World Restructuring

Voltekka.2375 · April 23, 2018

@Warrior.5347 said:
@Diku.2546 said:
@Voltekka.2375 said:
@"Jumpin Lumpix.6108" said:I will def be quitting wvw once this is implemented and I play quite a bit. Too bad but I just don't want to play without server cohesion and guilds/alliances don't cut it, especially if I don't get into any.

Are you, perchance, on BG?

Guilds/Alliances used in this design would allow the highest form of Match-Up Manipulation...which kills a competitive game mode in the long term.

Anet is going down the wrong path with this "complex" re-vamp of WvW that will regretfully be painful to modify or upgrade later.

I Agree with Jumpin.Lumpix.6108 that Guilds/Alliances don't cut it, but over-stacked server that's been entitled to the # 1 WvW Rank position for over the past 5 years doesn't cut it too.

If you look at my past posts (I've made 11 in total so far - including this post)...I'm providing an alternative that

FIXES the Top 3 Chronic Problems of WvW since it ORIGINALLY launched which are:

Reduce the direct impact of Server stacking to Match-Ups
Allow friends & family to play together from many different Worlds
Allow Off-peak capping, but let players to work out a solution themselves

I'll strongly advocate for a Pure King of the Hill design for both NA & EU servers through the re-purposing of an already existing game mechanice (Server-Guesting).

The re-purpose & re-design basically removes the flawed Fixed Tiers from the WvW game mode that's been at the heart of the problem since the game originally launched.

We need to make a "BG-Ranked" server into a highly rewarded WvW destination for all players to want to attack, but with weekly limits on How Many & Which servers players can fight on.

Let players pick their own match-ups on who they want to fight, but also have players deal directly with the consequence of their choices (i.e. Long waiting queues).

Once a "BG-Ranked" server get tired of being the weekly pinata...they're allowed to fall in rank...where a different server will rise to take its place.

A Pure King of the Hill match-up design naturally cycles this coveted # 1 Ranked WvW position without heavy coding. Tear down the Fixed Tiers!

Any Server that wants to be Ranked # 1 has to earn it by fighting All others servers for this weekly privilege.

Without a Fixed Tier....no server is "Forced" into an unfair Match-Up with a "BG-Ranked" server that predictably turns into a meaningless no-win battle that gets boring.

Imagine where servers Don't Have to Tank anymore. NO TANK FOR YOU!!!

Let the 800 pound gorilla in the room stand on their own blood, sweat, and Tiers.

Pun intended above. :)

WvW needs this simple change to allow it to be a competitive game mode that allows players to be emotionally vested in a stable & persistent "team' server.

ANet...you're throwing away your opportunity to be the Owner for ALL the eSport Teams for an annual SuperBowl event where you also own the equipment, training fields, and special event venues. What are you thinking?

Yours truly,Diku

p.s.Any Vote for Helpful or Thumbs Up would be appreciated to help tell ANet they should re-consider their Work In Progress before it's too late.

No Soup For You

Can you elaborate on why you think Alliances won't cut it? Because my reasoning is stacked alliances will only vs other stacked alliances in the ideal system. An alliance would be hard pressed to tank unless they unclaim WvW status which I don't see any reason to tank, to beat on PvXers?

You system still brings with it the need to stack servers in order to overtake the #1 seed, like JQ, TC, SoS rose to compete with BG and where are they now? It still leaves the door open for server drama and exodus. Sounds like more server manipulation to me and the headache to research, recruit, and retain guilds for time zones and purposes still prevailing if a server wants to overtake stacked servers. Also while dealing with server caps. Bottom servers are still gonna bottom then propelled at the whim of WvW guilds who deem their server greener then abandoned when it's not.

BG is an anomaly in which all WvWers bandwagon to due to it's early and constant success, thus making it a perpetual WvW server with a higher WvW population. It would be hardpressed for hardcore WvW guilds to find and cultivate a server like BG again in my opinion because history hasn't been kind i.e. JQ, TC, SoS.

And this is the disparity and why hugely populated servers dont want change

https://imgur.com/a/jDB318R

Voltekka.2375 · April 23, 2018

@Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
@Warrior.5347 said:
@Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:I will def be quitting wvw once this is implemented and I play quite a bit. Too bad but I just don't want to play without server cohesion and guilds/alliances don't cut it, especially if I don't get into any.

Can you elaborate as to why it doesn't cut it? I see wild statements made on something that hasn't even happened yet without any reason behind it. Perhaps that's the doomsday mentality that happens with any change. You want server cohesion because you are some lonely/antisocial pug/roamer. Parden my assumption since you mentioned "especially if you don't get into any", which I don't see why not unless you are just super annoying and headlined no guild wants you, thus you depend on a server.

BG has a high concentration of spvp, players (good players in my opinion since spvp requires the most skill). For me personally, i feel like the wvw community is not one i really like to socialize with, and I feel this is true on every server I have seen. So once we eliminate the familiarity I have with the few people I'm ok with (removing server cohesion) and the fact that now I'm going to be forced to play with people of other servers (which will not be skilled spvp players on the whole), it will make wvw insufferable for me, because then I will be dealing with people I don't want to socialize with and whom are not all that great at pvp in my opinion. This will completely turn me off to wvw. Now i get it that people will simply say its because I want to win - Honestly I really just like playing with people who don't make very many mistakes when they play, as that affects my enjoyment of the game mode since its a team activity.

You can call it elitism or whatever else but its just not enjoyable, and I like it that our unorganized pugs are so devastating due to simply having player skill. BG wipes plenty of times so I dont really mind losing, I wouldn't even mind if we get trounced but, playing with people i don't know whom will be of the same attitude of people i already currently play with and dislike, plus now they aren't all that great, its just going to turn me off to the game mode completely. I have seen BG wipe much larger squads, sometimes even multiple zerg squads that are 2v1ing and its not because "BG is stacked' that, thats occuring. Its because the people on BG are more skilled and they play a lot of Spvp. I get that you want to break it up, and maybe that will work, maybe it won't, but for me its going to be a huge downgrade in gameplay, and the real reason they want to break up BG isn't because it has premier coverage 24/7 (maybe this used to be the case, but it isn't anymore), its because it has a high concentration of good players that know what they are doing and other servers don't like it.

One of the reasons I know this is true is because 2 of BG's top raiding guilds recently joined another server that we now fight against, and they continuously lose against BG Zergs, even with those top BG raiding guild commanders commanding the other servers zergs, even when its an even match in terms of zerg sizes, or if their zerg is slightly larger then BG's, the other servers are still wiping fairly consistently, all because the skill of BG pugs is simply higher on the whole. This is all the proof I need that its a skill issue and not a coverage issue.

Frankly if 24/7 coverage was the issue and other servers are upset about BG's ability to get PPT's and thus the weekly scoring and server tier placement, none of that has to do with zvz which is all that people really care about in wvw. You don't even get anything for winning the weekly matchup against other severs. As a testament to how little they care about who actually wins the weekly matchup, this change to servers that they are proposing, will make the mechanic of which server is #1 all but irrelevant anyways, so it shows how little people care about this mechanic in general already, despite saying that the sole reason for this change is to break up BG's 24/7 coverage so that BG dosen't get all those PPT's and get rank 1 on the server leaderboard. None of this is the issue at hand, that people are upset about when it comes to BG, the real issue is the concentration of skilled players that nobody dare talk about, not that its ranked as #1 on the wvw scoreboard.

I dunno what the solution is, part of me feels like they should just redo wvw completely, because i get that people don't like fighting BG. The flip side however is that making servers generic so that it becomes a non-cohesive empty (as in hollow) game mode like doing pve meta events currently are, + getting rid of all acquaintances that might not be in my guild that I am used to seeing and working together with, and now ontop of the fact that I will be playing with other guilds that I have fought against, some of which i absolutely disdain. + my impression of the fact that other servers are just not as skilled and ill have to play with players who make careless mistakes over and over, which gets old; from a selfish me point of view (as I can only speak for myself, but I have seen others echo my sentiments) it will make my gameplay much less fun then it currently is, and I just don't see the point of continuing playing once they change it.