oatsnjuices.1698 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Simply remove the projectile that blinds from black powder. Edited October 23, 2023 by oatsnjuices.1698 10 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 That should be fair, but I don't know what people need in their builds or for different game modes. Cloaked in Shadow is still an option. If it wouldn't fit into the build optimally that's just a build choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I have suggested removing the smoke field from pistol 5 but thieves for some reason don’t like that very specific change for a single weapon skill. I can’t imagine why 🙄 5 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: I have suggested removing the smoke field from pistol 5 but thieves for some reason don’t like that very specific change for a single weapon skill. I can’t imagine why 🙄 Spread the stealth or the field around, even give it short duration, to other weapons. Or go through and change ancillary traits and modifiers like Panaku's Ambition to require something else. Or keep sniveling about it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, kash.9213 said: Spread the stealth or the field around, even give it short duration, to other weapons. Or go through and change ancillary traits and modifiers like Panaku's Ambition to require something else. Or keep sniveling about it. Fine 🤷♂️ You can make it into a 1s AoE stealth instead. You can even keep the 0s cd. It would still beat the snot out of the scrapper elite skill on 60s. The smoke field can be moved to one of the thief elites instead. Thieves guild should do fine. Edited October 24, 2023 by Dawdler.8521 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Fine 🤷♂️ You can make it into a 1s AoE stealth instead. You can even keep the 0s cd. It would still beat the snot out of the scrapper elite skill on 60s. The smoke field can be moved to one of the thief elites instead. Thieves guild should do fine. Yes add 60sec CD to black powder. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Fine 🤷♂️ You can make it into a 1s AoE stealth instead. You can even keep the 0s cd. It would still beat the snot out of the scrapper elite skill on 60s. The smoke field can be moved to one of the thief elites instead. Thieves guild should do fine. I really wouldn't mind having traits like that changed to sustain off of something else. There just doesn't need to be more unused or half unused weapon sets all of the sudden, especially since there hasn't been new thief offhands through all of the expansion Elites, or the start of a new dead trait pile while Acrobatics has only recently begun to slowly fill out again. I wouldn't want that moved to an Elite since I'm using that kind of stealth to keep up a group consistently. I'm open to your idea of removing the smoke field but it would be great if the idea was finished. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips.7968 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 It can't be an issue, they buffed stealth buffs for thief. So, l2p issue. obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 That sounds like a fair change to blck powder, for once a change that's not just deleting the skill and its purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 4:00 PM, Justine.6351 said: Yes add 60sec CD to black powder. Lol case and point^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said: Lol case and point^^^^ Sounds like you just want the game to play itself. Case and point... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Justine.6351 said: Sounds like you just want the game to play itself. Case and point... They're not asking for an opponents skill to be changed to suddenly have a 60s cooldown on top of already costing 6 initiative. They were however open to changing the skill, so I'm confused by that take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, kash.9213 said: They're not asking for an opponents skill to be changed to suddenly have a 60s cooldown on top of already costing 6 initiative. They were however open to changing the skill, so I'm confused by that take. L2p issue kid. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Justine.6351 said: L2p issue kid. So you're asking for a handicap but it's their l2p issue? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 hours ago, kash.9213 said: So you're asking for a handicap but it's their l2p issue? They also need to put a cooldown on heartseeker. Thieves shouldn't be carried by spamming 10k damage while also getting free stealth. If putting 60sec cd on these two skills suddenly makes a thief not good then it is revealing just how much l2p applies to them. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome.9841 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Stealthing should not be possible that easy while in combat. Only before entering fight for weapon or utility skills, if in a fight only with elite skills. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Justine.6351 said: They also need to put a cooldown on heartseeker. Thieves shouldn't be carried by spamming 10k damage while also getting free stealth. If putting 60sec cd on these two skills suddenly makes a thief not good then it is revealing just how much l2p applies to them. Do something with damage and maybe take out the black powder and adjust something else on it. Really if you need to put a full minute cooldown on top of the Initiative cost then you're shutting down a skill instead of balancing it. It's revealing about you that so far, that the thief players have been open to ideas and changes while you're here asking special treatment. Edited October 27, 2023 by kash.9213 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I am still of the minds that leap in smoke field should be an "smoke aura" combo (i think all leaps should be self auras) and not an stealth. Only blast should be stealth something you can counter if you simply stand in there smoke field (all be it applying blind or other effects for risk reward of use.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 hours ago, kash.9213 said: Do something with damage and maybe take out the black powder and adjust something else on it. Really if you need to put a full minute cooldown on top of the Initiative cost then you're shutting down a skill instead of balancing it. It's revealing about you that so far, that the thief players have been open to ideas and changes while you're here asking special treatment. Yeah yo'ur right. Instead of 60 second cooldowns they could make them 30 like other weapon skills and compensate by removing the blind bullet from black powder and the leap finisher from heartseeker. This would both make them competitive and enforce they're intended function. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Got to love how people latched on to 60s cd on black powder when I was talking how black powder with a mere 1s fixed AoE stealth, no smoke field and 0s cd would still beat the snot out of the scrapper elite sneak gyro which is on 60s cd, lol. Edited October 27, 2023 by Dawdler.8521 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khenzy.9348 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/23/2023 at 3:41 AM, oatsnjuices.1698 said: Simply remove the projectile that blinds from black powder. This should have been implemented a long time ago, this aprticular change would actually be very significant. Good suggestion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilightzone.7452 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Throw target painter and then watch it run. Congrats you just won the fight 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 It's the pulsing blind that is the issue. Smoke fields are fine, it is ok that some classes combo stealth with themselves; what becomes issue is the blinds that are generated and the most egregious to me is as I just mentioned, the pulses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferus.3165 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 2:57 PM, Dawdler.8521 said: I have suggested removing the smoke field from pistol 5 but thieves for some reason don’t like that very specific change for a single weapon skill. I can’t imagine why 🙄 it would be much easier if this skill would have an actual cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 8 hours ago, Twilightzone.7452 said: Throw target painter and then watch it run. Congrats you just won the fight *Throws target painter at teef, gets stuck on grass/teef teleports out/doesn't hit kitten because of desyn/teef doesn't give a kitten and still can stealth* Wow, such solution, such not working, wowow. Delete stealth and teefs from game, problem solved for everyone. 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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