Sviel.7493 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Communication is essential and third party programs can't fully replace Map chat. Said accounts already have access to Team chat so there can't be a concern about spammers or anything in WvW. There are also plenty of other P2W elements (warclaw, gliding, shield gens, elite specs, etc.) to entice them to open their wallets.I'm guessing this was a decision made to prevent spammers in PvE, which makes sense. However, WvW needs an exception ASAP. It's hard enough getting new players acclimated without having to wait for them to whisper you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 if you can speak in team, then there is no problem. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I do see some problems with only being able to talk in teamchat, but those are just minor problems for new ppl compared to other, more pressing issues.Especially since you can turn on an option that shows on which map the person writing in teamchat is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviel.7493 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's way too much clutter to have 4 maps worth of F2P players making call-outs in Team chat. Even when you can see what map they're on, it is a completely unnecessary hindrance.Nothing is gained from blocking Map chat in WvW. It's just pointless inconvenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 It’s not a WvW item though. I would bring this to the general discussion forum.Team chat doesn’t apply to PvE. It is only applicable to sPvP and WvW.More than likely the risk Anet identified was map chat in PvE (this why it’s on their radar.)I would imagine the addition of Map chat couldn’t be divided to just WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversiontwo.7501 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 F2P accounts in WvW has always been a double-edged sword. On one hand the mode needs players, on the other hand the mode has limits to the players it can accept and other easily exploitable systems. It is obviously possible to get up to shenanigans on a paid alt account where you don't risk ingame assets and time but at least you risk losing something then. FP2 accounts can really ruin the WvW mode in many ways and the only reason it has been free of most kinds of broadly impacting buggery so far is that there isn't much to gain from it. Even the dark forces do not care, heh.The little that can be gained from it though, like feckin' with tactivators, hacking the game physics or spying (possibly not apart or apart of the game) are unsurprisingly mostly done on free accounts. I can honestly say that I don't think the rewards outweigh the risks when it comes to F2P in WvW in general. I would find other ways to populate it and only stare down the F2P route again if there has been a major overhaul and full repurposing that makes the mode far less vulnurable overall. A kind of overhaul the mode is never likely to see in this game.It is very doubtful that free accounts are seen as important for (re-)populating the mode considering how low priority fixing big sinking leaks in the mode has had so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviel.7493 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 @subversiontwo.7501F2P accounts are already in WvW, though. I would rather see them restricted from using tactivators than from using map chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subversiontwo.7501 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Well, the only reason they can't use map chat is likely because Anet has estimated that it is one of the best ways to poke at free players to make them pay. It is likely supposed to be inconvenient and the perspective does not involve what is useful to the game mode. It's like the Warclaw but even more purposeful.B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaralyna.3104 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I would say no to this. F2P players can use party/squad/team/guild chat no problem. They can even pm a mentor tag (not sure if they can also pm commander tags) and they can use say chat (with restrictions). I have seen wvw groups I joined always use either TS or Discord as well. And I don't think I ever used a chat in wvw even as a paid player. If you can follow the chat its enough (there is no need to talk back most of the time).If you open up restrictions we will see goldsellers and all that bad stuff in wvw maps spamming (and leading you off any usefull map chat) and I am actually happy this game is one of the few without any of that due to the restrictions we have.If you don't want restrictions and want the Warclaw/gliding etc then support the game for all the game content they have created like most of us did. If you want to remain f2p then live with it and make it work for yourself (we have played without mounts and gliding and elite specs in this mode in past, just don't expect to keep up with the speed of the group as players with mount and gliding will not wait for players without).P.s According wiki WvW is a combination Player versus Player/Player versus Environment game mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 So much for the thread you created in the other forum.. Poof: gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Aaralyna.3104 said:I would say no to this. F2P players can use party/squad/team/guild chat no problem.If you open up restrictions we will see goldsellers and all that bad stuff in wvw maps spamming (and leading you off any usefull map chat) and I am actually happy this game is one of the few without any of that due to the restrictions we have.Because team chat actually hits 5 maps, gold sellers would already be able to spam the WvW maps. Map chat would actually be less in the WvW environment. That isn’t a valid concern for WvW.You noted in what I clipped off that you don’t use WvW chat. If you had, you would understand how chat works in WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviel.7493 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Strider Pj.2193 said:So much for the thread you created in the other forum.. Poof: gone.In an odd way, it's nice to know someone's watching over me...I guess? Still, thanks for the tip--that's probably the proper place for this thread.@Aaralyna.3104If we don't see gold sellers in Team chat, why would we see them in map chat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Frog.9274 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 clearly the ban is to stop gold selling spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dami.5046 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 and people making numerous accounts and trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astral Projections.7320 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just how badly do you want to see unstoppable gold selling spam? Gold sellers can make new f2p accounts faster than they can be banned and can cycle through multiple accounts as needed in order to spam map wide gold selling offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviel.7493 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Black Frog.9274@Dami.5046@Astral Projections.7320 There are no restrictions on using Team chat, which reaches across all 4 maps, yet there's no problem with gold sellers there. Likewise, if someone intends to troll, they will have more success in Team chat. There's no reason to allow Team chat but to restrict Map chat in WvW.And since we've seen that letting F2P players into Team chat hasn't caused mass issues, there's no need to belatedly ban them from that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoSundown.5419 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I don't see the point of allowing team chat while blocking map chat. In PvE, the inconvenience is really only to the free account. In WvW, inconvenience is shared by everyone.This is probably another of the many artifacts of the way ANet put things together in the game. By that I mean something like (and this is me guessing, not an assertion), "Map chat is blocked on free accounts, and shares the same mechanics no matter the map. Revising the block to be mode-specific is more difficult than it might be with different engine construction. Team chat is not in PvE, so was not blocked, just as Say was not." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Sviel.7493 said:@Black Frog.9274@Dami.5046@Astral Projections.7320 There are no restrictions on using Team chat, which reaches across all 4 maps, yet there's no problem with gold sellers there. Likewise, if someone intends to troll, they will have more success in Team chat. There's no reason to allow Team chat but to restrict Map chat in WvW.And since we've seen that letting F2P players into Team chat hasn't caused mass issues, there's no need to belatedly ban them from that either.Clearly they don’t play WvW.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dami.5046 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Strider Pj.2193 said:@Sviel.7493 said:@Black Frog.9274@Dami.5046@Astral Projections.7320 There are no restrictions on using Team chat, which reaches across all 4 maps, yet there's no problem with gold sellers there. Likewise, if someone intends to troll, they will have more success in Team chat. There's no reason to allow Team chat but to restrict Map chat in WvW.And since we've seen that letting F2P players into Team chat hasn't caused mass issues, there's no need to belatedly ban them from that either.Clearly they don’t play WvW....wanna bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertgippy.1302 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I'm sure that it is also used to cut down the spam in map chat. Who wants chat to be filled with nonsense, like world of warcraft, the President, on and on and on. Map chat can get toxic as it is, and I've blocked many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayakaru.6583 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 In my honest opinion, f2p is only to try out the game. If you want to actively participate, buu and support the game.If you don't pay a dime, you don't really have any grounds to make demands of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I honestly do not see why. Team chat should be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sviel.7493 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Ashen.2907 On an active night (weekends, occasional weekdays), callouts in Map chat can happen non-stop. This is especially true if the map is being maintained by a network of roamers rather than a tag. If F2P players are to be helpful in this way, they would have to fill team chat to the point where it would no longer be useful for it's main purpose of cross-map reinforcement calls.But even before we get into all that, what does anyone gain from blocking F2P access to Map chat? Even if you don't personally feel harmed by it, why is it happening?@IndigoSundown.5419 said:I don't see the point of allowing team chat while blocking map chat. In PvE, the inconvenience is really only to the free account. In WvW, inconvenience is shared by everyone.That sums it up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Frog.9274 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I'm not sure why people don't seem to understand what is relatively obvious: in order to block map chat spam in PvE, all map chat is blocked. If they could differentiate, they probably would. So, they probably can't. You can always group up and use squad/party comms (i think) and then there is team chat. If you want it that bad, buy PoF and get HoT and map chat. That's pretty much all there is to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 @Sviel.7493 said:@Ashen.2907 On an active night (weekends, occasional weekdays), callouts in Map chat can happen non-stop. This is especially true if the map is being maintained by a network of roamers rather than a tag. If F2P players are to be helpful in this way, they would have to fill team chat to the point where it would no longer be useful for it's main purpose of cross-map reinforcement calls.But even before we get into all that, what does anyone gain from blocking F2P access to Map chat? Even if you don't personally feel harmed by it, why is it happening?@IndigoSundown.5419 said:I don't see the point of allowing team chat while blocking map chat. In PvE, the inconvenience is really only to the free account. In WvW, inconvenience is shared by everyone.That sums it up perfectly.Admittedly an assumption, but I have been under the impression that map chat is the same regardless of game mode. So the decision to limit access in pve (for obvious reasons) impacts wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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