kathy.8291 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 When you thought Condi was the meta before the expansion, it seems the only thing to play is CONDI CONDI CONDI. No more skills or power just have a guild full of condi and your dead . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy.8291 Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Bring Power back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atticus.5284 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 yeah..i was disappointed that the new elites/utilities are pretty much just more condi. We need more cowbell - not more condi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy.8291 Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 yeah its getting ridiculous with the way WvW is now. Really miss the good old days when you actually had to use skills and coordination with your guild to produce Power. That front line power train was awesome. It has gotten worse and its a shame because alot of people are ready to quit WvW because of this. Anet really has to do something about this condi in WvW. It is not the same :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pchincha.6089 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 It really is unfortunate it isn't a balance of the two, power and condi, in a guild comp, but right now it can't be if you want to win. With the expansion it is now the case that if you step in condi for even half a second you can pop retaliation, condi clear, everything, and still die. Before you had to run it as the damage in your guild, and were stuck to a rigid comp to counter it. As it is now the problem seems to be magnified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edthunderstorm.1305 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Condi Damage is out of control in WvW right now. There are too many to deal with and fights tend to be whoever bombs first wins in large battles. Power, Toughness, Vitality; they are all meaningless in the face of 20k-30k of condi in 1 second. It is not that I am opposed to using condi but it needs some restraint. Limit the number of individual sources that can affect a character. Getting 8 different condis from 10-20 sources and all of them damage you? Nothing human can react in time before you are downed and even when you manage to clear there is no grace period after the clear before it is all reapplied. That needs to be fixed because it is definitely broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy.8291 Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 absolutely agree . Condi is out of control. there is no more power and your correct its who can throw the 1st condi bomb. I really hope they do something about that and try to balance it out with Power. I dont doubt that WvW dies after this if it is not Fixed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I thought it had been definitly proven this past year that Anet absolutely loves condi and intentionally keep it OP in WvW.Why should they nerf it now? They never even nerfed deathly chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Substance E.4852 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 The optimal strategy right now is to just run condi bombs with a zerg large enough to lag out the map. You're opponent wont be able to get off cleanses in a timely manner and you can just melt people.Any kind of lord room fight with enough people to trigger skill lag is a complete nightmare to deal with.This is almost as bad as the old culling + confusion bullshit from way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blodeuyn.2751 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I'd love to run a new class from PoF but find myself having to switch back to Tempest constantly to deal with the kitten condi. In my opinion PoF is a fail all around and I'm just about done with the skilless condi humping matches week after week. Actually, I am done. I too miss actual skill in wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy.8291 Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Lets just hope Anet reads this and the poll and something can be done before people stop playing in WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistsim.2748 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 wvw meta was probably at its peak before HoT. Bring back the power meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
len.7809 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 The current meta isBring Spellbreakers to remove boonsSpam conditions with scourge, reapers, firebrands. The most cancerous wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guildabd.6529 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Spellbreaker elite should give condi immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuzt.7894 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I can't even believe we're back to Pirate Ship and they thought an xpac focus on Condi's would be a good thing. I'm seriously in disbelief at the ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethanon Stormrage.6721 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Just separate wvw from pve and tone down the Condi damage. Shouldn't be that difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Conditions arent the problem, the issue is that classes are designed to pve spam dps race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casantis.3106 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 If you are into wvw you are into pve haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulzi.8273 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 You have to admit that condi is the best thing that happened for the blob. Spamming condi is the best way to get credit for kills. Heck look at the meta reaper. You don't even have to an an opponent targetted. Just spam shouts/aoes and hope it hits. Its replaced the standard '1-1-1-1-1' spammers. now the casuals are ecstatic they can actually spam more than one key now, so they must be getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They've also systematically removed a lot of the good spiking power builds or nerfed them while constantly bumping power-based mitigation. There's very little incentive to bother.I mean look at signet thief which defined the notion of bursting priority targets in GvG. Its damage got dropped by almost 35% in one patch recently (the only thing it could do) during ANet's pathetic attempt to "buff" signets because they were downright terrible.People need to stop being surprised. The profession team is failing this game and has been since before even HoT launched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawsm.5398 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 The Red Tags, as in the Devs, really need to prick up their ears.There are no arguments for condi that justifies it being at it's current level. It's profuse, unavoidable, and ultimately uncleanse-able due to the lack of a grace period (an excellent point edthunderstorm made). It is (or for many people already has) destroying the fun of small scale fights, G vs G fights, and zerg vs zergs fights, because the ONLY thing that matters, is who gets their condi out there first. A relative lot of hoopla was made out of the consumable changes, and how it was part of an attempt to bring condition damage in line. Guess what? You Have FAILED. Oh sure, condi builds might not do as much damage as they would have with the old style consumables, but you also forced power builds to lose what toughness/vitality they'd managed to take or otherwise do less damage as well. Meanwhile, armor sets that reward being tanky condi-spewers remain in WvW, and there is ZERO way for more skill-based power builds to be as damaging and durable at the same time.And now, with the advent of PoF, you've dumped even more skill-less condi BS into the mode. -_-Seriously, genuinely, what is wrong with you folks (Meaning Devs)? This situation, as so many others have repeatedly pointed out so eloquently, is horrifically broken. It leaves one to feel as if you really DON'T care about what your community of players for this mode has been telling you; telling you for ages now, at this point. WvW balance needs a hard, ugly divorce from the balance of various PvE modes, and in the mix condition damaged needs to be seriously re-tooled.The lot of you, in too many situations, have failed the WvW mode. And worse, you have: Failed. To Listen. To Your Customers. Repeatedly. Because there are a lot of people around who aren't free to play, we paid to play.You will lose players. You already are losing players. And, your number of paying customers will continue to shrink. And, bluntly, when you have no one left to play this mode, and you have nothing for gamers to do after your PvE has played out... you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Shrugs-One more meaningless voice that's just about done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinko.2076 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 It's lack of effort. The reason Condi has become king is over the last few years, Anet has paid attention to making pve somewhat balanced. To do this they took the easiest path, conditions. It's very easy to tune DPS using condies instead of power, so anet took the path of least resistance.The thing is, they could also buff power or buff cleanses or buff the structure of cleanse priority (<-- PLEASE ANET MAKE CONDI CLEANSES MAKE SENSE) without impacting their pve baby. They just haven't given it the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodiak.3281 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I liked how GW1 handled condi. You had a maximum degen. Once that was reached, regardless of how you got there, you wouldn't take increased damage over time. That's what Condi was. Damage over time. They keep trying to add stop-gap measures like a few abilities here and there that reduce Condi damage but it's just not enough with how bursty and damaging Condis are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibas.8693 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @Kodiak.3281 said:I liked how GW1 handled condi. You had a maximum degen. Once that was reached, regardless of how you got there, you wouldn't take increased damage over time. That's what Condi was. Damage over time. They keep trying to add stop-gap measures like a few abilities here and there that reduce Condi damage but it's just not enough with how bursty and damaging Condis are right now.I like that idea. You could use could use a percentage of the base health as damage limit per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Substance E.4852 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @mistsim.2748 said:wvw meta was probably at its peak before HoT. Bring back the power meta. Wish we could turn back time, to the good old daysWhen our momma HAMMER STUN!'ed us to sleep but now we're burned out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.