Axl.8924 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:Seems like Mesmer and Warrior are pretty close. I guess that was expected.Its only natural, because chrono core and mirage getting hit repeatedly.Sooner or later it would be in the state it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen.1327 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 How is mesmer underperforming? Its on #1 spot atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Hrm, the way this poll is labeled, was probably a strong way to invite sarcastic response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:Hrm, the way this poll is labeled, was probably a strong way to invite sarcastic response.Just copied & pasted this thread. Also check my message if you haven't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Koen.1327 said:How is mesmer underperforming? Its on #1 spot atmB> @Koen.1327 said:How is mesmer underperforming? Its on #1 spot atmBecause chrono and core got nuked by multiple nerfs man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veryl.1923 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I voted Ranger since I main my very stubborn main soulbeast who chooses ferocity over nothing wielding a greatsword.I don't know if my timings for evading attacks are badly time but I have a hard time surviving in 2v2 PvP.A little more protection how-so-ever would be very neato.Also I'd like to see the skill "Sick'em" to be shared after buffing it at your beast.That would be fair enough in a battle where survival is key-moment for a glassbomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Koen.1327 said:How is mesmer underperforming? Its on #1 spot atmDon't worry, Condi Mirage will probably win mAT so you will have more fake proofs that mirage is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:@Koen.1327 said:How is mesmer underperforming? Its on #1 spot atmDon't worry, Condi Mirage will probably win mAT so you will have more fake proofs that mirage is OP.Mesmer being #1 or winning in MAT doesn't mean its automatically op but I will say if those things happen it wouldn't help out all these mesmer/mirage is weak threads lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Psycoprophet.8107 said:Mesmer being #1 or winning in MAT doesn't mean its automatically op but I will say if those things happen it wouldn't help out all these mesmer/mirage is weak threads lolBuff renegade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgessj.4198 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Lets clarify something to the mesmer voters, the question IS NOT if mesmer underperforms in comparison to the old one that used to deal a 24k 1shot coming from stealth. now that we got that out of the way mesmer is perfectly balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 @georgessj.4198 said:Lets clarify something to the mesmer voters, the question IS NOT if mesmer underperforms in comparison to the old one that used to deal a 24k 1shot coming from stealth. now that we got that out of the way mesmer is perfectly balanced.Sword2 does less damage than it takes back from retal, nerf plsMath =>Retal vs 8 hits on 2000 power: 233x8= 1864Blurred Frenzy on marauder amulet vs Light Armor 0 toughness amu full crit (best case): 2000x1.024x922.5x1.83/1920 =~1800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:@georgessj.4198 said:Lets clarify something to the mesmer voters, the question IS NOT if mesmer underperforms in comparison to the old one that used to deal a 24k 1shot coming from stealth. now that we got that out of the way mesmer is perfectly balanced.Sword2 does less damage than it takes back from retal, nerf plsMath =>Retal vs 8 hits on 1000 power: 183x8= 1464Blurred Frenzy on marauder amulet vs Light Armor 0 toughness amu full crit: 1000x1.024x922.5x1.83/1920 =~900I mean, yeah. Its a multi-hit attack. Most multi-hit attacks get more damage from retal than they deal (Though your numbers are off, you have a minimum of 2000 power with Marauders Amulet). Thats kinda the point of Retal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 @UNOwen.7132 said:(Though your numbers are off, you have a minimum of 2000 power with Marauders Amulet)Forgot baseline power, it'll just be ~1800 which is almost equal to what retal does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:@UNOwen.7132 said:(Though your numbers are off, you have a minimum of 2000 power with Marauders Amulet)Forgot baseline power, it'll just be ~1800 which is only 400 more against a light armor class.Well, thats not including rune. Its also forgetting any other damage amplifiers. But yes, as I said, multi-hit attacks struggle vs retal, thats the point of retal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 @UNOwen.7132 said:Well, thats not including rune. Its also forgetting any other damage amplifiers. But yes, as I said, multi-hit attacks struggle vs retal, thats the point of retal.I didn't include any of these for retal as well, also 8 crit in a row with only 1000 precision is not really what happens. These numbers are just for a baseline comparsion.Edit: I forgot to add 1000 extra power to retal. It hits nearly the same as BF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @"georgessj.4198" said:Lets clarify something to the mesmer voters, the question IS NOT if mesmer underperforms in comparison to the old one that used to deal a 24k 1shot coming from stealth. now that we got that out of the way mesmer is perfectly balanced.https://imgur.com/gallery/ueY2AvC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 @Arheundel.6451 said:@"apharma.3741" said:The state of mesmer at the moment is an absolute mess, it really needs some trait reworks and optimising so that it's got clear purposes and uses without being a budget version of something else or an overpowered inescapable juggernaut of low skill clutter spam.Maybe mesmer players should have advocated for the removal of the problematic traits like IH and chronophantasm...instead mesmers were all "if you nerf those I quit"...well anet went and nerfed all around it..you reap what you sowWeird because quite a lot of mesmer players actually said that the problem is mirage cloak being busted in it's concept, something even you seem to miss. Weird huh.Also I didn't sow those seeds, go find me a post where I say "if you nerf those I quit", I dare you to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArlAlt.1630 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Voted Thief, tho it could've just as easily been Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrauls.6519 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Dragonhunter needs help. ANET save it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotte in space.2158 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 This poll doesnt reflect reality, players voted just biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Play.6104 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 @apharma.3741 said:an overpowered inescapable juggernaut of low skill clutter spam.I thought that was the definition of Mesmer game play. They are GW2's version of the MM necro win with AI. Except even in GW1 they were smart enough make the AI spec not viable in PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeteCommander.4937 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Their next step should be to nerf GW1's mesmer, because there's no place to nerf in gw2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 @hotte in space.2158 said:This poll doesnt reflect reality, players voted just biased. Same goes for the other poll. No can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 @hotte in space.2158 said:This poll doesnt reflect reality, players voted just biased. I voted for a good reason Chrono has issues as well as core and I was told Chrono isn't even viable for SPVPIF you have an entire elite spec not viable, i-d say that constitutes being broken and needs to be fixed.I heard core wasn't really all that viable meaning needs an overhaul too mirage seems competitive.If ranger has issues I will defend it too and call for buffs in needed places.Also what better elite than the one with phantom spam needing an overhaul? Chrono like scourge has some broken functions that are either op or underpowered.I vote based on the overall performance of a class.Also, people hate fighting mesmers more than other classes, and for a reason: They got annoying things about them to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitarskee.5738 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Warrior. It used to be decent, now it hits like a wet noodle especially in this amazing after-patch meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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