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Azure The Heartless.3261

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@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:I think it's something like:

S Tier:
  • Mesmer (Chronomancer, Mirage)

A Tier
  • Necro (Scourge)

B Tier
  • Warrior (SpellBreaker)
  • Warrior (Core)
  • Engineer (HoloSmith)
  • Guardian (DragonHunter)
  • Guardian (FireBrand)
  • Thief (Deadeye)
  • Ranger(Druid)
  • Ranger(SoulBeast)

C Tier
  • Thief(Daredevil)
  • Necro (Reaper)
  • Mesmer (Core)
  • Warrior (Berserker)
  • Revenant (Power Herald ONLY)
  • Elementalist (Tempest)
  • Thief (Core)
  • Guardian (Core)

D Tier
  • Elementalist (Weaver)
  • Elementalist (Core)
  • Ranger(Core)
  • Engineer(Core)
  • Engineer(Scrapper)

F Tier
  • Necro (Core)
  • Revenant (Non-power Herald Builds)
  • Revenant (Renegade)
  • Revenant (Core)

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I would rate core thief, scrapper, and weaver a tier higher.

Renegade In its own tier below F.

Extremely accurate? lmao. Putting soulbeast and deadeye into the same tier as spellbreaker, holo, and druid?! Deadeye aboe daredevil? Core guard below DH?

Core thief in C tier instead of A?

Looks like silver 1 is leaking.

I noticed all of those things as well. Also Scrapper is too low. Core Mesmer too high, is in no way on the same level as acro-SD core thief, should go to F tier- only Mesmer Elite specs are currently 400% better than their base profession.

Below average accuracy tier list :anguished:

/shrug

I don't play every build for every spec, and I sure don't play them all at a high level. I took a crack at rating based largely on my interactions with those classes and what I've spectated, so there's bound to be inaccuracies.I'm not putting core mesmer in F tier just because its elite specs are miles better in relation to any other core-elite class pairing though, lmao. It works vs several builds still, so I left it in C.

I stand by my ranking for Deadeye, Core Guard, and Soulbeast, though. There are variants of these classes that resemble their cores but are slightly better when you substitute elite traitlines/mechanics. I agree with weaver being higher, and perhaps core thief, but not scrapper, not until I confirm they're less glitchy.

Not all Deadeyes carry rifles, not all Soulbeasts carry dagger, and not all Dragonhunters carry longbow. I attempted to account for situations where elite spec traitlines applied to what would otherwise be a core build made the classes perform better on average. :3

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@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:I think it's something like:

S Tier:

  • Mesmer (Chronomancer, Mirage)

A Tier

  • Necro (Scourge)

B Tier

  • Warrior (SpellBreaker)
  • Warrior (Core)
  • Engineer (HoloSmith)
  • Guardian (DragonHunter)
  • Guardian (FireBrand)
  • Thief (Deadeye)
  • Ranger(Druid)
  • Ranger(SoulBeast)

C Tier

  • Thief(Daredevil)
  • Necro (Reaper)
  • Mesmer (Core)
  • Warrior (Berserker)
  • Revenant (Power Herald ONLY)
  • Elementalist (Tempest)
  • Thief (Core)
  • Guardian (Core)

D Tier

  • Elementalist (Weaver)
  • Elementalist (Core)
  • Ranger(Core)
  • Engineer(Core)
  • Engineer(Scrapper)

F Tier

  • Necro (Core)
  • Revenant (Non-power Herald Builds)
  • Revenant (Renegade)
  • Revenant (Core)

I lolled. DH is awful, it's no where near comparable to FB. I'd move power herald to B-tier and move Holo, Firebrand up to A. Move core guard to B and DH down to D.Core thief is also A-tier as it's used in almost every comp ever.

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@"czerwoni.9563" said:no i do not care what class is what, i just want to know where people are finding the information on what class is where in the tier list. i see people saying oh this is S class and that is C class etc and when i ask where they get the info i get this response "get gud nab".

Nothing more than personal opinions based on their own skill and what others tell them.

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@sephiroth.4217 said:

@"czerwoni.9563" said:no i do not care what class is what, i just want to know where people are finding the information on what class is where in the tier list. i see people saying oh this is S class and that is C class etc and when i ask where they get the info i get this response "get gud nab".

Nothing more than personal opinions based on their own skill and what others tell them.

LOL 2 to 4 years omg you made my day

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@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:I think it's something like:

S Tier:

  • Mesmer (Chronomancer, Mirage)

A Tier

  • Necro (Scourge)

B Tier

  • Warrior (SpellBreaker)
  • Warrior (Core)
  • Engineer (HoloSmith)
  • Guardian (DragonHunter)
  • Guardian (FireBrand)
  • Thief (Deadeye)
  • Ranger(Druid)
  • Ranger(SoulBeast)

C Tier

  • Thief(Daredevil)
  • Necro (Reaper)
  • Mesmer (Core)
  • Warrior (Berserker)
  • Revenant (Power Herald ONLY)
  • Elementalist (Tempest)
  • Thief (Core)
  • Guardian (Core)

D Tier

  • Elementalist (Weaver)
  • Elementalist (Core)
  • Ranger(Core)
  • Engineer(Core)
  • Engineer(Scrapper)

F Tier

  • Necro (Core)
  • Revenant (Non-power Herald Builds)
  • Revenant (Renegade)
  • Revenant (Core)

I'd swap guardian dragonhunter and guardian core tbh dragonhunter isn't very good at all in spvp unless you're up against new people

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My take on the list, with things I just don't see at all in platinum trimmed. This is from a PvP league perspective, not an AT perspective. I feel like support in general is weaker in solo queue on league which is why Firebrand is dropped down a peg. In AT's Firebrand is absolutely A tier. . Really, just don't see Scourge as that much of an outlier over the rest of A tier to seperate it.

S Tier:

  • Mesmer (Chronomancer, Mirage)

A Tier

  • Necro (Scourge)
  • Ranger(Druid)
  • Thief (Core)
  • Warrior (SpellBreaker)
  • Engineer (HoloSmith)

B Tier

  • Guardian (Core)
  • Ranger(SoulBeast)
  • Thief (Deadeye)
  • Guardian (FireBrand)

C Tier

  • Guardian (DragonHunter)
  • Thief(Daredevil)
  • Necro (Reaper)
  • Engineer(Scrapper)

D Tier

  • Revenant (Power Herald )
  • Elementalist (Weaver)
  • Elementalist (Tempest)

F Tier

  • Revenant (Renegade)
  • Warrior (Berserker)
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S++

  • Chrono

S+

  • Mirage

S

  • Scourge

A

  • Firebrand
  • Holo
  • Spellbreaker
  • Core Thief

B

  • Daredevil
  • Druid
  • Deadeye

C

  • DH
  • Herald
  • Core Guard
  • Berserker
  • Core Warr
  • Soulbeast
  • Scrapper
  • Reaper
  • Tempest
  • Weaver

D

  • Renegade
  • Remaining core specs

In an ideal world everything is either A or B tier where A tier classes are meta and B tier classes are almost just as strong but don't have a role in the meta . Anything S and above needs to be nerfed, harsher nerfs for each additional +.

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Ultra Instinct ( Infinity)

  • Chronomancer

Super Sayan God Blue ( 1.000.000.000 )

  • Mirage

Super Sayan III ( 100.000.000 )

  • Spellbreaker
  • Scourge

Super Sayan II ( 10.000.000 )

  • Holosmith
  • Firebrand
  • Druid
  • Core Warrior

Super Sayan ( 1.000.000 )

  • Weaver
  • Thief
  • Herald

Ascended Sayan ( 500.000)

  • Soulbeast
  • Tempest
  • DragonHunter

Low class Sayan ( 100.000 )

  • Reaper
  • Scrapper
  • Berseker
  • Core d/d ele
  • Core ranger

Trained Human (30.000)

  • Renegade
  • Core necro

The difference in power between tiers is stupidly huge like a super sayan god can literally down 10-20 Trained humans with little effort if any

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My list (based on personal experience / watching and participating in ATs and ranked, last UGO)Maybe the upcoming EU UGO will prove me wrong though.I might miss a thing here and there or misplace a thing but generally is:

S+: (game breaking)

  • Condition mirage
  • Bunker chronomancer

S: (meta defining)

  • Core thief
  • Spellbreaker rampage
  • Holosmith

A: (top tier)

  • Scourge curses
  • Firebrand support
  • Druid

B: (shy of top tier)

  • Revenant power shiro
  • Scourge blood
  • D/p daredevil
  • shatter mirage

C: (good builds)

  • Deadeye rifle
  • Core guard burst
  • daredevil condition (s/d)
  • scrapper bunker
  • Power reaper
  • Core axe warrior
  • Soulbeast
  • Weaver bunker

D : (nieche builds)

  • Deadeye pistols
  • weaver freshair
  • Dragonhunter
  • Revenant condition herald
  • Support tempest

F (extreme nieche and normally not viable)

  • Everything not mentioned above.
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Out performing:

Mesmer chronoScourge

Optimal:

Core thiefFB support (on the line of being out performing)DruidSBHoloMirage (again, on the line of being out performing)

Viable:

DH and core guardianReaperDeadeyePower revScrapperBeast masterOne shot weaver

There other builds that are weak, but do work if there is no scourge on the enemy team, like sword weaver. Then there are builds that should never set foot in sPvP, like renegade or any condi based build, except scourge and Mesmer variants.

If anyone is new to the game, I recommend scourge. Not as face roll as it used to be, but all you need to do is stick with your team and spam shade skills on point.

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@sephiroth.4217 said:

@"czerwoni.9563" said:no i do not care what class is what, i just want to know where people are finding the information on what class is where in the tier list. i see people saying oh this is S class and that is C class etc and when i ask where they get the info i get this response "get gud nab".

Nothing more than personal opinions based on their own skill and what others tell them.

Looooooool. Show me a renegade, berserker (among dozen of builds) that can remotely function against a competent team.

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@"czerwoni.9563" said:no i do not care what class is what, i just want to know where people are finding the information on what class is where in the tier list. i see people saying oh this is S class and that is C class etc and when i ask where they get the info i get this response "get gud nab".

Nothing more than personal opinions based on their own skill and what others tell them.

Looooooool. Show me a renegade, berserker (among dozen of builds) that can remotely function against a competent team.

I love how your grasping at straws with renegade but unfortunately for you this discussion is about tiers and not the functionality of builds.You can clearly see in the thread everyone opinion differs which comes back to my original comment.Your own personal list is a prime example on how it differs to others, so my point is proven.

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@mortrialus.3062 said:

@alez.2137 said:A: MesmerB: Power specs with high mobilityC: Condi specs with high mobilityD : Bunkers Firebrand / DruidE: Rest of power specsF: Rest of condi specs

Scourge is a condi spec with terrible mobility. It ain't anywhere near bottom tier.

Well, thats your opinion, I put lower because:

  • it has no mobility.
  • almost no cc, just 2 1,25s and with horn 1 2s.
  • while is true it has aoe that at the end of the match can be a respectable dmg quantity, in 1v1 is not specially high, to do moderate dmg u need to use almost all cds.
  • it cannot do 1v2, not to talk 1v3 that other professions can (I dont mean they win 1v3, but can use the enviroment and their inmunity mechanism to troll a group of 2, 3 players and stay alive for much, much longer than a necro would).
  • it does not heal as expected, I've seen matches in which a warrior (that use demoliser amulet = no healing stat) does more (self) healing than the necro with sage.
  • it has barriers but no inmunity
  • it cannot carry
  • ...
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@alez.2137 said:A: MesmerB: Power specs with high mobilityC: Condi specs with high mobilityD : Bunkers Firebrand / DruidE: Rest of power specsF: Rest of condi specs

Scourge is a condi spec with terrible mobility. It ain't anywhere near bottom tier.

Well, thats your opinion, I put lower because:
  • it has no mobility.
  • almost no cc, just 2 1,25s and with horn 1 2s.
  • while is true it has aoe that at the end of the match can be a respectable dmg quantity, in 1v1 is not specially high, to do moderate dmg u need to use almost all cds.
  • it cannot do 1v2, not to talk 1v3 that other professions can (I dont mean they win 1v3, but can use the enviroment and their inmunity mechanism to troll a group of 2, 3 players and stay alive for much, much longer than a necro would).
  • it does not heal as expected, I've seen matches in which a warrior (that use demoliser amulet = no healing stat) does more (self) healing than the necro with sage.
  • it has barriers but no inmunity
  • it cannot carry
  • ...

If you're trying to play a Scourge like a Mesmer or Spellbreaker, yeah you're going to have a bad time. But Scourge is straight up the single best team fighter in the entire game. What it does is win 2v2s, 3v3s, and 4v4s. Hard. It absolutely has carry potential when it wins every team fight the entire match. Scourge being F tier is pure goofballery.

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@sephiroth.4217 said:

@"czerwoni.9563" said:no i do not care what class is what, i just want to know where people are finding the information on what class is where in the tier list. i see people saying oh this is S class and that is C class etc and when i ask where they get the info i get this response "get gud nab".

Nothing more than personal opinions based on their own skill and what others tell them.

Looooooool. Show me a renegade, berserker (among dozen of builds) that can remotely function against a competent team.

I love how your grasping at straws with renegade but unfortunately for you this discussion is about tiers and not the functionality of builds.You can clearly see in the thread everyone opinion differs which comes back to my original comment.Your own personal list is a prime example on how it differs to others, so my point is proven.

I like how you differentiate between “functionality” and “tiers” as if they are two different things. And I read most posts in this thread, and most of them consistently rate Mesmer, scourge and FB clearly ahead of everything else. There is a thread with 22 pages regarding Mesmer performance. That was imaginary, right?

We may disagree wither holo, Druid or SB are out performing, but there is no question that the balance since PoF has been shit and Anet is so fucking slow to fix anything.

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@BeLZedaR.4790 said:My list (based on personal experience / watching and participating in ATs and ranked, last UGO)Maybe the upcoming EU UGO will prove me wrong though.I might miss a thing here and there or misplace a thing but generally is:

S+: (game breaking)

  • Condition mirage
  • Bunker chronomancer

S: (meta defining)

  • Core thief
  • Spellbreaker rampage
  • Holosmith

A: (top tier)

  • Scourge curses
  • Firebrand support
  • Druid

B: (shy of top tier)

  • Revenant power shiro
  • Scourge blood
  • D/p daredevil
  • shatter mirage

C: (good builds)

  • Deadeye rifle
  • Core guard burst
  • daredevil condition (s/d)
  • scrapper bunker
  • Power reaper
  • Core axe warrior
  • Soulbeast
  • Weaver bunker

D : (nieche builds)

  • Deadeye pistols
  • weaver freshair
  • Dragonhunter
  • Revenant condition herald
  • Support tempest

F (extreme nieche and normally not viable)

  • Everything not mentioned above.

This is the most accurate tier list IMO

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@otto.5684 said:

@"czerwoni.9563" said:no i do not care what class is what, i just want to know where people are finding the information on what class is where in the tier list. i see people saying oh this is S class and that is C class etc and when i ask where they get the info i get this response "get gud nab".

Nothing more than personal opinions based on their own skill and what others tell them.

Looooooool. Show me a renegade, berserker (among dozen of builds) that can remotely function against a competent team.

I love how your grasping at straws with renegade but unfortunately for you this discussion is about tiers and not the functionality of builds.You can clearly see in the thread everyone opinion differs which comes back to my original comment.Your own personal list is a prime example on how it differs to others, so my point is proven.

I like how you differentiate between “functionality” and “tiers” as if they are two different things. And I read most posts in this thread, and most of them consistently rate Mesmer, scourge and FB clearly ahead of everything else. There is a thread with 22 pages regarding Mesmer performance. That was imaginary, right?

We may disagree wither holo, Druid or SB are out performing, but there is no question that the balance since PoF has been kitten and Anet is so kitten slow to fix anything.

What exactly are you trying to argue? you are clearly grasping at straws to make a point but you haven't made that point clear yet.

Did it bug you that you accidentally proved my point? Because that's how it's coming across.

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@mortrialus.3062 said:

@alez.2137 said:A: MesmerB: Power specs with high mobilityC: Condi specs with high mobilityD : Bunkers Firebrand / DruidE: Rest of power specsF: Rest of condi specs

Scourge is a condi spec with terrible mobility. It ain't anywhere near bottom tier.

Well, thats your opinion, I put lower because:
  • it has no mobility.
  • almost no cc, just 2 1,25s and with horn 1 2s.
  • while is true it has aoe that at the end of the match can be a respectable dmg quantity, in 1v1 is not specially high, to do moderate dmg u need to use almost all cds.
  • it cannot do 1v2, not to talk 1v3 that other professions can (I dont mean they win 1v3, but can use the enviroment and their inmunity mechanism to troll a group of 2, 3 players and stay alive for much, much longer than a necro would).
  • it does not heal as expected, I've seen matches in which a warrior (that use demoliser amulet = no healing stat) does more (self) healing than the necro with sage.
  • it has barriers but no inmunity
  • it cannot carry
  • ...

If you're trying to play a Scourge like a Mesmer or Spellbreaker, yeah you're going to have a bad time. But Scourge is straight up the single best team fighter in the entire game. What it does is win 2v2s, 3v3s, and 4v4s. Hard. It absolutely has carry potential when it wins every team fight the entire match. Scourge being F tier is pure goofballery.

Only in shadefire, only when having a fb near, and only when the other team does not focus. If it is the focus, it will die very fast due to no inmunity just a ~35k hp punchbag. Ofc if you leave it unfocused it start to spread AoE and if in blood fast ressing and most probably wins the fight .

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@alez.2137 said:

@alez.2137 said:A: MesmerB: Power specs with high mobilityC: Condi specs with high mobilityD : Bunkers Firebrand / DruidE: Rest of power specsF: Rest of condi specs

Scourge is a condi spec with terrible mobility. It ain't anywhere near bottom tier.

Well, thats your opinion, I put lower because:
  • it has no mobility.
  • almost no cc, just 2 1,25s and with horn 1 2s.
  • while is true it has aoe that at the end of the match can be a respectable dmg quantity, in 1v1 is not specially high, to do moderate dmg u need to use almost all cds.
  • it cannot do 1v2, not to talk 1v3 that other professions can (I dont mean they win 1v3, but can use the enviroment and their inmunity mechanism to troll a group of 2, 3 players and stay alive for much, much longer than a necro would).
  • it does not heal as expected, I've seen matches in which a warrior (that use demoliser amulet = no healing stat) does more (self) healing than the necro with sage.
  • it has barriers but no inmunity
  • it cannot carry
  • ...

If you're trying to play a Scourge like a Mesmer or Spellbreaker, yeah you're going to have a bad time. But Scourge is straight up the single best team fighter in the entire game. What it does is win 2v2s, 3v3s, and 4v4s. Hard. It absolutely has carry potential when it wins every team fight the entire match. Scourge being F tier is pure goofballery.

Only in shadefire, only when having a fb near, and only when the other team does not focus. If it is the focus, it will die very fast due to no inmunity just a ~35k hp punchbag. Ofc if you leave it unfocused it start to spread AoE and if in blood fast ressing and most probably wins the fight .

Yeah, Scourge needs a Firebrand to work it's magic at top effectiveness, but there's no shortage of Scourge Mains in the top 50 of EU and NA that don't have the luxury of always having a Firebrand babysitting them in all their games. Nowhere near F tier.

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Jeff here extremely bored and can't sleep so I thought I'd write a class tier list from a teambased environment and also a Ranked based environment.Competetive play:S Tier(mandatory play)Fb(support)Chrono(prenerf)Thief(s/d core)Mirage(condi)A tierHolo (tools and inv)WarriorScourgeB tierWeaverDruidInvo revPower mirage.C tierSoulbeastRanked queS tierBlood scourgeMirageHolosmithChronoA tierFbReaper(power and condi)B tierRevSoulbeastWeaver

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