Eddbopkins.2630 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 It does have a lot. It doesn't need an invuln with all the blocks it can use. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Eddbopkins.2630 said: It does have a lot. It doesn't need an invuln with all the blocks it can use. ahah an invuln that resets the block, leap, and pull! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 You know what actually is broken? Deadeye! Hard dmg on range. Multiple port options (rifle and utility Skill). Stealth Spam. Mutiple stunbrakes (2 utility skills). As a full melee class there is litterly no hecking way to deal with this. Basicly cause most CCs are doing 0 dmg outputt and in that way doesn't rly punish this spec for doing mistakes...... just insane. But i gues all meta builds are rn Like this. Waayyys too easy to Play. Just get this crappy Meta builds Finaly turned down lmao xd 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, Eddie.9143 said: needs adjustment. anyone who disagrees is probably playing it rn I know a few Engi mains in Plat2 that would disagree with you. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I donno I don't really think dh is broken at all, their kinda one trick ponies that arnt even that tanky due to most building for all burst. Expect spear and if their on node a and u didn't see them drop traps assume they are already laid and that the cds on them are already or close to resetting. Avoid being pulled into them via spear, gs or axe and they really can't do much to u. True shot is so identifiable by its cast time and animation that unless ur cc'd or have 0 dodges u really shouldn't get hit by it. If someone doesn't learn how to counter dh their burst can be insane but it's so predictable it's not really op. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Eddie.9143 said: can't hit from a distance because of terrain, can't fight close up cause you'll eat 20k damage in a millisecond. Yeah having the game become a spam target DH or gg angle is very oppressive (roamer pov after seeing dh traps 1v4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Crab.6054 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: I know a few Engi mains in Plat2 that would disagree with you. Scrapper mains? It's broken as well. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Myror.7521 said: You know what actually is broken? Deadeye! Hard dmg on range. Multiple port options (rifle and utility Skill). Stealth Spam. Mutiple stunbrakes (2 utility skills). As a full melee class there is litterly no hecking way to deal with this. Basicly cause most CCs are doing 0 dmg outputt and in that way doesn't rly punish this spec for doing mistakes...... just insane. But i gues all meta builds are rn Like this. Waayyys too easy to Play. Just get this crappy Meta builds Finaly turned down lmao xd Have you tried playing DE against good players who use terrain, ports, and good intuition to guess where you are? DE is strong but you'll die instantly if u goof 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said: I donno I don't really think dh is broken at all, their kinda one trick ponies that arnt even that tanky due to most building for all burst. Expect spear and if their on node a and u didn't see them drop traps assume they are already laid and that the cds on them are already or close to resetting. Avoid being pulled into them via spear, gs or axe and they really can't do much to u. True shot is so identifiable by its cast time and animation that unless ur cc'd or have 0 dodges u really shouldn't get hit by it. If someone doesn't learn how to counter dh their burst can be insane but it's so predictable it's not really op. Better not see u getting clapped by them tonight 🤣 Edited December 28, 2023 by Eddie.9143 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I just think it's really funny that all it takes is a moderate amount of aegis and a bunch of skills that activate when someone walks on them for a class to be effective, but somehow there are still ineffective classes. Iunno, I just think that's kind of endearing at this point. Might be Stockholm syndrome setting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderzShadow.2506 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Myror.7521 said: You know what actually is broken? Deadeye! Hard hitting ranged damage, multiple port options (rifle and utility Skill), stealth spam and multiple stun breaks (2 utility skills). As a full melee class there is no way to deal with this. Most CCs are doing 0 dmg and DE's aren't punished for their mistakes. It's just insane. I guess all meta builds are like this. They are too easy to play. ^ Fixed Do you think that Deadeyes are that dominant against all classes? I dont have an issue with them with my 2 mains, Scrapper and Druid. If I go into the thief forums right now and ask them how they think DE is in PvP, I dont think even a small minority will agree with you. Also, if we are going by what metabattle considers Meta, Deadeye isn't considered 'Meta'. https://metabattle.com/wiki/PvP_Builds Its not even in the 'Meta', 'Great' or 'Good' categories. Maybe its Meta in Bronze? Edited December 29, 2023 by EnderzShadow.2506 gramar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderzShadow.2506 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: 2 blocks, 2 leap heals, reveal, pull, a lock in, traps, invuln, 8k-10k crits on hammer, 8k crits on longbow. passive condi removal, perma resolution, can't hit from a distance because of terrain, can't fight close up cause you'll eat 20k damage in a millisecond. needs adjustment. anyone who disagrees is probably playing it rn Did Dragon Hunters get buffed in the last 5 years? They were gimmicky then and they are gimmicky now. Can the damage be insane? Sure. But most of it is avoidable. There is a reason it is not Meta or even listed on metabattle at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 47 minutes ago, EnderzShadow.2506 said: Did Dragon Hunters get buffed in the last 5 years? They were gimmicky then and they are gimmicky now. Can the damage be insane? Sure. But most of it is avoidable. There is a reason it is not Meta or even listed on metabattle at all. Metabattle hasn't followed the last 3 patches, they're behind, relic selections suck too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuriGashi.5617 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotejjeken.1267 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Last Crab.6054 said: Scrapper mains? It's broken as well. Scrapper and Holo are both really strong atm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellhunter.9675 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 14 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: ahah an invuln that resets the block, leap, and pull! It doesn't reset pull. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myror.7521 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 @EnderzShadow.2506 nah metabattle is simply not ubdated. Also Thiefs always saying their class underperforms thats not rly too new xd. Buut as I just said all Builds that are actually in the meta are too easy to play. To me DE is just only the most annoying one (aside scrapper of course) to Fight cause of tha reason i said in that sentence^^. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Dh is good again? Oh word, send me the build link then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assolador.3598 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 bro fr its not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamble.4580 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, EnderzShadow.2506 said: ^ Fixed Do you think that Deadeyes are that dominant against all classes? I dont have an issue with them with my 2 mains, Scrapper and Druid. If I go into the thief forums right now and ask them how they think DE is in PvP, I dont think even a small minority will agree with you. Also, if we are going by what metabattle considers Meta, Deadeye isn't considered 'Meta'. https://metabattle.com/wiki/PvP_Builds Its not even in the 'Meta', 'Great' or 'Good' categories. Maybe its Meta in Bronze? DE is hard meta. Leg lvl. Metabattle is out of date by months. Thats why DH is meta in ranked purely to play into the DE. For MAT and AT u dont take dh cus its to week in real 5v5 and DE is 100% meta for 5v5 as it hard counters support grd Edited December 29, 2023 by Gamble.4580 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 10 hours ago, Spellhunter.9675 said: It doesn't reset pull. resets the reveal and all those baked in actives, so w/e 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 9 hours ago, Kuya.6495 said: Dh is good again? Oh word, send me the build link then if u cant build out DH you shouldn't be playing it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuya.6495 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, Eddie.9143 said: if u cant build out DH you shouldn't be playing it. I guess I could just randomly press buttons since according to you that seems to be enough to trigger you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderzShadow.2506 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 11 hours ago, Gamble.4580 said: DE is hard meta. Leg lvl. Metabattle is out of date by months. Thats why DH is meta in ranked purely to play into the DE. For MAT and AT u dont take dh cus its to week in real 5v5 and DE is 100% meta for 5v5 as it hard counters support grd Is there anything I can reliably go by then? I wish it was public what classes are played and how often in the top 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderzShadow.2506 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 15 hours ago, Myror.7521 said: @EnderzShadow.2506 nah metabattle is simply not ubdated. Also Thiefs always saying their class underperforms thats not rly too new xd. Buut as I just said all Builds that are actually in the meta are too easy to play. To me DE is just only the most annoying one (aside scrapper of course) to Fight cause of tha reason i said in that sentence^^. Ok fair enough. How do you guys get an idea of what are good builds (in the meta)? I don't have time to watch loads of streamers. When I go to reddit, guildwars main is pve kitten and the gw2 pvp page is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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