who just paid for dozens of copies of the game and is running a launch buddy app to quickly cycle through his 40 accounts on a daily basis before sending all the gold, MCs, etc. to his main account once a month.

[Danikat.8537]

6 minutes ago, Beleron.9347 said:

Mystic Forge Stones come from achievement chests (we still get 10 AP for completing the dailies, so those are unaffected).

You can also buy them from the gem store. I don't think it's worth it most of the time (especially not for the salvage kits) but it is an option.

I wonder if they might add more things to buy later on, either in addition to or instead of some of the current bits.

[sos.6510]

2 minutes ago, hertigknut.8475 said:

Getting free stuff really do suck dosen't it ? 

smh what were the dev thinking making you play a game you paid for

 

For real tho, since you all get sick at the idea of doing dailies, here's more math :

- 11 weeklies is 8470 astral acclaim.
- The entire part about "buying stuff that you use to get from the login" costs 5900

In 8 weeks you can grab all of it. You hate dailies ? Fine, don't do them. Just do your weeklies. You're still getting more stuff in the end.

And if you come here crying about you having to do weeklies, maybe start reconsidering if you're playing GW2 because you enjoy the game, or if it just release serotonin in your brain to get free stuff.

[vandrefalk.6823]

BUT - I do agree that the daily objectives category needs more options added. I like the new system, and the ticking off which objectives/game modes you are interested in, but they should give you ample selection of dailies to choose from, not force you to do 3/3 (ignoring the 1/1 which is simply logging in, as before).

[jokke.6239]

New system also offer gemstore stuff

Build template etc

I assume more options will be rotated in and out

And skins

Mount skins etc

 

I think this is almost a massive improvement, but as long as there is only 4 "choices" it will remain a step back

Fix this as soon as possible ArenaNet

While you're at it, add in the old dailies that took you out into the world

[vandrefalk.6823]

Just now, jokke.6239 said:

I think this is almost a massive improvement, but as long as there is only 4 "choices" it will remain a step back

It's that easy, if they just add a few more options to the Daily tab, people will have a choice of what to do that day. Rewards over time will be greater, just allow people to play however they want, or at least closer to how they want, during a day.

[jokke.6239]

Just now, Dondarrion.2748 said:

It's that easy, if they just add a few more options to the Daily tab, people will have a choice of what to do that day. Rewards over time will be greater, just allow people to play however they want, or at least closer to how they want, during a day.

Yes, I assume the reason there's only 4 missions is so people won't earn to much AA in a day

But they should just have a big list of options and have a cap on how much you can earn in the daily tab each day

[The Boz.2038]

1 hour ago, sos.6510 said:

And a total of 15095 astral acclaim (77 x 65 + 11 x 770 + 1350)

Fail in step 1.

[Nuldric.1239]

1 minute ago, jokke.6239 said:

Yes, I assume the reason there's only 4 missions is so people won't earn to much AA in a day

But they should just have a big list of options and have a cap on how much you can earn in the daily tab each day

exactly what I was thinking, or rest of quests disappears after you complete any 3 of them

[Mistwraithe.3106]

I think the system is fixable. I would say it needs:

• Much more choice available. I would take it back to 4 in each section (PvE, WvW, PvP) and drop the checkboxes to choose which ones you want (all available). They can reduce the AA joined after 4 missions to a smaller number of 0 if they want (or just disable them once you do 4).
• Ability to sync up your dailies with your friends and family. The best way of doing this might be to allow you to nominate your Guild for Dailies (like you can nominate your guild for WvW Alliance betas) and then the system makes sure that everyone in that guild has their dailies presented from the same list (but filtered by the next point so there could still be some differences).
• Dailies from expansions which are further along in the story than where the player is at need to be excluded. I'm only in HoT, some of my family are in Core still, some of us own EoD and SOTO but there is no way we are doing dailies there! We don't want to spoil the story by visiting those maps. This is a big one for me, it used to happen in the old system with HoT and PoF maps sometimes being dailies but it was usually 1 at most and we could work around it, this new system is way worse. It seems like we will never get 4 PvE dailies which can be done only in Core (if you own all expansions) meaning Anet are penalizing us for having supported them by buying expansions.

With those changes the system could be quite good.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Mistwraithe.3106

[sos.6510]

8 minutes ago, The Boz.2038 said:

Fail in step 1.

Oh shoot you right xD

14 825, so 270 less than I used. Not a huge deal in the end, you can still grab most of the store

Edited August 23, 2023 by sos.6510

[ChronoPinoyX.7923]

At best they should've kept the same daily rotation quests from the old system instead of shoving in these nonsensical ones lel

And kept the daily potions for PVP/WVW

[The Boz.2038]

Just now, sos.6510 said:

Oh kitten you right xD

14 825, so 270 less than I used. Not a huge deal in the end, you can still grab most of the store

The math is not the fail. Your choice of numbers to include in the math is the fail.
Why didn't you just include Fractal CM daily into it, too?