senftube.6081 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Still broken and still not any fix from these devs. 5 5 1 16 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, senftube.6081 said: Still broken and still not any fix from these devs. Still useless in non Cele buildouts and wasting stats. 9 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Dont worry Anet will fix celestial by nerfing engineer turrets soon enough. Because thats how Anet balance works. 3 5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burial.1958 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) iT iS bAlaNcEd uashuashdhsuadhsaudhadd. No it is not but yeah ANet doesn't care. Edited October 5, 2023 by Burial.1958 5 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruit.7624 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Hot take. 🔥 If anet removed all boon duration from wvw ( relics runes stats traits) the game will be in a much more healthy state. Some classes will still have a ton of boons but that can be easily adjusted later. What do roamers hate? Perma boon cele tanks. What do zergers hate? Boon blobs. Just remove boon duration, make the use of boons matter rather than just having them up all the time. You can still have hybrid builds, you can still have tanky builds. But having an insane boon uptime when boons are as strong and impactful as they are just makes everything 10000 times worse. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 7 hours ago, senftube.6081 said: Still broken and still not any fix from these devs. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruit.7624 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Burnfall.9573 said: Blarp stronkest kitten ele in deso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Anet just needs to unnerf the boon rips/corrupts. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffynated.5713 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Are you trying to suggest that Celestial having nearly double the total stat points of standard gear is somehow imbalanced? That's just crazy. 2 2 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Ya Yeah.7381 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 It's not the gear it is the boons. 🤐 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizgurk.5639 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Burnfall.9573 said: I always love when people upload videos that were taken months ago... like pre SotO. It's almost ancient already. Don't get me wrong, that build is still strong, I don't deny that. But things like the Antitoxin Rune have changed since then and I'm certain he has a much harder time now dealing with condition spam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vomact.5693 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Devs secretly said me that celestial will be fix as soon as one shot builds and perma stealth will be ... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random dude.5089 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 7:57 AM, senftube.6081 said: Still broken and still not any fix from these devs. your talking to wall in forumsjust don't bother , i understand your frustration , but devs don't care about wvw , otherwise you'll see the most trending exploits being fixed in desert borderland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Random dude.5089 said: you'll see the most trending exploits being fixed in desert borderland You mean like moving the gathering nodes away from the ledge at southeast tower on desert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random dude.5089 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Chaba.5410 said: You mean like moving the gathering nodes away from the ledge at southeast tower on desert? i never gathered nodes in wvw so i don't know, but maybe thats one of them if you say so lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Random dude.5089 said: i never gathered nodes in wvw so i don't know, but maybe thats one of them if you say so lol Oh man, you're missing out on the leather! The joke floating around is that the nodes got moved because a dev got pulled off the ledge while gathering. Pulls nerfed! Edited October 10, 2023 by Chaba.5410 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) Removing or nerfing the concentration and expertise seems to be the obvious answer, but I say keep that and reduce the vit, toughness, and healing. The problem with cele in both game modes is not the damage, but rather you keep decent damage while having a ridiculously high floor. Yes some stats may do more damage, but they become near glass in exchange, with the only real commonly "balanced" stats being marauders and that is nowhere near as tanky as Cele. You can definitely say some builds utilize Cele better than others, and it's more about obnoxious builds than stats. But some classes simply get enabled more by it no matter what and despite what some people think we should not delete classes from WvW. The biggest joke is Cele vs dedicated heal stats. Heal stats have always been lackluster to a degree, but they only heal a bit better than Cele and don't do anything else. The biggest crime of Cele is that it essentially murders all niche stats like heal or boon stats simply due to raw stats. Except minstrel maybe lel but that's its own disaster. It's like I always wondered why people used harriers (power healing concentration) FB in fractals because it provides marginally more healing and boon duration than Cele but does absolutely no damage. On the other hand if you play Cele you are 1/2 to 2/3 an extra dps serving as a healer and break the pve rule of also being extremely tanky. In a few raids you have the exception of toughness aggro but it doesn't exist anywhere else, making a silly gimmick that can be worked around anyways. But they don't care. Because that kind of thing will never show up in speedruns, and the average player plays so far from the skill cap that they'd rather just make the floor higher anyways. So top players groups don't notice. And there really is nobody you can really call a "top roamer" and basically nobody cares about small scale these days. Honestly think they'd rather remove all stats but Celestial because it makes it easier for them to balance. So this is why they're never going to balance Cele, in addition to the fact they almost never balance stats to begin with, balance is centered around pve and WvW zergs. Have you seen them play anything else?** ** Actually I saw not one but two Anet employees playing out of a zerg recently. I guess they're not WvW devs but needless to say that was unusual. Edited October 10, 2023 by ArchonWing.9480 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalekithDG.6124 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 4:58 PM, Deadhead.6947 said: Hot take. 🔥 If anet removed all boon duration from wvw ( relics runes stats traits) the game will be in a much more healthy state. Some classes will still have a ton of boons but that can be easily adjusted later. What do roamers hate? Perma boon cele tanks. What do zergers hate? Boon blobs. Just remove boon duration, make the use of boons matter rather than just having them up all the time. You can still have hybrid builds, you can still have tanky builds. But having an insane boon uptime when boons are as strong and impactful as they are just makes everything 10000 times worse. Can we just nominate this guy for the lead balancing? I want to try this guys vision for a change instead of whatever we have right now which I am sure the seat is empty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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